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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: Pinetree on Sunday 30 November 08 18:52 GMT (UK)
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I saw a beautiful bible in a charity shop this weekend and thought I would post the details here in case it is of any interest,
It was given to Mark BATE on his 21st birthday in 1890 by his parents William and Mary Louisa.
A quick search suggests his parents may have been William BATE master mariner and his wife Mary Louisa nee DAVIES. The family were from Padstow although the bible is now in the West Midlands.
Pinetree
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Hi just looking at GenesReunited
there is a researcher Peter (3024447) who has a Mark Padstow b 1870 and lots othrs from that area
Wondering if anyone has current membership that could contact them, what a wonderful item to have saved ;D (sorry I don't)
Be lovely to see it back with some family
Bye
Althea
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Althea,
It would be wonderful to think the bible could go back to the family wouldn't it?
I found a Mark BATE in 1901 that may be the right one, he was on board ship so not with his family but he was married so there may be descendants out there somewhere.
I didn't actually buy the bible as it was quite expensive but would happily pass the details on to anyone who was interested.
Pinetree
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Hi,
Anybody with an interest may like to know that the Padstow records list
Mark BATE born 22 Dec 1869 and baptised 16 Jan 1870 Padstow parents William and Mary Louisa. - Father Master Mariner of Padstow
Mark did marry.
1891 he is at sea - His wife Anna and Daughter Muriel are in Padstow with her sister Mary POPE Don't see the marriage
Cheers Kris :D
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1901 his wife now appears to be Ellen who is in Padstow with her parents William and Charlotte Stribley and her daughters Nellie and Evelyn (No other information)
RG13/2204 Folio 14 Page 20
The marriage of
Mark BATE = Ellen STRIBLEY Mar 1895 Newport M 11a 222
Hope someone connects
Cheers Kris :D
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However Anna and Muriel are also in Padstow (Master Mariners Wife)
RG13 Piece 2204 Folio 37 Page 25
Perhaps there are 2 Mark BATE in Padstow :-\ The 1891 entry for Mark - his age appears to be 32
Muriels father is a Master Mariner Nellie and Evelyns father is a "Pay Officer" "Warrent Officer" RN
More work required :-\
Kris :D
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Yes there is more than one Mark Bate :P
Regards,
Susan in Wadebridge
Standing in for Padstow OPC
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Hi Susan,
I have been unable to find a second one apart from one born a lot earlier. (Was a seaman, but wasn't married to either of these lasses)
1861 none to fit
1871 1 to fit son of William and Mary Louisa,
1881 1 to fit son of William and Mary Louisa
1891 one age appears to be 32 onboard ship Crew Royal Navy occ Lg Sea (Married, b Padstow)
1901 one onboard ship aged 32 Royal Navy occ Boatswain (Married, b Pasdstow)
2 wives (2 families) in Padstow (Haven't found the marriage to Anna)
would expect for 2 families to be in the same parish there must be two Mark Bates but I don't see it. :-\
Would be interseted in how you explain it?
Cheers Kris :D
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I am working on it ;) and will let you know as soon as I have figured it out. I wish these men would make it a point to be home for the census!!
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For cornwall freebmd has 2 regos
Dec qtr 1869 Bodmin
March qtr 1870 St Columb
Bye
Althea
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There are certainly 2 Mark Bates.
Both are buried in Padstow. By burial one agrees with date of birth for the son William and Mary Louisa (Looks like he is Ellen's husband) the man entered in the bible Pinetree has seen
- the second Mark BATE (presume Anna's husband - by death was born about 1852)
1861 we have one to fit this death age (age 8 b St Isaac son of Samuel and Mary Ann)
Kris ;)
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I see the Anna Bate you mean with her daughter Murial and sister Mary Pope. These girls are the daughters of Henry Pope and Joanna Brenton married 06 Oct 1855 in Padstow. In 1891 they give their ages as Mary Pope25 and Anna Bate 27. HOWEVER in 1881 they appear with their parents as Mary Pope and Anna Bate and Anna is 25 and Mary is 20. Now Anna is born in 1856 so she is very creative with her age ::) I eventually found a marriage for her in June Quarter of 1879 to Mark Bate in Cardiff. I believe him to be Mark Bate born 1853 in St Endellion to Samuel Bate and Mary Ann French married in Mar Q of 1846. So that probably solves that little mystery and all because she lied about her age!!
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Further to my last. I have the port Isaac Mark dead in 1911 in the area but he is not to be found between 1861 and 1901! Anna and Muriel are missing too and I have no deaths for them. I wonder where they were??
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Yes,
I found the marriage too Susan and the 81. All fitted when I realised they were older than I had initially expected. (Both of them if he is 32 in 1891)
Anyway re the bible - This man certainly had two daughters so well may be descendants out there. Evelyn had at least 1 child ;D
Cheers Kris :D
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That might be him aged 32 in 91 Susan - He is married, though b Padstow - the other one wasn't married by then. (whichever one this is looks like he is lying) ::)
Being seamen they keep vanishing and reappearing.
1901 can be explained I think
A Mark BATE aged 49 is listed aboard the "Rhodesia" arriving Sydney 29 Apr 1901. OriginI think is Padstow - Port of Departure Pt Elizabeth (South Africa)
Both Mark's, Ellen and Anna were all buried in Padstow (Burial for Anna in agreement with a 1856 birth) ;)
Cheers Kris :D
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Yes I agree and have entered him as such in both cases. Maybe his age was wrong because he was still a leading seaman and not higher vbg. Should be possible to get their Naval records.
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WOW - thank you all for you investigations into this one.
Its fascinating to find out more about the owner of the Bible. Fingers crossed that someone from the family finds this thread ;)
Pinetree
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Hi Pinetree,
Anything you want on Cornwall can usually be found at the Cornwall OPC site ;) at http://cornwall-opc.org/index.htm We are a bunch of volunteers based all over the world and we do this because we love detection work in Genealogy ;D
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Here on RootsChat we have thousands of members all over the world, with all sorts of resources and knowledge, and what we all love best is a really good hunt ;)
Kris ;D
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:D All the info fits to researchers at GenesReunited, the PETER mentioned previously who has BATE's at Padstow and Port Isaac and and ELINOR that has the Pope family...here's hoping they are still researching
Bye
Althea 8)
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My grandfather was Mark Bate's elder brother (he was one year older) and was called William Samuel Thomas Bate. There was also a younger brother (Tom) who was lost overboard on his father's vessel aged about 5.
The other Mark Bate in this correspondence was the son of Mark Bate and also lived in Padstow and was married to Mildred Prior of Padstow. They had no children.
There were 2 daughters from Mark Bate senior, Evelyn (mentioned above) and Nellie. Evelyn was unmarried and Nellie had one daughter (called Jenny) that we know of. When Evelyn died we inherited some of Mark Bate's sea chests.
It was mentioned above that he served on a ship called Rhodesia, it might be of interest to note that he named his house Rhodesia when he returned.
Mark Bate senior was the son of William Bate who was born c1846 in Port Isaac who in turn was the son of Samuel Bate, also of Port Isaac.
We were originally looking for records of William Samuel Thomas Bate, who got a DSM serving in the Boer War with the Naval Brigade. Can anyone tell me where to look to get further details of this?
Thank you.
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Try here Bushy
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceFor/Veterans/Medals/DistinguishedServiceCross.htm or here http://www.stephen-stratford.co.uk/gallantry.htm
The latter may be able to help you further if you email him. I got these by typing DSM into Google and there are others.
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Thank you Sottietoo
These sites tell me that the DSM only started being issued in 1914, and we had assumed that he received the medal in the Boer War (1900), so I will look further afield now.
I can't reply to your PM yet as I have just joined this forum, but we live in Yorkshire these days.
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No worries Bushy but I do have quite a bit on the Bates in my Parishes database if you want it. You can find me on the OPC pages as the OPC for St Merryn www.cornwall-opc.org/index.htm :)