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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: carol8353 on Sunday 30 November 08 17:58 GMT (UK)
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Here's a pic of an un-named rellie,could he have been in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders? If so, he's no longer un-named ;D
Thanks,
Carol
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Hi Carol
I believe the A & S H wore hose with two-tone checks in WW1 . These have three-coloured dicing. As he is wearing his WW1 medal ribbons the photograph was taken in the 1920s. Maybe they merged with another regiment or changed the dicing.
Is there a fourth ribbon before his three for WW1? This may be one for gallantry or a Queen South Africa medal from the Boer War. Do you have any idea of his year of birth?
Can you give the name of your Highlander so we can look up his WW1 medals.
Ken
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Hi Ken
Thanks for your reply.
This pic was taken from an album belonging to an elderly relative(Brown),it is full of(un-named people's) photos c WW1 era. We think the only Scottish connection is an Edward Stanford (who married into the Brown family),born 1871- he did indeed serve in South Africa. In fact he joined up in 1890 for 12 years and then again in 1914.
I have another pic of 3 chaps dressed in kilts,one of whom may also be him!
Carol
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Morning
I would date this photograph as pre-1914. I'm fairly sure it is of a colour sergeant in the A+SH's.
His medal ribbons appear to be (left to right) Long Service, Queens Sudan Medal (1896), Jubilee Medal (1903 - Scotland).
If he joined in 1890 this would place the photo between 1908 (Long service) and 1914.
He doesn't appear to have any overseas stripes on his right forearm - There is a dark line on the photo but I think it is too high up.
Hope this helps.
David
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Hi David
My first thought was a Queens Sudan medal, but the first cannot be a LSGC as that would be worn after the Sudan medal.
Overseas service stripes were not introduced until 1918. But given his DoB I agree it is probably pre WW1.
Carol...maybe you should email it to the AS & H regimental museum to get a date on the stocking tops, and confirmation of the regiment.
Ken
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I think the medal ribbon is upside down but I didn't like to say :-X medal ribbon should be black to right, yellow to left.
regards
David
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Carol :)
As David has already said, your soldier in the photo is a Colour Sergeant in the Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders. He is wearing the correct hose. Diced hose has to have three colours otherwise you would not get the proper pattern. His glengarry is very badly faded in the photo but you can just about make out the shape of his cap badge.
I'm not into the medal ribbons, but it would be good to see another photo.
Anne
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Hi Carol
Have you checked-out his MIC, he entered the war theatre as a Company Sergeant Major:
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Hi people ;D
Thanks for all your input- yes I had seen the medal card but have no idea what all the bits and bobs mean!
Anne,I am attaching another pic- 3 of them this time...again not sure who they are or even if one of them is Edward....but we suspect it is.
Regards
Carol
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Hi Carol
Thanks for posting another great picture of Argylls. The Sergeant Major on the left facing could be Edward, though he looks a bit tired and worn in the photo, compared to the first photo. The chap in the middle looks like he is the Drum Sergeant wearing a full plaid. Looks pre-WW1; someone should be able to tell you about the medals worn.
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Hi Carol
Thanks for posting another great picture of Argylls. The Sergeant Major on the left facing could be Edward, though he looks a bit tired and worn in the photo, compared to the first photo. The chap in the middle looks like he is the Drum Sergeant wearing a full plaid. Looks pre-WW1; someone should be able to tell you about the medals worn.
Do you reckon they are from different bns?
There are subtle differences betwixt all three...The chap in the middle could either be the Drummie or the Pipie...BUT his collar is a little different, and the collar dogs don't look like "normal" A&SH...I know Pipers badges are different...Also his cuffs are different...Could the middle one and the one on the right be from volunteer bns? There are also small differences in the cuff edging of the one on the far right...
The one in the middle has his sword in the manner of a Sgt (and above!...but not officer)
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Excellent pic BTW! ;D
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(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/Sojirs.jpg)
Haven't a clue about the photo, just thought I'd tidy it up a bit.
(Idle hands ..etc.)
Fergie
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Folks
what we are looking at is a mixture of drum and pipe major.
All three appear to be wearing No 1 Ceremonial dress - Sash and Sword .
Note the ribbons to the left of the kilt (as we look at it) - worn by senior NCO's and Officers. In all three they would have had a silk ribboned panel to their left of the kilt (out of view sadly). Black watch boxed pleated kilts and correct hose for A + SH.
Drum majors wore white and pipe majors wore black sporran straps.
This would make them left to right - Drum Major, Regimental Drum Major (4 Stripes plus crown right forearm) and Pipe major.
Hope this helps
David
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Do you reckon they are from different bns?
There are subtle differences betwixt all three...The chap in the middle could either be the Drummie or the Pipie...BUT his collar is a little different, and the collar dogs don't look like "normal" A&SH...I know Pipers badges are different...Also his cuffs are different...Could the middle one and the one on the right be from volunteer bns? There are also small differences in the cuff edging of the one on the far right...
The one in the middle has his sword in the manner of a Sgt (and above!...but not officer)
Hi
Had very bad flu with complications: Anyhow, had another look at the picture and am inclined to agree that they could be from different battalions, possibly Volunteer/Territorials that have come together for their annual camp. The regimental area covered a large tract of Scotland therefore it would not be surprising that different battalions had not been fully upgraded to the new dress regulations.
I know longer feel that any of them are bandsmen or pipers and drummers. They all appear to be Sergeant Majors. I thought perhaps the one in the middle might be the RSM, however, he is not wearing a silk sash. :-\
BTW - Pipe Majors and Pipers did not wear feather bonnets or badger sporrans. Neither did they wear the normal Argyll hose. :)
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Hi All,
They are all pre-war volunteers (Territorials) with the Argylls. Left to right:
Sergeant Major (now called the RSM); Quartermaster Sergeant (carrying a SSgt's Claymore); a commissioned officer. The centre chap is wearing Volunteer collar badges and a South African medal.
As Atom pointed out, none are in the Pipe Band, or are accoutred as such.
Aye
Tom McC
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Hi All,
They are all pre-war volunteers (Territorials) with the Argylls. Left to right:
Sergeant Major (now called the RSM); Quartermaster Sergeant (carrying a SSgt's Claymore); a commissioned officer. The centre chap is wearing Volunteer collar badges and a South African medal.
As Atom pointed out, none are in the Pipe Band, or are accoutred as such.
Aye
Tom McC
Thought there was something different...So my "different bns" guess was near to the mark!
Huzzah!! Getting better with the kilted ones!
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Great stuff Tom McC, you have sorted the ranking of the Argylls ... thanks very much. :-*
Scrim ... you certainly progressing with the 'kilted ones' .... steady on now! lol ::)
Anne
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Aiiiieeeeeee!!
These devils in skirts all look the same to me!
:D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Got this topic moving :D :D :D :D :D :D :) :) :) :) ;)
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Thanks to all of you for your comments and suggestions.
We now have a much better idea who some of these Scottish blokes are in this photo album. ;D
Will put a couple more pics up this week.......not Scots this time ;)
Carol
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Will put a couple more pics up this week.......not Scots this time ;)
Carol
[Awwwwwwwwwww Best Wishes for Christmas, anyway Carol :D
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Will put a couple more pics up this week.......not Scots this time ;)
Carol
[Awwwwwwwwwww Best Wishes for Christmas, anyway Carol :D
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Huzzah!!
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