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Am trying to find more information on Thomas Emanuel Cussen and Charlotte Ellen Jarvis who married in Kinsale (Cork) circa 1815. One definite child was Samuel Jarvis Cussen born circa 1819 who migrated to Australia around 1837. I have the names Thomas, Anne and Constance who could also be siblings but am not certain.
Am also trying to find confirmation that Samuel's wife (Jane Sullivan) was the daughter of Jeremiah Sullivan and Anne Alcock (born in Cork). Other possible siblings are Timothy and Jeremiah.
Was wondering if anyone is also researching these names, or perhaps someone can offer some suggestions for looking down certain avenues? :)
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HI minnie
Just trying to clear things up, now, Samules wife, was she boen Aus / Ireland ? Do you have a rough idea what state they settled in when they arrived in Aus ?
Daizi
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a possibility for Samuels death.
9063/1894
CUSSEN Samuel J
Father Thomas
Mother Charlotte
Reg. District Narrabri
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/howToSearch.htm
Leanne
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sorry, if I've left information out - this is my first ever post to this site. Samuel's wife (Jane Sullivan) was born in Cork Ireland (possibly Kinsale). Samuel and Jane were married in Maitland New South Wales in 1841. I am uncertain about when the 2 families (Cussen and Sullivan) came to AUstralia - (did they know each other already in Ireland or meet here?)
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Hi Minnie,....
Is all good, we were all new once,
Any way going on by what Ennael founbd on Samuels death
There is some births -
Thomas E Cussen parents Samuel and Jane born 1841
Patrick " same as above born 1848
Daizi
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more.................
Patrick died in COONAMBLE NSW in 1916
Thomas died GRANVILLE NSW in 1904
Patrick seems to have married a Catherine CORE in 1871 in COONABARABRAN NSW and
Thomas seems to have married Emily COLLER in Sydney in 1871
There is a Thomas E L CUSSENS marrying a Martha Dean in Mudgee in 1860 ( on the birth he was Thomas E ??)
?? There is a marriage of Samuel Cussen and Margaret BUCKLEY in 1868 in Mudgee NSW BUT i cant see a death for Jane ???
Daizi
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Hi,
?? There is a marriage of Samuel Cussen and Margaret BUCKLEY in 1868 in Mudgee NSW BUT i cant see a death for Jane [/i]
Here is a burial
Cussen, Margaret, nee buckley. Died 11 August 1888 aged 38.
wife of Samuel, mother...
Coonabarabran General Cemetery. There is a photo of the headstone.
http://cemindex.arkangles.com/cemeteries.php
Sue
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ausmfhc/
A search of this site will show you some possibilities.
It may be that the CONVICT shown on the listing for the region is yours.
SULLIVAN, Jeremiah.age 40. Ship. Earl St Vincent. Tried 1832. Assigned to W.C. Wentworth.
Samuel and Jane were married in Maitland
Just mentioning that the link is for the Maitland Hist Soc.
Sue
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Thank you all so very much for your quick replies! I'll get started on some of your leads, particularly the convict suggestion.. regrds Minnie ;D
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Hi Minnie
I am descended from Samuel Cussen who migrated to Australia. I have a fair bit of info on his descendants , but little on his parents. Would be happy to tell you what I know.
Marimac
PS This is my first post. :)
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Hi All
There is a marriage of Samuel Cussen and Margaret BUCKLEY in 1868 in Mudgee NSW DAIZI
Here is a birth to them
Birth
9340/1871 CUSSEN SAMUEL J father SAMUEL mother MARGARET at COONABARABRAN
This man voted in the 1903 federal election.
Name. Samuel CUSSEN.
Place of residence Denharah. Occ. Carpenter. He voted at Coonabarrabran.
Sue
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Hi Minnie,
I hope I am understanding correctly regarding Thomas & Charlotte.[Jarvis]
They married in Cork, but you have no evidence that they came here to Australia, only that their son Samuel did. Right ?
Now....
Samuel was born in Ireland in 1819 and came to Australia in 1837.
Samuel married Jane Sullivan daughter of Jeremiah Sullivan[??? convict??]
Samuel married Margaret Buckley.
Samuel died 1894 Samuel and Jane had Thomas E. and Patrick
Samuel and Margaret had Samuel J.
There is a newspaper item from The Sydney Gazette in March 1830.
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
It says in effect..
The undermmentioned Prisoners have absconded.......etc.
Any person harbouring or employing them... etc.
One of the names listed is
CUSSEN, Thomas. Morley [ship of arrival] Labouer, Dublin five feet five and a quarter, light brown eyes, dark bown hair ruddy complexion. From No. 8 Iron Gang.
Now, it is a long shot, but could he be your Thomas?
We have found nothing of Charlotte in Aust. so far. Perhaps Thomas came unwillingly and alone.
Another convict was EDWARD CUSSEN. who got his Ticket of Leave in 1842.
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
also shows....
A man by the name EDWARD CUSSEN married in Mudgee in 1854. Samuel and Margaret, also married at Mudgee. as did their son THOMAS
Sue
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I too am looking for Pictures of Samuel Jaris Cussen, where he was born ec. I do know that he died in Piliga, NSW at the age of 72, while visiting his daughter Charlotte. He himself lived in Coonabarabran..
I have much informatin on his 6 chilren and their descendants.
Perhaps you can help.
Colin Cussen
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Dear Minnie and all.
I am COLIN FRACIS CUSSEN and live in Brisbane.
The marriage of SAMUEL JARVIS CUSSEN and JANE SULLIVAN in 1841 at St John's Church, East Maitland produced SIX children:
1. Thomas Emanuel Jarvis Cussen, born 1842
2. Charlotte Ellen Cussen
3. Samuel Jarvis Cussen
4. Patrick Cussen
5. Jane Catherine Cussen
6. Anne Cussen
I have their dates of birth and places of birth, as well as many of their descendants. I have all of the descendants of Thomas Emanuel Jarvis Cussen.
I would love to correspond with anyone who answers this e-mail.
I also have a photo of Thomas Emanuel Cussen!
Colcus
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Good morning
Seems as though you have run out of steam! I haven't! Still waiting on replies about the descendants of Patrick (3rd son, 4th child) of Samuel and Jane (married in Maitland 1841). and of Jane Catherine (5th child, 2nd daughter).
My lineage is:
1. Samuel and Jane had 6 children - 1st was Thomas Emanuel Jarvis Cussen.
The rest I have listed in a previous e-mail.
2. Thomas married 1st time Martha DEAN and had one son
2nd time Sarah Jane BALL and had three children, John
Samuel, Josephine and Patrick
3. John Samuel married Jane WHITTET in Mackay 1891. They had 7 children,
youngest being Cecil Colin
4. Cecil Colin married Lilian Fanny THOMAS in Brisbane in 1930. They had 3
children, Colin Francis, James Joseph and Hazel Lilian
5. Colin Francis (self) married Deirdre Glenis GAULT in 1961. They had four
children, Paul, Philip, Catherine and Michael
6. Each of the four children is married. and there are children, only ONE
granddaughter!
I really am keen! Primarily because time is running out!!
Colin F. Cussen
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Hi colcus,
Seems as though you have run out of steam! I haven't! Still waiting on replies about the descendants of Patrick (3rd son, 4th child) of Samuel and Jane (married in Maitland 1841). and of Jane Catherine (5th child, 2nd daughter).
Not sure who you refer to as "running out of steam". It is an unusual way to request further information from Chatters if that is your meaning.
From whom are you "still waiting on replies...."?
Do you mean you are asking for guidance, research, ideas from this Forum community?
I have much informatin on his 6 chilren and their descendants.
Perhaps you can help.
Do you mean you DO have much or do you mean you do NOT have much?
It might be a good idea to start a new post under your own banner so that readers can clearly follow your request and help if possible.
Sue
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Hi,
Does anyone know if Jane Catherine Cussen married a John Frances Bolger? If so, does anyone know much about their descendants? I am attempting to track down John Frances Bolger.
Cheers,
David
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Hi David.
This marriage in NSW looks close.
In 1869 BOLGER John F to CUSSEN Jane M at Coonabarabran reg.2229
You can search here for descendants.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
I think the Catherine Jane you refer to above was John BOLGER's daughter,not wife.
BIRTH...
In 1875 BOLGER Catherine Jane father John Francis mother Jane at Coonabaarabran reg 10176
Sue
ADDING
Wonder if John F. SNR. died relatively young..
Death
1878 BOLGER John F age 35 years died at Coonabaarabran registered Coonabarabran no. 5312
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Possible remarriage for Jane BOLGER after the death of John F.
In 1881 COMRIE Alexander to BOLGER Jane at Coonabarabran reg. 5121
Sue
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Thank you for the marvellous lead. It will keep me busy for hours!
Cheers,
David
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Hi
You are probably well away with the NSW BDM hunting now, but I wondered what you thought of these entries.
Marriage
IN 1909 RADFORD Peter to BOLGER Catherine J at Paddington reg. 5652
Death
IN 1919 RADFORD Catherine J. father John F mother Katherine J at Narrabri reg. 17458
(mother's a bit wrong, but the rest is worthy of consideration)
Sue
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Hi David
I was given this information years ago -
Jane Catherine married 1. John Francis Bolger - children -Catherine Jane and John Francis
married 2. Alexander Cormie.
Catherine Jane 1875-1919 died Wee Waa
John Francis 1878-1939 died Brisbane (Toowong Cemetery)
I was given this info by a descendant of Catherine Jane
Marimac :)
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John Francis 1878-1939 died Brisbane (Toowong Cemetery MARIMAC
Here is the burial information for JOHN FRANCIS BOLGER jnr.
BOLGER , JOHN FRANCIS Toowong Cemetery on 5/1/1939. aged 61. 7A Sect. 223 Gv 15
Sue
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Hi,
When you use the other/correct?? spelling CORMIE (given by MARIMA) in the BDM NSW search index, a number of births and other events come up for the couple and their offspring.
Amazing how much difference a misprint can make.
It is definitely COMRIE on the marriage.
Sue
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There is a bit of inconsistency in the death records for John Francis Bolger
Burial records states he was buried 5 Jan 1939 aged 61 years.
MI lists
BOGLER John F died 4 Feb 1939 aged 62 years "Our brother. Erected by his sisters & brothers in N.S.W."
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi,
Now since I started looking at the records today, this has been niggling at me so I will post it for others to give their opinion.
Here is a marriage from NSW records
In 1889 DOYLE Joseph to BOLGER Catherine J. at Ashfield reg. 2133
Here is abirth
In 1889 DOYLE Frederick C father Joseph mother Catherine J at Petersham reg 6510
Here is a divorce.
Reg no. 5923.Year 1907 Petitioner DOYLE Catherine DOYLE, Joseph Frederick.
It is possible there was a previous marriage for very young Catherine I think.
She married under her maiden name for the second time if that is the case ???
Sue
Adding .The son, Frederick Colin Doyle appears to have died in 1961.
Adding also. There is I have discovered, another Catherine J. Bolger on the records in NSW and the above events are very likely hers , not the Catherine we are looking at.
Ah Well, the intracies !!
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I have Catherine Jane Bolger 's birthdate as 31 Jul 1875 (reg 10176). She would have been 14 in 1899 so must have advanced her age to marry?
I have John Francis Bolger's birthdate as 18 Oct 1877 (reg 10727) so he would have been 61 years and 2 months on 4 Jan 1939.
Neil
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Hi Neil,
Yes, I do acknowledge that Catherine J. would be extremely young and that is why I hesitated to put up the information at all.
However the line of inquiry has lead to finding another Catherine J. Bolger as I have mentioned as a footnote to my posting above. This one was of a more suitable marrying age I guess. (b. 1866)
Then again, when Catherine Jane married Peter RADFORD, she was well into her 30's and the marriage did take place in the city area -Paddington, both of which circumstances support her being one in the same!
Probably a red herring, Don't know ;D
Sue
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Thanks Sue,
I agree you need to keep an open mind on these things. I also found a different family tree with Catherine J Bolger, child of (1 of 11) William Bolger and Mary Wynn. They listed her marriage to Joseph Doyle. If they were not such distant rellies I would consider buying one or two transcriptions for confirmation.
Anyway I checked some of the cemetery references given and obtained some new data on Comries and Cussens so a net gain for me.
Neil
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COLCUS I think your Cussen/Jarvis should be Cussen/JERVOIS. going back a bit. Peter Cussen married Ellen Jervois 1/5/1808. daughter of Samuel Jervois and sister of my gt gm (3x) Elizabeth Jervois of Brade House, Leap. Cork. See Burkes Irish Family Records 1976 under Jervois. I have a great deal of information on these people if interested.
Lorc
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Hi my name is Peter Brown and am related to Annie Strachan who married Samuel J Cussen. The son of Samuel J Cussen and Margaret Buckley of Coonabarabran. I am in the process of searching for any information/images etc that anyone would be willing to share relating to this family. I have so far acquired the marriage certificate for Samuel and Annie. And will also be obtaining their birth and death records in the near future. I have also managed to locate a local historian that has indicated that she may have some photo's etc that she is going to look through for me. I am putting our family tree together for my father who's grandfather was John James Strachan the brother of Annie Strachan. Hope to her from anyone and happy to exchange email addresses.
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Hi,
Just a couple of snippets on a John Francis Bolger.
NSW Police Gazette 1872.
Week ending 6th March 1872.
A John Francis Bolger of Black Stump, Coolah near Coonabaraban reported on February 20th 1872 that a black horse had been stolen. The markings were 2 over MH off shoulder, WL over C sideways with S C under near shoulder, W L under saddle near side, star, hind feet white.
It at least gives his residence in 1872 as Black Stump.
1875 NSW PO Directory.
Bolger John, Innkeeper, Black Stump.
Regards
Gerry
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Hello Peter
Can't really add much to your line apart from Sam who married Marg Buckley had a brother James b4.2.1877. I still haven't gone any further back with Sam and Jane form Kinsale. There has been a suggestion it was Jervois. I do have Sam and Jane's children's names and families. I am descended from Thomas.
Marimac :)
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Hello Peter
Can't really add much to your line apart from Sam who married Marg Buckley had a brother James b4.2.1877. I still haven't gone any further back with Sam and Jane form Kinsale. There has been a suggestion it was Jervois. I do have Sam and Jane's children's names and families. I am descended from Thomas.
Marimac :)
Marimac I am one of Jervois descendents. If you want any further info on them I can give it to you . Samuel Jervois of Braade House was my 4th gt gfr.
Lorc
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Thank you for your reply Lorc. I really can't be sure that the Jarvis' and Jervois' are the same (though I have suspected it). Hence it is probably premature for me to be getting more info at this stage. In fact I have been just reviewing my information about Samuel Cussen and I do not have any definitive documents which say he came from Kinsale - only Cork. There was a Samuel Cussan who arrived in Aus. on the Orient in 1839 from Kinsale, but his parents were Patrick and Ellen Hungerford, wheras my Samuel's death cert says Thomas and Charlotte Jarvis. I really don't have much on the family at all.
Anyway thanks for the offer and I shall definitely be contacting you if I find more information in the future.
Marimac :)
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Marimac Just as a matter of interest Hungerfords were half siblings to my 4th gt gfr Samuel Jervois and my 2xgt gmas sister Ellen md Peter Cussen. Worth considering.
Lorc
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Hi marimac, perhaps a bit tangential to Cussen - Jarvis, but I think Margaret BUCKLEY may be a sibling of my ancestor Patrick and his brother John Buckley who were in Mudgee NSW in 1860s and later and are buried in the Coonabarabran Cemetery. Patrick had a daughter Margaret Emma, born 1875 in Coonabarabran (and 9 other kids). Would you by any chance have any information on their parents ?
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I do not know if this is any help. My family is JERVOIS and an Ellen married Cussen . You will find it in Burkes Landed Gentry. Samuel Jervois was one of my great grandfathers. The names are so close I had to answer.
Lorc
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Thanks to JaymorseCo, and Rosball for this link http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70947323 that advise Jane Cussen (nee Sulliavan) died on 21 June 1880 at Greenbah aged 68 years.
Neil
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Hi Jaymorse
Have just come back to this after a long absence and didn't realize there was a question to me here. Unfortunately I don't know anything about Margaret Buckley's parents; all I have is- b1851 NSW ; d 11.8.1888; buried Coonabarabran RC Cemetery; m Samuel Cussen 11.1.1868 Mudgee; children Samuel John and James. This came from the Coonabarabran Pioneer register, which a friend looked up for me when they were down that way.
Samuel Cussen (not sure which) is apparently also mentioned in a book "Horsemen of the First Frontier"
Hi Lorc
Sorry no more progress on Jervois-Cussen
Also wondering if anyone ever got the death certificate for Jane Cussen (Sullivan)?
Marimac :)
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Hi my name is Peter Brown and am related to Annie Strachan who married Samuel J Cussen. The son of Samuel J Cussen and Margaret Buckley of Coonabarabran. I am in the process of searching for any information/images etc that anyone would be willing to share relating to this family. I have so far acquired the marriage certificate for Samuel and Annie. And will also be obtaining their birth and death records in the near future. I have also managed to locate a local historian that has indicated that she may have some photo's etc that she is going to look through for me. I am putting our family tree together for my father who's grandfather was John James Strachan the brother of Annie Strachan. Hope to her from anyone and happy to exchange email addresses.
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i am also looking for the cussen family.
samule jarvis is my 2nd grand uncle he had a brother called patrick born 1848 died 1916 in australia may be we can help one another when patrick married catherine corr they has 2 children
john emanuel cussen born 1872 died 1906 i have stuff on him
2nd son my great grandfather john william samuel coussens (mispelt some how)he married caroline hentietta stedman they had a son my grandfather cedric augustus eric cousens (misspelt again) he married oilive mckenzie they had a son my father cedric james welsh cousens and cussen on our side its now spelt
if you have a private email so i can send you what i have may be you can send me what have
thanks kathy