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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: edinjam on Saturday 29 November 08 11:10 GMT (UK)
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Hello there.
I am trying to get hold of my Great Grandfather PETER DUNNE's service records for the RIC. Am having a hard time trying to find a copy of Jim Herlihy's book on the RIC that gives the full alphabetical listing of serving RIC officers and men from 1816-1922.
The Mitchell Library in Glasgow only had his "RIC - A Short History and Genealogical Guide". They inform me that the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh has the following book:
Title: Royal Irish Constabulary Officers: a biographical dictionary and genealogical guide, 1816-1822/Jim Herlihy; with a foreward by W E Vaughan
Date: 2005 Publisher: Dublin: Four Corners Press
ISBN: 1851828265
Can anyone confirm whether this is the book I need? I am a little suspicious because of the year of publishing and also the mention of RIC Constabulary "Officers" and not "men".
I am going to make a special trip to Edinburgh and will be joining the National Library of Scotland in order to look at this book so as you can imagine, I want to make sure that it's the one I want!
JBhall ( who has been a mine of information!) gave me Jim Herlihy's website address and I sent him an email yesterday to ask him directly. I can only get to Edinburgh next Tuesday (my only child-free day in months!!) so I don't know whether he'll get back to me in time.
So in a belt and braces fashion I am posting here!
On another related note - I have an LDS centre just round the corner from my house. When I get Peter Dunne's service number would I be able to order up his service records to view on microfiche?
Thanks!
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have a look at this thread - it answers some questions e.g. re LDS etc
what are Peter's rough dates?
regards eadaoin
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Hello there - will follow up that thread you pasted but thought I would get this off to you first.
My Great Grandfather was PETER DUNNE
I don't have a year of birth yet but he was married 09/05/1894 at Long Tower RC church Londonderry (to a Bridget A Devenny)
I have the marriage certificate on order so don't know whether he was a serving constable at the time. But having said that, reading Jim's other book I learned that you had to be in the RIC for 7 years before marriage and had to be 19 to join so I am kind of assuming he was already serving?
I know for sure that he was serving in 1897 and 1900 when my Grandfather and his brother were baptised - this was at St Patrick's in Belfast. It says as such on the church records.
Any help you can give me with this would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks, Mary
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Hang on a minute Eadaoin -what thread?! Unless I am going completely bonkers I can't see a link to another thread ??? :)
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edinjam
Have sent you a PM.
Sio
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oops - sorry, yet another senior moment!
it's further down this forum
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,342226.0.html
eadaoin
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Well I can confirm that that is NOT the book you want if you are looking for the full alphabetical listing of officers AND men of the RIC!
Thought the title didn't quite add up.
Ah well, he's a busy man that Jim Herlihy writing all these books on the RIC!
Least I am now a member of the National Library of Scotland. Had lunch with a friend so it wasn't a complete waste of time.
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Here is a link I found to request RIC Service records 1822-1922 from the Police Museum NI.
http://www.psni.police.uk/index/pg_police_museum/pg_geneology_information.htm
Angela
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Thats a very useful site Angela - I think I may have stumbled across that a while ago but couldn't afford it at the time. I also thought it would be more interesting to try and carry out at least some of the research myself - the thrill of the chase as it were! Having drawn a blank in my efforts thus far I am thinking that I might just have to bite the bullet and cough up £15.
Thanks for your help and for everyone else that has replied to this thread.
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at the Gilbert Library today looked up the Peter Dunnes.
There were 8 Peter Dunn / Dunne.
4 before 1860 (too early?) and 1 about 1908 (too late)
I'll just mention the other 3.
RIC no ... period covered (from J.H.s other book)
38188 ... ~1871-72
44681 ... Sep 1878-Dec 1879
53690 ... 1889 early in the year?
this last would only have him serving 5 years at marriage ..... but one of my lot married after 6 yrs, obviously kept it secret, and married her again the next yr in a different church!
eadaoin
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Eadoin - thanks for that - can't wait to get his marriage certificate so that I can get a clearer of idea of his year of birth. I wondered whether the 7 year rule was an absolute. Jim Herlihy replied to me and suggested a Peter Dunne that it might be (but didn't give me the service number) but it sounded as if it would have meant that he married a little before the 7 year period - so it's interesting what you say about your relative! I will post back on this thread when I know more.
Thank you for taking the time to look this up at the Gilbert Library - I very much appreciate it!
Mary
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Marriage certificates for Co. Londonderry up until c1946 will say whether or not of full age (and if not the age in eyars is supposed to be given).
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Well marriage certificate is back - bit disapppointed it didn't give his age - although Aghadowey's post had prepared me for the fact that it might just say "full" which indeed it did. He was down as a Policeman and his father Edward Dunne was "living" and a labourer.
So if he was 19 when he joined (minimum age) and served 7 years before this marriage he would have to be at least 26 in May 1894 - so the earliest he could have been born is 1868. His residence at time of marriage is Belfast (where he was serving I know for certain in 1897 and 1900) and his wife's residence is down as Derry.
So now where to look for his birth - it could be Derry where his wife was from? Or it could be anywhere really couldn't it?
As far as the RIC records go, I guess Eadaoin's earlier post with the three Peter Dunnes is a good place to start - now to see which of the three is the likeliest! I guess he could have enlisted as an older man - in his 20s even thirties. I know he was still working as a prison warder in 1920 at Crumlin Road Jail but have no idea of his year of death
Thanks for all your replies and advice. Will probably wait until after New Year now to pursue this.
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Looks like he was probably born 1868 or earlier but civil registration of births started in 1864 so there may not be a birth certificate for him. What's the name and occupation of his father on the marriage certificate?
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His father was Edward Dunne and his occupation was labourer - he was still alive at the time of the marriage. Nothing to get my teeth into!
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How do you know Edward Dunne was
born alive at the time of his son's marriage?
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"how do you know Edward Dunne was born at the time of his son's marriage?"
Did you mean, "how do you know Edward Dunne was ALIVE at the time of his son's marriage"?
If you mean the latter it says under "Father's name and Surname" Edward Dunne and underneath what appears to be the word "Living" then under Rank and Profession "Labourer". Under his brides' father it says "Patrick Devanney" - Dead and the occupation is blank.
In the presence of has the names Ellen Tracey and what I am deciphering as Hugh Boyle CR - at least that's what the last two letters seem to spell out.
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Yes, meant alive not born. Unusual to see 'living' writen on an Irish marriage certificate.
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I've come across this where the father of the groom was dead and the father of the bride is recorded as 'living'.
Maybe it was not recorded if both were living but recorded where one was dead?
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I've seen 'dead' written with name of father, 'dead' written and name of father omitted and nothing written in box for father's name if he was dead but have never seen 'living' written in. Must just depend on the way the clergyman filled out the registers.
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Hi - if someone has Jim Herlihy's book can you look up the name Patrick Slevin? His obituary in the San Francisco newspaper mentioned he was a policeman in the Dublin Police force for 7 years before immigrating to the US in 1851. Thanks! Cindy Slevin
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I am looking for the RIC service number of Thomas McLOUGLIN born about 1849, Queens County. In the 1901 census he was head constable in Listowel, Kerry. He married in Dublin in 1883 and was in Kerry by 1898.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
Clive Boyce
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annclare very kindly replied to my query re Thomas McLoughlin but I cannot find how to reply directly so please excuse this attempt to get back to Ann. Ann if you see this please contact me on. (*)
Clive Boyce
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If anyone has a book on Royal Irish Constabulary I would like the details on Ewin or Euin Porter - I think he was born around 1811.
Thanks
Patmotty