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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: SOPHIEDOG on Thursday 27 November 08 15:01 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for help please with my family of Albert Brown, I believe I have him in the 1901 census as living at,
19Ship Yard street,Birmingham Ladywood,Warwks The family are listed as;
Albert BROWN Head Md 29 Carriage Maker (Worker)
Elizabeth BROWN Wife Md 30
Thomas BROWN Son 12
Maud BROWN Daur 7
Albert BROWN Son5
Lilly BROWN Daur 2
Minnie BROWN Daur (1 mo)
All just shown Born Birmingham.
Class; RG13;Piece;2829;Folio;151;Page;34
Please can anyone find for me the *Head * of the family as above* ALBERT BROWN * in the census going back in time,so as I can find out who he's PARENTS were please.
I really would appreciate some help with this please. Thanking you in advance.
Sophiedog. :)
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I think you are going to need a marriage cert -or the birth cert of one of the children
There are more than 1 Alberts of correct age.
Is it possible that Thomas was not Albert's son???
Do you know Elizabeth's maiden name???
Could it have been Evans???
Suz
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Hi Suz,I only have the Marriage cert for lily Brown,(my grandmother married to Joseph Adams, September 1920)
Wittnesses to the marriage,were her sister Minnie Brown and her father Albert Edward Brown, Occ ;Prambulater wheel maker.
Sophiedog
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You would think having the middle name would help-unfortunately there are more than one Albert Edwards -so there is now the complication of ones using the middle initial E -and ones who don't.
I would think it really is necessary to purchase ne of the childrens birth certs -it is too easy to follow an incorrect line with a name which is not unusual
Suz
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You would think having the middle name would help-unfortunately there are more than one Albert Edwards -so there is now the complication of ones using the middle initial E -and ones who don't.
I would think it really is necessary to purchase ne of the childrens birth certs -it is too easy to follow an incorrect line with a name which is not unusual
Suz
Ok Suz,thanks for your help I will send for Lilys Birth Cert.
Sophiedog.
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the birth cert would give mother's maiden name -so then you could find a marriage -but then tht may mean another cert to get you further back.
I am trying to find Thomas in 1891 -can'y find him under brown - but will keep looking
if we can find Thomas with mother Elizabeth and he was of a different marriage, then we will have more to go on
Have you looked in 1881 for possible family of Albert Edward??
Suz
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Suz on my fathers birth cert with his mum as Lily Agatha BROWN she was living in Kings Norton 2 Raddlebarn Road, part of the workhouse,dads cert says born workhouse ,and these houses in Raddle barn Road were used in those days as part of the workhouse.and on the marriage cert she is a spinster age 21yrs. I was thinking surely the Albert Edwards Brown's you can see are not all Prambulater Wheel Makers are they.?
I am going to see if I can find Lily's birth in BMD,I can't get actual census look ups as I don't get credits.
Thanks for your continued help,I thought you had given up on me. I appreciate your help.
Sophiedog.
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Hi Sophiedog,
No haven't given up on you.
The answers to your questions are: none of the Albert Edward browns on the census are perambulator wheel makers -even your Albert isn't!!!
That was his occupation at the time of the marriage of Lily - in 1920!
In 1901 he was described as a carriage maker
In 1891 he would only be 19 -so his occupation could have changed again
What i was wondering was if Thomas was Elizabeth's son pre marriage - maybe from another marriage (as there is a 5 year gap between Thomas and Maud.
I can't find an Albert brown married to Elizabeth with 2 yr old Thomas in 1891.
The other problem is there are quite a few Albert browns/Albert Edward Browns b abt the same time in the same area.
On the census some have a middle intial of E -some don't.
Your Albert should have an E -but doesn't
So it's difficult to see which Albert is which.
To find Albert's birth reg is difficult too -as there are so many close together.
Also on 1901 census it says all b Birmingham -but we can't exactly take that to be certain -as sometimes p.o.b.'s on census are just "dittoed" for the whole family-sometimes for the whole page.
I have trwled through Elizabeth's of the age given but haven't come up with anything yet.
I am now going to trawl the census for Thomas' age 2 -as maybe his age is more correct than Elizabeth's
So I am quietly working in the background -it's just taking time
Suz
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Suz,I was not meaning to be rude,I know you all work very hard behind the scenes helping us all. Thank you. for that.
I have been going through the BMD and Freecen UK.and the LDS,does your eyes in doesn't it, !! (or eye in my case. )have not come up with anything either yet. Thanks again you have all been great to me in the past.
Sophie.
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Hi Sophie,
No offence taken - Brown is just not an easy name to research with little information.
I have looked through all the Elizabeth's and Thomas' in 1891 and can't really see a "match"
( I found this entry -which is probably nothing to do with your family -but I just hadn't seen an entry like this before - I found a Thomas and Elizabeth Bagnall- with a son - the son was 2 days old (not 2 years ) and was entered as "baby to be named Thomas" )
I may be well off beam thinking Thomas wasn't a Brown -but if this turns out to be so there is a marriage regFreeBMD
Sept qtr 1894
Birmingham
Albert Edward brown
6d 264
one of the females on the page is Elizabeth Attwood
but I can't find a likely candidate for her either?
I think the way forward is to purchase a birth cert for one of the younger children -and then when you have mother's maiden name find the correct marriage and send for that certificate .
Have you any other ideas?
Suz
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Suz,I think you may have a possible,I will do as you say and send for a birth, of one of the siblings.
Thank you so much for everything.
Best wishes.
Sophie.
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There is also a marriage of Albert Brown (no middle name )possibly to Elizabeth Evans.
Would be pleased to hear mother's name on birth cert
Suz
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Suz,is it poss to send me the marriage Month and year if you can see it on the page. Of Albert Brown and Elizabeth Evans
you found for future ref ,if I have to send for it.
Thanks,and I will let you know as soon as I know, of the mothers name.many thanks for all you have done.
Sophie.
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FreeBMD
Jun qtr 1893
Birmingham
6d 180
on same page -among others
Albert brown
Elizabeth Eliza Evans
all guesses at the moment
Suz
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Yes I understand Suz,Have already filled in form for cert will post tomorrow.
You have been great in perservering thanks so much,will let you know.
Sophie,
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Hi both :)
Just wondering, Sophie - you say her father Albert Edward Brown was a witness. How do you know it was her father?
I'm asking because in my own tree, witnesses are more often siblings than parents, and I suspect that her younger brother was actually Albert Edward.
Does it say Albert Edward Brown under the father heading? :)
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Hi Tati, Yes it says Albert Edward Brown as Father. And as a Witness and Minnie Eva Brown as the other witness.
her sister. as in 1901 census.
Sophie.
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Yes I understand Suz,Have already filled in form for cert will post tomorrow.
You have been great in perservering thanks so much,will let you know.
Sophie,
Hi Suz, Birmingham BMD could not find Lily Agatha BROWN birth,I heard today. I guess it was because I could not give a REG number I could only give an approx year of birth. Not to worry.I shall have to leave it at that. But thanks so much for your help.
Sophiedog
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Hi Sophiedog,
I know that I'm replyig to a very old post but I have only just found it. Albert Edward Brown is my grandfather (my mothers side of the family). He is a difficult person to research but I have a small amount of information that might help you if you are still interested.
Regards,
Ivor