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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: meaux on Thursday 27 November 08 10:58 GMT (UK)
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Hi I am trying to find information on my great grandfather,
his name is henry william turner born 1828.
he was sent out to australia when he was 13 for stealing a pair of shoes, he had been in trouble many times and the authorities just got sick of seeing him
his parents had put him into a home in cheltenham, we are not sure how long he was there before he was sent out
he was sentenced at bristol
the attachment is his record from the tasmanian web site. his records he was on the elphinstone ship.
would love to find his family and if there are any decendants still around
have been looking for ages but just cant find a link, tried the different councils too
this is a photo of him he might resemble another family member
cheers and thanks rosemary
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He appears to have been sentenced after the 1841 census; do you have his entry in that census? There are candidates in Cheltenham and Bristol.
I can't read all the document you have posted, so the answer may be there; but how do you know that he had been in a Cheltenham home, and that the authorities were sick of him? Is there documentary evidence or is it family tradition?
He is not listed as Henry William Turner on your document. When does his middle name first appear?
Richard
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hi ya
we have his 2 marriage certs, and birth certs from his children one son was my mothers father we got the middle name from there
there are a couple of other bits but just names of gaolers and constables lol
thanks for your help
i will write what is on the form, i was hoping it would come through lol
tried in bristol 25th oct, 1841 embarked 30h march 1842 arrived 28 july 1842
transported for stealing a pair of shoes, gaol report deserted by parents hulk reformatory londenery
stated this offence stealing a pair of shoes
tried at bristol 10-12 times, for vagrancy 14 days and 7 days each time
low employment
general conduct, bad often confined
trade - laborer
height 4 ft 1/2
age 13
complexion - fresh
face - oval
hair - light brown
whiskers - none
eyebrows - black
eyes- grey
face - oval
chin - long
mouth - large
nose - medium
from cheltenham
scar on centre of forehead, mole on chin
laborer cannot earn his livelihood
period of confinement 7 years
offended at sentence
absent without leave, 20 straps on back
absent 7 days
released 20 march, 1848
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he was on the elphinstone ship
sorry forgot to add that
rosie
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Had a very quick look online at the 1841 census for Gloucestershire and there are quite a few possibilities in Gloucestershire generally but only 2 in Cheltenham (assuming he was born in Gloucestershire). Both of the ones in Cheltenham are living with their families.
Unless there's some other info, like names of possible siblings/parents etc. it's going to be difficult for you to narrow down which one he is. As all of these entries are with families on the 1841 census, is it likely that he would have been tried 10-12 times in 6 months?
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hi ya
thank you so much for looking for me, we have had so many probs with henry as he would not talk of his life in the uk, so no one knows any details we only assumed his fathers name was william as he used this with his children and being part of his own name they used to use the parents name in the childs name
he has been a headache for many years we have others looking for him too but no luck
thank you so much for helping
cheers rosemary
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Hi Meaux
Don't his marriage certs give his father's or parents' names? Have you found a death cert for him - I understood that they gave parents' names, assuming he died in Oz?
Have you found any record of his previous transgressions or searched for any assistance he might have received from the Board of Guardians (presumably in Cheltenham)?
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Hi Rosemary
If you look under Rootschat Common Room, Useful Links on 20/10 there is a link for access to British Newspapers. There were 2 articles in the Bristol papers regarding your Henry. Neither give clues to his parents , but you may like to see them.
Nashua
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hi ya
nah neither had his parents names on it, we just assumed his dad was william, it is his middle name and he used it with his kids and grandchildren none were called henry in any part of their name
will try the newspaper one thank you so much guys you are such a big help he has been a pain for years, with nothing in his background
love you all
rosie
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hi ya
what is Board of Guardians???
still trying to find the link to the newspapers, found one site but cant search it
must have the old dunce cap on today
oh well just finished work be there since 7am
lol xx rosie
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his name is henry william turner born 1828. . . snip . . . his parents had put him into a home in cheltenham, . . .
Snip
cheers and thanks rosemary
Although he was put in a home in Chelt' his parents did not necessarily come from there.
Using the Parish locator free prog "Parloc" - get it from http://parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/parlocdl.html - I found that Charlton Kings is ony 2 miles from Chelt and in Batch C020662 extracted from C.K. church records - see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyGloucester_(A-M).htm#C - I found many Turners and one is Henry b. 1825 having father . . . . . . but I'll let you find it.
May be no use but it will interest you.
Regards
Chas
P.S. The info is also to be found in the GLS baptismal index produced by the GFHS.
Chas
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hey chas
thanks for that
we are pretty sure his dob is def 1828 though, i went through them all it is amazing. sent an email to my mums cousin she has all his records, asked her to confirm the year of birth to make sure, marlena has been doing this for over 20 years trying to find him, she is rapt that puters are now around it has made it easier for her
im gonna sent her the addie too she will love it thank you so much
cheers rosie
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I looked at the Charlton Kings one too, Chas - but without further corroborating evidence it would be hard to be sure which one of many options is the right chap!
Rosie, the Board of Guardians were those who administered the workhouse and poor relief. If he was unable to support himself and yet still quite young there is a good chance he will have applied for parish relief of some sort. If this was in Cheltenham, you'd have to look at the Gloucester Archives for these records. It would be tricky without knowing which parish though!
His previous convictions might give evidence of which parish he belonged to - the Bristol ones aren't specific enough as "Cheltenham" encompasses lots - although Charlton Kings would be separate, so is perhaps less likely on that score.
Please don't assume anything about facts like people's names - it sounds possible, even likely but it isn't a fact til you've proved it!
Have you looked for the various Henrys on later censuses, to see which ones disappear, by the way?
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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I'll be in Gloucester RO later today looking at Cheltenham & district registers, so if I spot a likely Henry I'll make a note of his parents and any siblings also baptised there.
Looking at the Archives catalogue online, there is no Gloucester gaol record for a Henry around the right time (this would include people from Cheltenham, I think). There is an overseer's report for a Henry in 1842, which would make him about 14. This could be an application for parish relief, so I'll try to get a look at it for further information.
Gillg
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Hi Rosie
I've searched quite a few parish registers from the Cheltenham area, and the best match I can find for you is from Charlton Kings (rather poshly entered in the register as Charlton Regis!), just outside Cheltenham. It's the baptism that ChasH found for you, and I'm going to spoil his fun now (sorry, Chas ::)) and tell you that it was for the baptism of Henry Turner, son of William Turner, bricklayer, and his wife Mary, date 24 April 1825. Henry's brother Robert was baptised in the same church, St Mary's, on 8th June 1828.
Henry Turner in the overseer's records I mentioned earlier isn't the same chap. He's 39, the son of Thomas & Grace Turner, either in the North Nibley workhouse or applying for parish relief (it doesn't make it clear) with his second wife Mary and the children from his first marriage to Elizabeth, Ann 10, Hannah 9 and Charlotte 4. They come from Kings Stanley, I don't think they can be related to your Turners.
Of course, finding that entry doesn't guarantee that it's your Henry, though it's tempting, as his father was called William, isn't it?
Time, as always, ran out before I was able to check on William and Mary's marriage. There is a marriage on the IGI of a William in Charlton Kings 18 Feb 1821, but it's to Sarah Constable. There are also two marriages for Williams in Gloucester, about 8 miles from C K, the first to Mary Bennett 19 Oct 1815, the second to Mary Leott 25 Aug 1819, both in St Mary De Lode church.
Regards
Gillg
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hi all
thanking you all again. have not been on for so long been really busy over here
still love you all for helping me to try and find this horrid rellie who just does not want us to know his background lol
thanks again and good luck with all your searches cheers rosemary