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Hi
I have the following information and wondered whether anyone could help to fill in the gaps? I have most information after 1886 so anything before that would be a great help.
John William Bentley (b. Mar 1863 Pateley Bridge) married Sarah Ann Baynes(b. Sep 1862 Scotton, Knaresbrough) Dec 1887 Leeds. They had son Thomas Albert Baynes Bentley b. Dec 1886. I have assumed because of the dates that Thomas was born before they got married so took his mothers name initially then after marriage they added the Bentley on the end. Just an idea but not far-fetched I don't think? On the 1901 Census Thomas is listed as Albert.
Q1 - I cannot find any other children from John and Sarah so if anyone can find any I would be grateful.
Q2 - I cannot find when either parent or child died.
Charles Bentley (b. either 1825 Pateley Bridge or 1827 Bishopside) married Elizabeth ???? They have 6 children as per 1871 Census.
Q3 - I cannot find Elizabeth's maiden name which is therefore also proving difficult to find her ancestors too. Any info?
Thomas Albert married Ellen Leetch Cowan (b. Jun 1877 Chorlton) on Sep 1906. I have no information regarding her at all. They had John William Baynes Bentley (b. 23 Feb 1907 Pateley Bridge) who is my grandfather.
Q4 - Ellen Cowan - any information gratefully received.
I would like to thank anyone in advance for their help.
Would be grateful to hear from anyone who is related to this family too.
Elli
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Charles Bentley marriage Q3. 1853 Pately Bridge Vol 9a. Pg. 73
Elizabeth Bell : image shows Pg. 73 although it has been transcribed as 75
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Hello
A possibility for Ellen L Cowan in 1891 ....
Chorlton RG12/3189 Folio 127 Page 30
John Cowan Head M 59 News Agent Scotland
Jane do Wife M 45 Scotland
Alexander do Son S 20 Jewellery and Toy Warehouseman Manchester
James do Son S 17 Jewellery and Toy Warehouseman Manchester
Ellen L do Daur S 14 Scholar Manchester
Catherine do Daur S 10 Scholar Manchester
John do Son S 8 Scholar Manchester
49 Embden St, Chorlton on Medlock
posteria
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The same family can be found on the 1881 census by looking on http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp and searching for Helen L Cowan 1877
This entry also specifies where in Scotland the parents came from.
posteria
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On the 1901 census, John is still shown as married but Jane is not there ....
Chorlton RG13/3698 Folio 152 Page 2
John Cowan Head M 69 News Agent Scotland
James do Son S 27 Warehouseman Lancs Manchester
Nellie do Daur S 24 Shop Assistant Lancs Manchester
Kate do Daur S 20 CC Clerk Lancs Manchester
John do Son S 18 ? Lancs Manchester
49 Embden St, Chorlton on Medlock
posteria
Added Information - Jane Cowan (married) and her son, Alexander are shown together at 322 Gt Cheetham St East, Broughton. They are both listed as “Stationer and Newsagent“. The census reference is Salford RG13/3725 Folio 102 Page 2
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[quote author=Elli8982 link=topic=344144.msg2227107#msg2227107
. They had son Thomas Albert Baynes Bentley b. Dec 1886. I have assumed because of the dates that Thomas was born before they got married so took his mothers name initially then after marriage they added the Bentley on the end. Just an idea but not far-fetched I don't think?
Birth
Thomas Albert BAynes
Oct/Nov/Dec 1886
Leeds
9b 532
so, yes, he was registered as Baynes but obviously used Bentley later on
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Here are the Cowans in 1871, at the same address as in 1881 ....
Chorlton RG10/4006 Folio 113 Page 30
John Cowen Head M 39 Joiner Scotland
Jane do Wife M 25 Scotland
Alexander do Son 2mo Hulme Manchester
5 Rial St, Hulme
posteria
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The son, James H Cowan, born in 1873 had the middle name of Harley.
In 1868 in the Parish of Alloa, a John Cowan aged 37 and a Joiner, residing in Manchester married a Jane Young Harley aged 22, also residing in Manchester.
Her parents were called James and Catherine Harley whose maiden surname looks like Bringham (or something similar).
His parents were called Alexander and Jane (or Janet) Cowan. I can’t read what her maiden surname was.
posteria.
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James and Catherine Harley appear on all the Scottish census returns from 1841 to 1891 with various spellings of their surname as Harley, Harlay and Hurley.
In summary, the family seems to comprise the following :-
James Harley born c1815 occupation Cooper
Catherine born c1814 (maiden name was possibly Bringan)
John born c1838
James born c1840
Isabella born c1844
Jane born c1846
Catherine born c1849
William born c1851
Robert born c1853
Janet born c1856
Mary born c1860
All the children were born at Alloa. Most census returns say that both parents were also born at Alloa but on one they are both shown as being from Fife.
On the 1851/1861/1871 census they lived at Drysdale Street, Alloa
On the 1881/1891 census they lived at Greenfield Street, Alloa
The marriage for Jane Young Harley and John Cowan is shown in IGI batch M114651, as is that for her brother James and her sister Catherine.
posteria
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Here is John Cowan in 1851 ....
Hulme HO107/2221 Folio 874 Page 4 (Decayed)
Alexander Cowan Head M 44 Joiner Scotland
Janet do Wife M 41 Scotland
William do Son U 21 ? Merchant’s Book Keeper Scotland
John do Son U 19 Joiner Scotland
Elleanor do Daur U 13 Scholar Scotland
16 Devonshire St, Hulme, Manchester
posteria
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Again in 1861 ....
Manchester RG9/2970 Folio 98 Page 57
Alexander Cowan Head M 55 Joiner Scotland
Janet do Wife M 51 Scotland
John do Son U 29 Joiner Scotland
George Holand ? Boarder U 18 Joiner Scotland
20 Robert St, Cheetham, Manchester
posteria
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I wonder if this is where Ellen Leetch Cowan’s middle name originated from ?
In the first quarter of 1861 Helen Hyslop Cowan married William Leetch at Manchester Cathedral. The GRO reference is on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/.
I think that she is the daughter shown on the 1851 census as Elleanor. IGI batch C118664 shows her as the daughter of Alexander Cowan and Jean McHarg.
The mother’s maiden surname, that I could not read on John Cowan’s marriage document, does (now) look remarkably like Harg. Jane, Jean and Janet tend to be interchangeable in Scotland.
posteria
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Firstly I would like to say a big thank you to posteria. You have found out so much information about the Cowan side of the family that is great. I have been able to locate all of the things and some extra bits so thanks so much.
I wonder whether anyone has been able to find anything out about the Bentley side, so John William Bentley and Sarah A Baynes? I have found that Sarah Baynes had parents called Joseph and Eliza but cannot find what Eliza's maiden name is. I have searched and it has given me 5 different possibilites and I cannot figure out which they are. Does anyone have any clues as to how I can figure out which one belongs to Joseph Baynes? Baynes is sometimes spelt Baines too.
Thanks again though posteria, you're a star.
Elli
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I have found that Sarah Baynes had parents called Joseph and Eliza but cannot find what Eliza's maiden name is.
Hello Elli
You are welcome.
The birth certificate for one of the children of Joseph and Eliza will provide her maiden name. Since Sarah Ann is your direct ancestor it is probably the most appropriate one to go for. Her birth seems to have been registered in the third quarter of 1862 at Knaresborough. The GRO reference is 9a 95.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
posteria
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I am in the middle of a search for the family of one...Isabella Harley Cowan born Scotland we think as married and lived in Edinburgh ...Husband William Gray born 1905 so we assume she was born about same time as family members remember her as about that age...As this family in this thread contains both Harley and Cowan I am hopeful that their may be a connection....thanks
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I am in the middle of a search for the family of one...Isabella Harley Cowan born Scotland we think as married and lived in Edinburgh ...Husband William Gray born 1905 so we assume she was born about same time as family members remember her as about that age...As this family in this thread contains both Harley and Cowan I am hopeful that their may be a connection....thanks
Hi
I see from my information that I have a James Harley born 1815 in Pilgrim, Fife, who married Catherine Bringans. They had 9 children: John, James, Isabella, Jane Young, Catherine, William, Robert, Janet and Mary. As there is an Isabella in amongst that, it might be worth a closer look.
All the information I have on Isabella is that she was born 1844 in Alloa, Scotland and was residing at 7 Drysdale Street in Alloa in the 1851 Scotland Census (Parish: Alloa; ED: 1; Page: 13; Line: 28; Roll: 1002; Year: 1851) and she was listed as being a scholar.
Another possible connection could be to Isabella's sibling, Jane Young Harley born 1846 in Alloa Scotland who married John Cowan. They had 5 children (that I know of): Alexander, James Harley, Ellen Leetch, Catherine H and John. I am from the Ellen Leetch side of the family but looking at this information - it may be worth looking at James Harley as he appears to be the only one of the family who kept the Harley name.
Hope this helps - if you want any more information I have, please don't hesitate to let me know.
Thanks
Elli
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Many thanks that gives me a lot to get my teeth into...We were all lead to believe Harley was the middle name and as all my scottish people seem to hand down a surname as a middle name it could well be in this family somewhere...thanks again
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On 14th August 1931, at Leith North, a William John Gray married an Isabella HARTLEY COWEN. He was 25 and she was 29. They were both Chemists.
She was the daughter of John Darling Constable Cowen and Mary Jane Cowen (nee Hartley).
He was the son of William John Gray, a Lighthouse Keeper and Harriet Gray.
Does that sound like it might be your couple?
GF
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From a 1901 Scotland Census Transcription
John D C Cowen 30 Biscuit Stock Keeper born England
Mary J H Cowen 34 born London
Living at 3 Westfield St, Edinburgh
GF
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Fantastic many thanks..these are correct William and Isabella were chemists and his father was a lighthouse keeper with the Northern Scotland lighthouse company....Shetland and Orkneys mainly...
thankyou again...