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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: Marc Mc Namara on Tuesday 25 November 08 13:59 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking to locate my grandfather whom i understand was born in Limerick in 1899.
What i know of the family is that my Grandfather was called Gus - It is understood that this was an abbreviation of Augustine ( I have a record for a Gustavus, I'm working to validate if this if accurate or just coincidence)
I understand that he had two brothers Jack & John, both slightly older than him.
He went on to spend some 30 years in the Irish Army.
My granddad often talked that his dad or granddad as a lordmayor but i suspect this was the gargle speaking as i can see no lord mayor by the name of Keyes / Keys that fits the period - I guess it could have been his maternal Grandfather but i suspect it was just gargle!!
Appreciate any help possible
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Hi Marc,
Not sure if you have already done so, but it may be worth a look at Limerick City Library Local Studies Section www.limerick.ie/library/localstudies
The following are listed on their 1901 Census. These are heads of households only.
Keyes Mary Blackboy St Laurence
Keyes Michael J. Blackboy St. Laurence
Keyes Patrick Patrick Street St Michael's
Keyes Thomas Reboge Meadows St Patrick's
Keys Richard Sheep Street St. Mary's
Keyes John Lock Quay St. John's
Keyes Mary Blackboy St Laurence
Keyes Michael J. Blackboy St. Laurence
Keyes Patrick Patrick Street St Michael's
Keyes Thomas Reboge Meadows St Patrick's
Keys Richard Sheep Street St. Mary's
There is also a Michael Keyes listed in their Lord Mayor section for 1928.
Sio
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Thanks
Ive had a productive evening and found my grandfathers birth, gg father via the census (Lough Quay on your list), The GG fathers marriage, the gg fathers birth and my gggs marriage... phew
I could do with some more of these on the Dublin side!
Thanks for your help
Marc
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Marc, I would be interested in speaking with you about your Keyes ancestry as I am also researching this name in Limerick. My grandfather was Henry Keas, who was from Patrickswell village, and I got interested in the surname and its variants, Keays, Keyes, Keas, Keayes many years ago and have a small database of the surname for Limerick and Tipperary. I'd be interested in seeing how you fit in and talking with you further.
Michael Keyes, the mayor in 1928 (and also TD for a period) had a large family, and is actually thought to be descended from a group in Abington civil parish who spell their name Keays. The family is also remembered for founding the Garryowen Football Club.
The surname is found in Limerick as far back as Penders Census (1656), and the oldest documented existence of it in Limerick is for a Christopher Keays, who acted as mayor, sheriff and basically a high muckety muck in the mid 1600s. He was survived by a son Christopher when he died in 1678.
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Hi there, yes i would be interested to know what info you have and where it might fit in with your data. I have several posts with data regarding the Keys/Keyes see below - also my keyes are linked by marriage to the nestors.
I shall document what i have in a day or two (Xmas & kids beckon)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,330857.msg2109642.html#msg2109642
Slan go foill
Marc
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Hi Cindy,
Thanks for your interest in my KEYES family post.
I shall detail what i know and note what i think etc.
and hopefully we may be able to identify a cross over or
you may have data that helps fill some of the gaps.
My Grandad, Gus, was born Augustine KEYES on his Church record
and Augustine KEYS on his civil record. Interestingly the civil document
looks like Gustavius KEYS.
Church Baptism Record
Name:Augustine Keyes Date of Baptism / Birth:07/09/1899
Parish / District: ST. JOHN'S
County: Co. Limerick
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: John Keyes
Mother: Margaret Nestor
Civil Birth Record
Name: Augustine Keys Date of Baptism / Birth:03/10/1899
Address: 2 Clare Street Parish / District:LIMERICK NO 1
County Co. Limerick
Denomination: Civil Record
Father: John Keys
Mother: Margaret Nestor
Occupation: Book Binder
Informant 1: Margaret Keys
Note the contradiction of Birth Vs baptism date.
From this i was able to find the Marriage Cert:
Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 27/07/1895
Parish / District: ST. MUNCHIN'S County: Co. Limerick
Husband Wife
Name: John Keyes Margaret Nestor
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Keyes Nestor
and then i located them on the 1901 Census:
1901 Census Record
Household Number 1 District Electoral Division: LIMERICK NO. 6
Address: Lough Quay
Limerick City
Limerick City Parish UNDEFINED
County Co. Limerick
Name Surname Occupation Age Relationship Origin
John Keyes Bookbinder 33 Householder Co. Limerick
Catherine Keyes 60 Mother Co. Limerick
John Keyes 4 Months Son Co. Sligo
Agustus Keyes 1 Son Limerick City
Richard Keyes Scholar 2 Son Limerickcity
Michael Keyes Scholar 4 Son Limerick City
Margaret Keyes 24 Wife Limerick City
Then has obvious shared the names of siblings, whom my aunt only knew as John & Jack - whom
were older than GUS, i have not found any solid info on these yet - 'Jack' whom i assume is JOHN
went to the USA but was back in Dublin several times in the 1960s - GUS died in 1972 in the Southside
of Dublin where my aunt, his eldest daughter still lives.
I noted that Johns mother was listed and based on her age , Johns age and the basis that the eldest son was named Michael, i found the birth cert for John Keyes
Church Baptism Record
Name: John Keyes Date of Baptism / Birth: 29/03/1868
Address: Not Recorded Parish / District: CASTLECONNELL
County Co. Limerick
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Michael Keyes Mother: Catherine Hogan
Informant 1: Jn Keyes
Informant 2: My Ryan
based on this i sought out Johns Mother CATHERINE HOGAN, whom was born circa 1840 based on the
1901 census data - i have yet to download this data due to cost but i am sure that her record is there...
As for Margaret NESTOR, i have a birth cert which matches age etc, and the name of her second son but i
have a niggling doubt - here is the info, then i shall explain my doubts
Church Baptism Record
Name: Margaret Nestor Date of Baptism / Birth: 23/04/1876
Parish / District: KILDIMO
County Co. Limerick
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: John Nestor Mother: Bridget Hickey
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 James Madigan
Sponsor 2: Maria Wade
My doubts arise from there being a AUGUSTINE NESTOR, also resident in Clare St, on the 1901 census
but the ages are a little off and if the naming of childer runs true, then this could be John Nestors brother
- anyway more work needed there.
Some other info and thoughts i have :
I know that Margaret Nestor died probably before 1910 as i am told that John KEYES remarried, and i
have seen a photo of Gus and his brothers as young lads with their new and younger Step-mother.
I have not made any progress on this marriage, though i understand they did not produce any further children.
As for the death of Margaret Nestor, the certs i acquired do not match the circumstances of my Margaret Nestor t
One niggle,(Yeah, another) my Grandad always claimed that his Father / grandfather was a Lord mayor of Limerick,
which from the certs is clearly not the case, and i wondered if it could be via the NESTORS or HOGANS but i cant
see anything reliable - just a thought to keep in mind.
By way of completing the Story of Gus, he moved to South Dublin, married my Nan, Mary (Molly) Cunningham of Tullamore
and joined the Irish army. Served for the maximum term before retiring andworking for Aer Lingus. He died Christmas eve
in 1972 and is interned at Mount Jerome Cemetery, Dublin alongside two of his sons, Augustine whom died aged 4, and Frank whom died aged 17.
It has proven hard to get info from Aunts and uncles on Gus as i gather he was not the best of Fathers and family are reluctant
to speak well of him.
I have requested his military records from the Irish army in the hope it might throw up some additional info i can use.
Well thats me for now - I look forward to your thoughts on this lot!!
Athbhliain faoi Mhaise Duit
Slan go foill
Marc
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Hi , My grandfather was Patrick Keyes , i think hes the younger brother of Augustine Keyes and John Keyes . he appears in the 1911 census . Augustine Keyes was a member of the Royal Munster Fusiliers in 1919 and lists his next of kin as Mrs Keyes 8 Bishop St., he served for a year in Warwick as does John Keyes who served the Uk for a year Sandra.
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
.....My grandfather was Patrick Keyes , i think hes the younger brother of Augustine Keyes and John Keyes . he appears in the 1911 census . Augustine Keyes was a member of the Royal Munster Fusiliers in 1919.......
1911 census
House 1 in School Lane (Limerick No. 2 Urban, Limerick).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_No__2_Urban/School_Lane/649760/
Your grandfather born in Dublin. MMN Nestor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01721/1680901.pdf
John Christopher Keyes born in Sligo - 1900 MMN Nestor
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01965/1757960.pdf
Augustine (as Augustus) in 1911 census, with his grandmother and his uncles.
House 31 in Quarry Road (Limerick No. 2 Urban, Limerick).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_No__2_Urban/Quarry_Road/626491/
Augustine Keyes - Royal Munster Fusiliers - Service no: 7211872
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=IRE%2FNAM-SC%2F01068
KG
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Thank you for that information it was very helpful - my family also didn’t want to talk about my grandfather Patrick as he went to England and stayed there and had a second family but my trace is cold i only know he died in Fulham
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Thank you for that information it was very helpful - my family also didn't want to talk about my grandfather Patrick as he went to England and stayed there and had a second family but my trace is cold i only know he died in Fulham
Hi Sandra,
Augustine ( Gus) was my Grandfather, who settled in Dublin after serving in the Army until his retirement and then went on to Aer Lingus.
He had a first Son , whom sadly did not survive , named Patrick - possibly after his brother. Augustine has two surviving children - (*), 91, and (*) , late 70’s.
Interestingly, another cousin of (*) and (*) also left limerick only to settle in London ( St. John’s Wood )
I’d love to exchange information and photos if that appeals ?
Speak soon
Marc
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My Grandad, Gus, was born Augustine KEYES on his Church record
and Augustine KEYS on his civil record. Interestingly the civil document
looks like Gustavius KEYS.
It was Gustavius, born on 3rd October 1899 at 2 Clare Street, Limerick. MMN Nestor #413 His mother registered the birth.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02013/1773214.pdf
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That’s correct, Gustavius is the Latin form of Augustine
I have a photo of the Keyes children with Father and Mother shortly before she died - I thing Gus was only 8 or so when his mother passed - shortly after this he went to live with his grandparents as he did not like the woman that his father married.
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...... I thing Gus was only 8 or so when his mother passed - shortly after this he went to live with his grandparents............
Not mentioned yet but here's the link to her death-
Margaret Keyes died on 6th August 1908 at the Workhouse aged 30 yrs. She died from phthisis.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05483/4535595.pdf
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Hi Marc
i have found out more about my grandfather in the last few days. None of my fathers family will even speak about him (Patrick)
Do you know who his father married after Margerat died. My Aunts told me that when they visited their house in Bishop St, she used to keep them at the door and not allow them in . This now makes sense as she wasnt their Grandmother, but they never told us that. i have two uncles alive only
(*) who lives in London aged 86 (moved there when he as 15) but didnt conact his father ever and (*) who lives in Limerick in his 70's . None of them ever spoke about their Fathers family. i dont even have a photo of my grandfather to exchange with you nor do i know what he worked at , i only know he met another lady in london and had another family who we dont know about and died in Fulham in 1990 Sandra.
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Could you post the photo you mentioned also .
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Do you know who his father married after Margerat died.
John Keyes married Mary Jane O'Donnell in 1915.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09815/5564105.pdf
No children recorded to this marriage.
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All the best,
Trystan
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Could you post the photo you mentioned also .
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Hey Marc, did you ever find out more about this? My great grandfather was Michael Keyes, the mayor. Perhaps we are related!