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Title: ellis
Post by: abd107951 on Monday 24 November 08 20:00 GMT (UK)

Hi I am searching for my wifes grandparents, I have their Wedding certificate, which says they got married at the parish church in Peterstone super e?, in the parish of glamorgan on April 18th 1908, they were Frederick John Ellis aged 29, and Elizebeth alice Colman aged 21, it says that he was residing in petersone super  Ely, and she LLanharren, does anyone know where they were living in 1901, Also their fathers were William Ellis a collier, and John Colmanm also a collier, i would be very grateful if any one could help
                                                                                                                                                                         Thanks Glen
                                                                   

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 24 November 08 20:09 GMT (UK)

Hi

This is the only Elizabeth Alice Colman birth on freebmd roughly around her birthyear

Births June qtr 1885 
 
Colman  Elizabeth Alice    Yarmouth  4b 8

See below

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 24 November 08 20:12 GMT (UK)

IF all his names were specified on his Birth Cert, then of 10 Fred* John Ellis from 1877 to 1881, only one is anywhere near the area needed ..

Births Sep 1877  
 
Ellis  Frederick John    Monmouth  v11a p26

I'll see if he can be found on the 1901 census ...


PS. What was Fred's occupation shown as on the 1908 Cert ?

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: abd107951 on Monday 24 November 08 20:18 GMT (UK)

Thanks  for looking, i found a william ellis in West dean, gloucs, in 1881 with a son frederick ellis, i was wondering if this could be them
                                                                                                                                                          thanks again   Glen

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 24 November 08 20:21 GMT (UK)

1901 - RG13/4922; Folio: 29; Page: 23 - West Dean Monmouthshire / Gloucestershire
Coalway Lane End

All born West Dean

William Ellis 48   Head Coal Miner Cutter born West Dean
Elizebeth Ellis 59  Wife
Fredrick Ellis 23  son Coal Miner Cutter
Albert Howell 18   Stepson do
George Ellis 16  son Hod Boy
Henry Ellis 14  son

Tom Perkins 8  Grandson


so, apart from a 2 year age discrepancy, it fits - but cannot be proven yet ....

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 24 November 08 20:22 GMT (UK)

ah, post crossed - what was Fred's occupation at ,marriage - does it match ?

West Dean was Glos, then Monmouth, so is included in the Welsh section of the 1901 census.

How about Marriage witnesses - any familiar names ?

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 24 November 08 20:26 GMT (UK)

Ignore the Yarmouth birth reg above - IGI entry shows parents as Charles & Elizabeth

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 24 November 08 20:27 GMT (UK)

shame, just started looking for her in 1901 .....  :(

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 24 November 08 20:28 GMT (UK)

How about this one instead - Coleman
Births December qtr  1887  
  
Coleman  Elizabeth Alice     Bridgend  11a 585

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: abd107951 on Monday 24 November 08 20:30 GMT (UK)

Hi and thanks newf, unless it is a big coincidence, this seems like i have found Frederick John, becuase it was witnessed in the presence of George Ellis who pops up on the 1901 census, and also Florrie Perkins, whom we have a Tom Perkins grandson also at the same address, this is great news thank you again

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: Necromancer on Monday 24 November 08 20:31 GMT (UK)

Hi Carole - this might be her in LLANHARAN ....

RG13; Piece: 5048; Folio: 142; Page: 16


gorra dash !

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: abd107951 on Monday 24 November 08 20:35 GMT (UK)

Thanks Carole, all this info is coming so fast, i think this could be Elizebeth,is Bridgend  fairly close to LLanharren

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 24 November 08 20:44 GMT (UK)

1891 census Ynysawdre Glamorgan

John Coleman 52 coal miner b Somerset Radstock
Mary A 26 b Llanharan
Elizabeth 3 b Bettws Glamorgan
Edith 1           ditto
William Wareham 28 boarder b Radstock Somerset
RG12; Piece: 4451; Folio 66; Page 27

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 24 November 08 20:59 GMT (UK)

In 1901 she is aged 13 and b Llanharan.  She was working as a servant in Llanharan for the Morgan family

Sister Edith died

Deaths Sep 1893   
 
Coleman  Edith  aged 3  Bridgend  11a 432

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 24 November 08 21:15 GMT (UK)

Although the 1891 census image appears to show John Coleman as 52 - there is a line through the entry so he may have been 32 in view of this 1901 entry for Glamorgan - Peterstone entire

John Coleman 42  coal miner b Radstock Somerset
Mary A  35  b Llanharan
John H   10  b Bettws
William   8    ditto
Edith M  6 - replacement  b llanharan
Charles   4  b Llanharan
Thomas O   2  ditto
Louisa  4 months  b Peterstone
RG13; Piece: 5048; Folio: 158; Page: 5.
 

Title: Re: ellis complete
Post by: abd107951 on Sunday 30 November 08 11:04 GMT (UK)

Thanks Everyone  for the help, I have now got  the birth certificate for arthur james Ellis (my wifes father) and he was born on the 20th august 1918, at a place called Brynna, he lived at 27 southall street with his parents frederick john ellis and his mother Elizebeth alice (nee Colman) thanks again for all the help    glen complete

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: Necromancer on Sunday 30 November 08 11:13 GMT (UK)

good stuff !

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: paul01 on Sunday 08 February 09 17:02 GMT (UK)

Hi Glen

I have come across your query Re the Ellis/Colman family.

I have a William Ellis married firstly to a Beatrice Driver and secondly to Elizabeth Howells (nee Nash) who is my husband's GGGrandmother. The family are from Coalway Land End in the Forest of Dean.  On the 1901 census Frederick Ellis can be found living in Coalway Land End along with his father and step-mother. Also living there at the same time is my husband's Great Grandfather Albert Howell.

Out of all the Ellis and Howell children at least 7 of them moved to the Bridgend area, the first being Henry Howells in the mid 1890's. 


Hope this is of some help.

Sian

Title: Re: ellis
Post by: abd107951 on Sunday 15 February 09 12:23 GMT (UK)

Thanks Sian, William is my wife Alison Billingam (nee Ellis) GGrandfather, her grandfather was Frederick Ellis, and her father was Arthur Ellis who married Olive Rose Bateman, you are right about a lot of the Ellis clan moving to the Bridgend area for the mining. Frederick moved to Brynna, not far from where my wife was born in the village of Llanharry, she moved away from the area in 1987, and we have only just started to delve into her side of the family     glen