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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Fife => Topic started by: marythorburn on Monday 17 November 08 13:35 GMT (UK)
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Anybody researching Philp/Phillips from Fife that can help me
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just posted on the berrie thread inreply to your question.
Diddy
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what exactly are you looking for? / have already so don't duplicate?
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thanks for the info you sent.
what do you need help with? I can help with death / MI lookups or general stuff
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Anything that you can give
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Have you been on freereg?
http://freereg.rootsweb.com/cgi/Search.pl
if you put in just surname Philp and fifeshire either on births / marriages or deaths there is an amazing amount of info.
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Mary
Can I suggest a couple of things so that people can help you as much as they can on your posts:
- Give as much info as you have to date, e.g., I have made up names - a Robert Philips born c. 1840 in Dysart who married a Jane Smith, in 1870 in Dunfermline. His parents showed as xxxx. I have him and family in the censuses from that date......... You get the general idea ;)
- Also, include what documents you may already have so that people don't search or repeat what you already have. From the example above, you would have his marriage and census entries from 1871 onwards....
- Try to keep your posts for one family under one main thread so that people coming on to your post can see what information has been found so far.
People here on RootsChat have access or knowledge on a variety of different areas and you will find that more than one person can contribute to your posts with lots of different types of information which help in building the picture for you.
I'm sure you will enjoy your time here :)
Monica
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thanks
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Mary
Not sure if you are still searching for Philp / Phillips - just noticed your posting. I have Philps in East Fife - my 4 x G Grandparents were John Philp and Marion Mackie - they married in Elie in 1834. One of their sons - Charles - was a baker in London - in 1887 his wife died and some of his younger children were taken into care. They were eventually sent to Canada as orphans and lived their lives there. Charles re-married a few years later - but never saw those kids again. I have a fair bit of into on these Philps and many more. Please let me know if this lot fit in with yours.
Regards
Osprey
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Hi Osprey
Very interested in your Philp family knowledge.
My ggg grandfather was John Philp and ggg grandmother Maria Mackie
Married Elie in 1834.
I am related through daughter Katherine. My Mum named after her ..Catherine Philp.
I would be most interested to hear any info you have on the family
Thanks Suzic
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Hi Suzic
Looks like we will have a lot in common - I too am descended through John Philp & Maria Mackie's daughter Katherine - She married Robert Davidson in St Monance in 1866. Their son John Philp Davidson married Elizabeth Wilson in Douglas, Lanark in 1891. Their son Thomas, Bn 1897 was my Grandfather.
I'll send you a PM with contact details.
Regards
Osprey
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that is the family.
thanks for getting back to me
Susan
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I have JEAN PHILP born 1753 in Torryburn or Culross, Fife, married to GEORGE PATERSON, born 1763 in Torryburn.
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Hi Jeannie
So far I haven't found a Jean Philp in my lot - who were further east in Fife - around Cults in the early 1700's and then further towards the coast near Crail and Anstruther. Do you know who your Jean's parents were?
Regards
Osprey
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Parents were John Philp, 1717, Culross & Agnes Telford 1715 John's paarents were David & Margaret Strong, Torryburn
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hi jeannie h
heres some of the deaths for your ancestors
jacci
Agnes PHILP TELF: Torryburn,Pitsoulie 8 Nov 1764 wife John Philp(smith) OPR OPR 458
Agnes TELFORD PHIL: Torryburn,Pitsoulie 8 Nov 1764 wife John Philp(smith) OPR OPR 458
Mary PHILP Torryburn,Pitsouly 18 May 1749 daughter John Philp OPR OPR 458
William PHILP Torryburn,Pitsouly 16 Apr 1750 son John Philp(smith) OPR OPR 458
John PHILP Torryburn,Pitsouly 30 Dec 1755 son John Philp(smith) OPR OPR 458
Jean PHILP PATE: Torryburn,Torry 5 May 1824 widow Geo Paterson OPR OPR 458
Jean PATERSON PHIL: Torryburn,Torry 5 May 1824 widow Geo Paterson OPR OPR 458 Old Parochial Registers
as i didn't know which was your george i've posted both
George PATERSON Torryburn,Torry 6 May 1803 carter OPR OPR 458 Old Parochial Registers
George PATERSON Torryburn,Torry 7 Jun 1813 90 OPR OPR 458 Old Parochial Registers
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hi su and osprey
heres one for you, as its taken from the MIs you might want to put a new post up asking for someone to look it up for you. there might be additional info on it.
jacci
James PHILP Kilconquhar,Balcaskie 2 May 1849 age 3
son of John Philp\Maria Mackie MI's MS37478 Monumental Inscriptions
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Thanks Jacci
I just printed that off yesterday...strange that you should send that today.
Hope you are well?
Was looking at your previous posting about Philps.. I cant tie them in with my lot which is a pity
Susan
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hi su
i'm not surprised you haven't managed to link them in yet, theres over 1400 philps and variations.
anyone else you want me to check for?
get back to the 1600's and you might be related to the Laird of Kippo.
jacci
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I have Mackies in the family. Found a Walter Mackie who married a Catherine Redpath. Though strange thing was that on their marriage certificate....written as Rippith but an alias Redpath??
Do you have any idea why this would be?Be great if you could come up with some info.
Su
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hi
should have said that marriage took place on 13th jan1804 in kilrenny
thanks
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su
thanks su i was just in the middle of asking when it came through.
the name change could be due to dialect. they say it one way registrar thinks it should be spelt another.
jacci
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But why would they write `Alias` on certificate?
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just another way of putting name down
on the death index where they knew the wifes name its written as alias
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must be a dialect thing su no rippiths on death index
Katherine MACKIE REDP: Kilrenny 11 Apr 1830 widow Walter Mackie A decline OPR OPR 438-3
Katherine REDPATH MACK: Kilrenny 11 Apr 1830 widow Walter Mackie A decline OPR OPR 438-3 Old Parochial Registers
Walter MACKIE Kilrenny,Cellardyke 9 Jul 1818 day labourer Suddenly of an inflammation OPR OPR 438-2
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Thanks Jacci
Will make note of this
Su
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you're welcome su anytime
jacci
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Hello Mary Thorburn,
Here from my PAF are my Philp links ... I have more re-the living
1.George Philp .
George married Janet Littlejohn on 28 Dec 1775 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland . They had the following children:
+2Mi.George Philp was christened on 25 Apr 1779. He died on 29 Sep 1856.
Second Generation
2.George Philp (George) was christened on 25 Apr 1779 in Carnock, Fife, Scotland . He died on 29 Sep 1856 in Bellyeoman Farm, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. The cause of death was Dysentery.
George married Elizabeth Cummings daughter of William Stewart Cummings and Mary Branch in 1805 in Fife, Scotland. Elizabeth was born on 7 Jan 1776 in Kilconquhar, Fife, Scotland. She died on 14 Dec 1868 in Howfold, Fossoway, Scotland. They had the following children:
3Fi.Mary Philp was born on 23 Sep 1808 in Burntisland, Fife, Scotland.
4Fii.Euphan Philp was christened on 19 Nov 1815 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.
+5Miii.George Philp [Farmer] was born on 26 Jul 1820. He died on 19 Jan 1899.
6Miv.William Philp was born on 22 Aug 1823 in Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland.
Third Generation
5.George Philp [Farmer] (George, George) was born on 26 Jul 1820 in Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland. He died on 19 Jan 1899 in Saline, Fife, scotland. The cause of death was Cardiac Failure.
George married (1) Margaret Collier daughter of John Collier [Farmer] and Janet Reekie on 25 Jul 1858 in Beath, Fife, Scotland. Margaret was born on 1 Dec 1834 in Beath, Fife, Scotland. She died on 11 Jul 1862 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.
George and Margaret had the following children:
+7Fi.Janet Philp was born on 25 Mar 1859. She died on 9 Jul 1926.
8Fii.Elizabeth Philp was born on 3 Aug 1860 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. Elizabeth married Andrew Westwater son of Andrew Westwater and Elizabeth Harrower on 10 Jul 1890 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland. Andrew was born on 25 May 1861 in Clackmannan, Clackmannan, Scotland.
9Fiii.Margaret Philp was born on 14 May 1862 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland.
George married (2) Jane Coventry Murray on 28 Jun 1865 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland. Jane was born on 29 May 1823 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland.
Fourth Generation
7.Janet Philp (George, George, George) was born on 25 Mar 1859 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. She died on 9 Jul 1926 in Kinross, Kinross, Scotland. The cause of death was Carcinoma of Stomach.
Janet married Henry Swan Young son of James Young and Mary Swan on 17 Nov 1886 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland. Henry was born on 16 Feb 1864 in Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland. He died on 2 May 1949 in Crossford, Fife, Scotland. They had the following children:
10Fi.Margaret Jane Young was born in 1887 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland.
11Mii.James Young was born in 1889 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland.
12Miii.George Philp Young was born in 1891 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland.
13Fiv.Mary Swan Young was born on 1 Jun 1893 in Fossoway, Kinross, Scotland. She died on 31 Jul 1934 in Ottumwa, Iowa, USA. The cause of death was Cerebral Haemorrhage. She was buried in Sep 1934 in Ormanville, Green Township, Wapello Cty, Iowa, USA.
Mary married Lawrence Elmer Orman on 25 Apr 1917 in Ottumwa, Iowa, USA. Lawrence was born on 4 Mar 1882 in Ormanville, Iowa, USA. He died on 19 Dec 1961 in Ottumwa, Iowa, USA. He was buried in Ormanville, Iowa, USA.
14Mv.Henry Swan Young was born in 1897 in Saline, Fife, Scotland.
Aye
DDJJAKE
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We have a Philp family in the Phillips DNA project whose roots are in Dunfermline, Scotland. Here is the lineage:
1. Robert Philp b 1620 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland, m Issobell Cunynghame
2. Robert Philp b 3 Sept 1650 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland, m Jonet Gray
3. George Philp b 7 Sept 1673 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland, m Agnes Russell
4. John Philp b 22 June 1721 Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland, m Bettsey or Betty Weems
5. John Philp b 3 April 1747 Aberdour, Fife, Scotland, m Helen Greig
6. John Philp b 22 March 1767 Burntisland, Fife, Scotland, m Margaret Sharp
7. Andrew Philp b 7 Aug 1790 Aberdour, Fife, Scotland, m Isabel Hoy
8. Andrew Phillips Hoey b 29 Jan 1824 Inverkeithing, Fife, Scotland, m Ann Low Taylor
9. Alejandro Phillips Low b 25 Dec 1862 Scotland, m Maria Elena Arias Retana
10. Jose Ernesto Phillips Arias b 29 Oct 1905 San Jose, Costa Rica, m Irma Jemenez Rojas
This family is very interesting, because they immigrated to Costa Rica in the 20th century, intermarried with Costa Ricans and now speak only Spanish. However, their yDNA tests as Haplogroup I2a1, which is commonly found in Scandinavia. The presence of this haplogroup in the British Isles probably reflects the influence of Vikings. Here is a link to our website if you want to look at this particular Philp family, which is labeled as Family Group 54: www.phillipsdnaproject.com
Sincerely,
Nancy Kiser
Volunteer administrator
Phillips DNA Project and One-Name Study
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must be a dialect thing su no rippiths on death index
Katherine MACKIE REDP: Kilrenny 11 Apr 1830 widow Walter Mackie A decline OPR OPR 438-3
Katherine REDPATH MACK: Kilrenny 11 Apr 1830 widow Walter Mackie A decline OPR OPR 438-3 Old Parochial Registers
Walter MACKIE Kilrenny,Cellardyke 9 Jul 1818 day labourer Suddenly of an inflammation OPR OPR 438-2
I've often seen RIPPITH as a variant of REDPATH - showing how it was pronounced by working-class Scots - and it's common to see dialect spellings of a name in the records. Sometimes the clerk isn't sure how to spell the name, and that's when he will resort to using the word "alias" - e.g. in the East Neuk of Fife the surname MOTION appears in the late 18th century and you find it written as "MOTION alias MOSHEIM", which has led some people to believe it must be Norwegian. Most of the people who bore those names would have been illiterate, so they didn't know the correct spelling themselves, and they pronounced their names in dialect form with a strong accent, so you can see the problem the parish-clerks faced trying to write them down.
As another example, your Walter MACKIE may be the Walter born at Kilconquhar in 1776 to a couple whose names are spelt in the OPR (and IGI) as "James McKIE and Helan HAKERSTON". I've often seen MACKIE spelt McKIE and MACKAY - all of which are different names - "Helan" should be "Helen", and HAKERSTON is usually HALKERSTON, which in the 19th century is shortened to HAXTON.
Names are a minefield!
Harry
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Hi Harry
Thanks for message. I agree spelling of names are a minefield. Had same problem with Belfrage and Bonella.
Su
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Thanks Jacci for this information-Georage Paterson 1813 is mine & I had this as well as Jean. However all the rest of the details are new - it is always good to fill in another few blanks on my tree. Jeannie
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you're welcome jeannie always happy to help if i can
jacci
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Hi there Philp researchers
Anyone got Isabella Young Philp in their tree? She was born 3 Apr 1808 in Coaltown of Balgonie and married William Patrick 24 Nov 1837 in Markinch. She died 21 Sep 1895 in Thornton.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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hi chatters
does anyone have hannah philp born 1792 married to john stenhouse born 1797
married 1822 in fife. looking for her parents and siblings. i also have a william
philps born 1864 married to elizabeth adamson. james born abt 1850 married to
margaret mcpherson. and james born abt 1870 and married to janet/jane tod.
all of these philps are connected to my tree by their spouses but would still like
to fill in their families all are from fife
beans
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Hello: DDJJAKE. It excuses, to use translator online.My name is Richard Phillips. I am del that makes mention Mary Thorburn, of the Phillips of Costa Rica. It would mean to him Cousin, it believes that he is a little while very special and from already greetings from Costa Rica. I am 43 years old, I am genealogista for 25 years, I am member of three organizations whom they have to do furthermore with genealogy and LDS or Mormon. I have in facebook a page that is called: FAMILIAPHILLIPSDECOSTARICA, are about 150 members of this page, all of my family, confirmed by my, we are altogether about 600 people of my family who live today here, have to all the PHILLIPS inventoried from 1848 to year 2010, to All the PHILLIPS of Costa Rica, have 200 pages of information of the family here in Costa Rica, documents of National Archives, photos, of the first Phillips here, that was Andrew Phillips (its second last name was Hoy, by its Isabel Hoy, mother). I hope we pruned to share information, I have photos of 6 generations, that compose my patriarchal line. Of haplogrupo ours after three examinations to men it is I2a2 D-Isles, (Dinaricac) in agreement to Ken Nordvert, in information who we shared a year ago. The results estan in Molecular Sorenson Genealogic Foundation SMGF. In these months we will have the page Web of the family, with all the information who comment it compares so that it. It can write to me to (*).
Greetings.
Richard Phillips.
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Hi Costarica,
I have no direct interest in Phillips ... I was only trying to help someone who had :-)
Cheers
DDJJAKE
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to Chaid Fhiar
I have extracted the Philp bdm info from the FHC films for Markinch parish and the only info I found was their was a Robert Philp married a Lilly Young 8/12/1774 in Coaltown. Perhaps one of Roberts children named George who married Isabel Melvel is the parents. Researchers please note in extracting the Philp data I found many mispellings of the Philp Name.
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Cheers Lorne
I've got a copy of the CD and have already checked out the various spellings of the name for the whole of Fife. I do appreciate your input nevertheless.
Regards
Chiad Fhear
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Hi,
My family the Greig family of Fife have a seriries of Philps. James Greig dob 14.8.1788 was married to Christian Philp dob about 1796. Her parents were William Philp born 1753, died 25.2.1814 in Logie, Fife. His wife was Christian Kay born 1753.
I have the names of the progeny of Christian Philp.
Is this of any use to you?
Regards,
Greig seeker :)
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Hi
Thanks
The William I am looking for was born in 1846
Lorne
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Hiya,
Am just new here, so am not sure if I'm heading in the right direction!
Has anyone any info on a James Pringle Philp born around 1836??? I suspect it may have been in the Fife area, but haven't been able to validate this!
He immigrated to NZ in 1860 & settled in Timaru.
I have just started going down my late husband's line, & have only gotten back as far as said JPP...& have now got totally stuck!!
Any bright ideas please??
Thanks, Yvonne
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Hi Yvonne ...Welcome to rootschat!
General Registry Office, Edinburgh digitised OPR Birth Index
Birth - 30/04/1849
JAMES PRINGLE PHILP
Father - JAMES PHILP
Mother - MARGARET PRINGLE
ABBOTSHALL /FIFE
Ref. No. 399/00 0040 0305
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Old Parish Records...
JAMES PHILP married MARGARET PRINGLE
on 12 JAN 1846 in Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
OPRs of Children of James and Margaret (Pringle) PHILP
DAVID PHILP Birth: 17 OCT 1846 Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
JAMES PRINGLE PHILP Birth: 30 APR 1849 Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
ISABELLA LAW PHILP Birth: 29 SEP 1852 Abbotshall, Fife, Scotland
ELIZABETH PHILP Birth: 25 MAY 1856 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland
Aye
DDJJAKE
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1851 Scotland Census
Name: James Philp Hand Loom Weaver (Linen)
Born in Dysart, Fifeshire
Age: 28 Head of Family
married to Margaret Philp aged 26 born Abbotshall
Address High Street Links Abbotshall Fife
David Philp 4 son born Abbotshall Fife
James P Philp 1 son born Abbotshall Fife
Aye
DDJJAKE
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Family still in Scotland in April 1861
v.i.z.
1861 Scotland Census
Name: James Philp .... Cotton Weaver
Born in Dysart, Fifeshire
Age: 37 Head of Family
married to Margaret Philp aged 37 born Abbotshall
Address: West Bridge Kinghorn Fife
James Philp 11 son born Abbotshall
Elisabeth Philp 4 daughter born Abbotshall
Aye
DDJJAKE
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No James Pringle Philp with his parents in 1871
He may have emigrated before 1871 when he would have been c. 22 years old ?
v.i.z.
1871 Scotland Census
Name: James Philp Hand Loom Weaver
Born in Dysart, Fifeshire
Age: 48 Head of Family
married to Margaret Philp aged 47 born Linktown
Address: High St Kirkcaldy Fife
Elisabeth Philp 14 daughter born Kinghorn ???
Aye
DDJAKE
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Hi again,
Thanks for info...but think this James Pringle Philp can't be the right one! Those dates would put him as just coming up 14 when he married, here in NZ, Feb 1863!!
Also...I suspect he may have actually came here on the ship "Matoaka" which arrived in Lyttleton (Christchurch, NZ) December 1860, so therefore he wouldn't have shown on the 1861 Scottish census.
It's all a bit of a puzzle!
Cheers again,
Yvonne
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Although this freely available data from geni.com suggests it is the correct James Pringle Philp, it does not indicate anything about Scottish roots.
c.f. Attachment
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Hi,
...and yes...this is where our family comes from! My late husband was a son of Herbert Sidney Whyte (From a 2nd, much later, marriage!)
The reason I think they originally came from Scotland is just based on a 2nd hand memory of him (late hubby) saying (way back!) that his Dad's parents had both come out from Scotland!!!
Not a lot to go on, huh??!
Cheers again,
Yvonne
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My ancestors are John Campbell & Helen Philp, married 1757 in Dunfermline.
Although there are numerous Philps in Dunfermline prior to that date I am struggling
to ascertain her parentage. Has anyone else been researching this couple?
The only clues I have are that one of the witnesses to the eldest three of
John Campbell & Helen Philp's children (1758, 1760 & 1764) was "John Philp, farmer, of Nether Beath".I would guess John was either Helen's father or brother.
I have viewed a few baptism of Philps in Dunfermline but none so far give a John resident at Nether Beath. I have found a John Philp who was a farmer at Pittencrieff, married to Agnes Brough/Burgh with children born there in 1730/40s. Could this be Helen's father?
Any suggestions welcome.
Thank you,
George
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Hi
Has anyone come across a Margaret Philp who married James Williamson, grocer/merchant, in January 1779 at Kinross. I think I have all their children but do not know anything about Margaret such as her parents, date of birth and date of death. James married again in 1821 but I am not sure if it was his second or third marriage, he died in 1824 at Kirkcaldy and is buried in the old Kirkcaldy churchyard.
Any help with Margaret and her family would be appreciated.
Mixedup
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Hi again,
Have made quite a bit of headway since I was in here last (though I still have no idea about the 'Pringle' bit in James's name!!)
But our James Philp (b. 1836, in Ceres, Fife) was a son of James (b. 1804) & Elizabeth (nee Thomson) Philp.
Said James (snr) was the younger son of Michael & Margaret (nee Anderson)...they had married Dec 1801 & just had the 2 boys. Michael later though, went on to re-marry an Agnes Ness mid 1815...but am blowed if I can find any record of a death for Margaret!
Has anyone got any info, or bright ideas, that could help me out here please?
Thanks,
Yvonne
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I have come across the first Philp in my tree a Jane Philp born 1809 in Inverkeithing, Fife who married an Alexander Robertson in 1830 born in Dunfermaline. I am researching the Robertson line.
Does anyone have Jane in their tree please or know of her ancestry such as parents?
Does anyone have Alexander Robertson in their tree as I have some gaps which I would like to fill if possible.
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Does anybody researching the Philps have a Philps married to Peter Burt. On a death cert for Thomas Penman Burt it lists his father as Peter Burt mothers maiden name Philps but doesn't give her first name anyone have these people in their tree. thanks Beans
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Although this thread is titled "PHILP/PHILLIPS", I think almost every post has been about the name PHILP.
There was actually a family called PHILLIPS who moved from Dunbar in East Lothian to St. Monans in Fife, where they ran a cod-liver oil factory. Earlier generations of the family included fish curers and a ship's captain. In the 1871 census of St. Monans Thomas PHILLIPS and his wife have 8 children, so there will be lots of descendants. They married into the old St. Monans boatbuilding family of Miller, and a descendant, Jenny Miller MacDonald, daughter of the late William Phillips Miller OBE, writes in her book "St. Monans: Cherished Memories of a Boatbuilding and Fishing Village in the East Neuk of Fife", that the ancestors of the PHILLIPS family of St. Monans were a French family from Brittany called Felipe.
Harry
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Chiad Fear
i am researching the line you want! isabella Young Philip is on my son in laws line! parents = George Philp and Isabella Melville!
have sent you a private message!
SB
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I am still looking for the wife of Thomas Penman Burt her maiden name was Philp/s
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Also interested in philps from fife
my great great aunt was
Kate Hepburn 1895 ballingary married to xxxxx Philps
I am told they had 11 daughters and adopted a son
Kate's parents are George Elder Hepburn 1863 and Elizabeth Campbell 1868
Siblings - Lizzie Hepburn 1893
James H Hepburn c 1888
Bella Hepburn c 1899
I am trying to find any information on Kate and her family, james and his family and bella and her family
Thanks
Fran
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My 5x G grandmother is a Lucy Philp. I haven't been able to find an exact birth date but probably around 1774 in or around the St Monance/Monans area. She married William Wilson in St Monance in 1809. I am descended through their daughter Janet. I haven't been able to get any further back through "Family Search"or ScotlandsPeople than Lucy- although I appreciate that records before that were not that robust. Any suggestions most welcome.
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Hi all
Maybe related to all these and maybe not, but I've come across a little bit of a wall with this family and wondered if anyone can help out please.
In the 1901 census there is a Philip family living in Kirkgate, Cupar (GROS 420/00 004/00 021). William is the head and Isabella his wife, daughters Betsy, Mary, Belly (Isabella) and Whilrenince (who I take to actually be Wilhelmina) are also there, as expected. However there is also mention of a grand daughter Daisy aged 6. Have tried scotlandspeople and Ancestry to try and ascertain which the mother is, but to no avail. Going by ages I would guess at Betsy or Mary, more likely Mary, but can't find any evidence this is the case. Can anyone shed any light on how else I can find out please, or indeed is anyone else researching the Cupar strain of the Philp family?
Cheers
Stuart
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Dear Suzic and Osprey,
I am looking for some information on my mother in laws side of the family and saw your post re Philp.
in fife. She was also a descendent of Catherine Philp through her son Thomas who was born in 1875.
We moved to East Fife five years ago with no links to the area but have since discovered that we do indeed have relations from the area.
I saw your previous posts from 2010 but would be very interested to see what information you had on this shared relation.
Many thanks
Victoria
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Hi all
Maybe related to all these and maybe not, but I've come across a little bit of a wall with this family and wondered if anyone can help out please.
In the 1901 census there is a Philip family living in Kirkgate, Cupar (GROS 420/00 004/00 021). William is the head and Isabella his wife, daughters Betsy, Mary, Belly (Isabella) and Whilrenince (who I take to actually be Wilhelmina) are also there, as expected. However there is also mention of a grand daughter Daisy aged 6. Have tried scotlandspeople and Ancestry to try and ascertain which the mother is, but to no avail. Going by ages I would guess at Betsy or Mary, more likely Mary, but can't find any evidence this is the case. Can anyone shed any light on how else I can find out please, or indeed is anyone else researching the Cupar strain of the Philp family?
Cheers
Stuart
Assuming (a) that Daisy may be a pet name and (b) that Philip and Philp are interchangeable, I suggest checking ScotlandsPeople for a female birth with surname Philip or Philp (try fuzzy matching) in Cupar between c. 1894 and 1896. The SP index shows only one result i.e. Isabella Smith Philp born 1894 - possibly your girl ?
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Daisy is usually a pet name for Margaret.
It might be that Daisy is actually the daughter of a Phil(l)(i)p(s) son, and registered under her mother's surname.
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Kate Hepburn 1895 ballingary married to xxxxx Philps
I am told they had 11 daughters and adopted a son
Kate's parents are George Elder Hepburn 1863 and Elizabeth Campbell 1868
Siblings - Lizzie Hepburn 1893
James H Hepburn c 1888
Bella Hepburn c 1899
I am trying to find any information on Kate and her family, james and his family and bella and her family
Not sure if you've since progressed?
HEPBURN KATE/PHILP JAMES MENZIES 1914 - 410/1 50 Cowdenbeath
PHILP CATHERINE 74 - 1968 - 433/ 198 Glenrothes (matching ref. Hepburn)
Annie
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Well, here are 9 of the 11 daughters
Deaths, surname Philp, mother's surname Hepburn, all registered in Glenrothes
Joan Martin, 76, 1998 - birth 1921, Lumphinnans
Mary Dalgleish, 81, 1999 -birth 1917, Lumphinnans
Catherine Hepburn, 85, 2004 - birth 1919, Lumphinnans
Annie Hepburn, 79, 2007 - birth 1928, Lumphinnans
Isabella Keddie, 46, 1979 - birth 1932, Lochgelly
Christina Hepburn, 54, 1985 - birth 1931, Lochgelly
Margaret Hepburn, 68, 1991 - birth 1922, Lumphinnans
Elizabeth Hepburn, 80, 1995 - birth 1915, Wemyss and Lumphinnans
Georgina Hepburn, 80, 2018 - birth 1938, Leslie
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Hi Suzic
I am not sure if you are still using the roots site or not but I am researching some of our family history in East Fife and believe we have a common ancestor through Catherine Philp who was living in kilconquhar and then moved to balcaskie estate. Our link is through one of her children thomas who is my husbands ggg grandfather.
Would be very interested to hear your information and what you know of the family.
Best wishes for 2020
Victoria
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Thanks Annie , for this information , sorry for the late reply , i am picking back up on my tree as i am off work at the moment
Fran
Kate Hepburn 1895 ballingary married to xxxxx Philps
I am told they had 11 daughters and adopted a son
Kate's parents are George Elder Hepburn 1863 and Elizabeth Campbell 1868
Siblings - Lizzie Hepburn 1893
James H Hepburn c 1888
Bella Hepburn c 1899
I am trying to find any information on Kate and her family, james and his family and bella and her family
Not sure if you've since progressed?
HEPBURN KATE/PHILP JAMES MENZIES 1914 - 410/1 50 Cowdenbeath
PHILP CATHERINE 74 - 1968 - 433/ 198 Glenrothes (matching ref. Hepburn)
Annie
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Thank you so much for this information , sorry for the late reply , just getting a chance to get back into my family tree as i am off work at the minute
thanks again , off to do some more searching
Fran
Well, here are 9 of the 11 daughters
Deaths, surname Philp, mother's surname Hepburn, all registered in Glenrothes
Joan Martin, 76, 1998 - birth 1921, Lumphinnans
Mary Dalgleish, 81, 1999 -birth 1917, Lumphinnans
Catherine Hepburn, 85, 2004 - birth 1919, Lumphinnans
Annie Hepburn, 79, 2007 - birth 1928, Lumphinnans
Isabella Keddie, 46, 1979 - birth 1932, Lochgelly
Christina Hepburn, 54, 1985 - birth 1931, Lochgelly
Margaret Hepburn, 68, 1991 - birth 1922, Lumphinnans
Elizabeth Hepburn, 80, 1995 - birth 1915, Wemyss and Lumphinnans
Georgina Hepburn, 80, 2018 - birth 1938, Leslie
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Interesting reading the various chats. I’m hoping Osprey 28 is still using the site? I’m directly related to Charles Philp and consequently Walter - his elder brother by 9 or 10 years and therefore also a distant cousin of Osprey. In London Charles married Ellen Baker at St Botolphs. Ellen was born in the Hampshire village of Broughton where I now live. They had 5 children before she died at the age of 44 in 1895. Their second child John Henry was my Great Grandfather. Charles Philp (Marriage registration refer to as Philip) married his then housekeeper Janet Bryant and they had 4 children. The youngest being born in 1901 just three years before my Grandfather in 1904. Charles died in 1910.
John Henry - who reverted to Philp - had 5 children the eldest being my Grandfather, before being killed at The Somme in 1916.
Any history from Fife would be good to confirm as my tracing takes me back to Thomas Philp (b c.1688) & Catherine Dall (b c.1690) from Kennoway