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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: morminor on Sunday 16 November 08 11:10 GMT (UK)
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I have Ellen Mary Sullivan as my great grandmother!!
Yes another mystery lady of my family as I no history her either!!
She marryed on 29 May 1870 at Amberley? North Canterbury to David McNamara son of Bernard and Catherine McNamara from County Down, Ireland they arrived on Blue Jacket in 1866.
Ellen and David lived in Bellcairn for most of there married lived they celebrated there golden wedding anniversay. They moved to Christchurch before they died and are buried at brackenfield catholic cemetery.
They on a few clue I have on Ellen Mary Sullivan are that she is from Ireland.
And when named here youngest son she used a family name for him that was William Ambrose Brown
This is all I have go on in this case please help me!
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HI
1. Newspaper reports of the marriage for parents names and you have date, so does cert have no family info?
A Later David Mcnamara
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~ashleigh/1870-1908/1900.May.Star.Christchurch.BMD.html in that region.
2. An ellen Sullivan arrives 1865 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&srpos=18&cl=search&d=DSC18650216.2.5.1&e=-------en--11----2%22ellen+sullivan%22-all but sadly there are many Ellen sullivans on the indexes.
BYe
Althea
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Have you details of this:
Taken from the war census
Surname MCNAMARA
Given Name William Ambrose Brown
Category Second Reserves
Last NZ Address The Deans Amberley Christchurch
Occupation Shepherd
Classification D
Cheers
KHP :)
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Have you already the marriage details of William?
McNAMARA William Ambrose Brown
Date 1914
Folio 4603
Spouse CONNELL Hanora
Further enquiries to NZSG Brides & Grooms Collection
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Classification D = Reservists who have three children. So this should help in looking for births of children.
Cheers
KHP :)
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Wonder if this could be a son of William Ambrose Brown McNamara .... Ambrose Brown McNamara - the age fits with a couple of years from marriage:
Christchurch cemetery link
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?surname=mcnamara&firstname=&year1=&year2=
Cheers
KHP :)
PS: William Ambrose Brown McNamara is there as well, and his wife Honora
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Wonder if this could be a son of William Ambrose Brown McNamara .... Ambrose Brown McNamara - the age fits with a couple of years from marriage:
Christchurch cemetery link
http://librarydata.christchurch.org.nz/Cemeteries/interment.asp?surname=mcnamara&firstname=&year1=&year2=
Cheers
KHP :)
PS: William Ambrose Brown McNamara is there as well, and his wife Honora
Hi there,
I can go down to the cemetery and see if there isa a headstone form them if you like. If one is there I will take a photo of it for you.
Let me know please
Newbe
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I am a grandson of William Ambrose Brown McNamara, born in 1882, whose parents were David McNamara and Ellen Sullivan. Grandad Will married Honora Connell and had six children of whom my father was the eldest.
All my brothers are with me at the moment visiting. One tells me that our Aunt Lucy's story was that David came in from Australia, having jumped ship. We have records which show that Ellen Sullivan arrived in NZ either on the "Glenmark" or the "Matako". The info on the 'Matako" comes from an obituary in the Christchurch Press 22/9/1937.
Info re the 'Glenmark' comes from a note written on a copy of that obituary written by a daughter of Jack McNamara, Erica Hopkinson, who was David and Ellen's second son. According to cousin Erica, Ellen arrived on 21 January 1865 having embarked on the 'Glenmark' in the UK on 29 October 1864. Ellen came from County Waterford.
Like you, we have not found an entry point for David or Ellen. I have found in an Irish Census the fact that a Bernard McNamara and a Catherine Quinn both lived in the same road in County Down near Downpatrick which fits too well not be taken very seriously as referring to our great great grandparents who emigrated on the 'Bluejacket' in 1866.
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A rank outsider most likely.
I realize also that there are many Ellen Sullivan's who can be found in Irish records .. births, baptisms etc. However the information may be of use.
My great grandfather X 3 was John Sullivan baptized in St Coleman's Cathedral in Queenstown (now known as Cobh) in County Cork, Ireland on 28.10.1838. He also had a sister Ellen Sullivan baptized in the same Cathedral on 23.02.1840.
County Waterford is right next door to County Cork and no great distance from Cobh.
When visiting Cobh (Queenstown)Ireland in 2013 I have viewed the actual record for both persons in the St Coleman's Parish Record Office in Cobh and also have a copy of it. As well I have a baptism certificate for John Sullivan.
I do not have any further knowledge of Ellen Sullivan.
Alex G
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Hi New Zealander
This is main problem as there a lot Ellen SULLIVAN out there. and have very little information to go on.
Hi Vertigo
Yes that son call David and he is my grandfather.
Hi Kiwihalfpint
Yes William Ambrose Brown is youngest child and one twin son was Ambrose Brown. by mid 1916 he had Brian father and twin son. account for 3 children. three more to come include another set of twins
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Ellen Sullivan was married 1863 at Queenstown with Rudolf FELTON.
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Hi
Can you clarify please, whether you mean ..."at Queenstown, Ireland ??
Thank you.
~ Lu
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Excuse me, i am french and I don't speak English vey well.
The site of the marriage of Rudolph Felton and Ellen Sullivan is Queenstown (Cobh).The couples witnesses were John Tohan & Mary Coughlan
So I thought the parents of Ellen Sullivan was John Sullivan and Joanna Dignan.
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Arnaud Gabet
I am much interested in your last post:-
"So I thought the parents of Ellen Sullivan was John Sullivan and Joanna Dignan".
Do you have any documentation or other records to support the parents of Ellen Sullivan being John Sullivan and Joanna Dignan?
This John Sullivan is my Great Grandfather X 4.
I have done extensive research around Ellen Sullivan include visiting St Colemans Cathedral in Cobh (Queenstown) and could not establish any further link after her baptisim record of 1840.
Incidentally I have a copy of this record.
I also have a copy of the baptism record of her brother John Sullivan, my great grand father X 3 who came out to New Zealand. He fought in the Maori Wars around Wanganui and south Taranaki in 1866.
At the time of my visit in 2013 I was much assisted by the office staff at St Coleman's Cathedral and a considerable time was spent on this research in Cobh including other genealogy agencies. There was no other record of Ellen Sullivan after 1840 ... she had vanished !!!
Also another twist. Joanne Dignan's correct surname is DINAN. This was established beyond doubt if I recall correctly from John Sullivan's hospital admission records from 1920 in Christchurch, New Zealand.
You might also want to refer to my post about John Sullivan and Joanne Dignan (Dinan), John Sullivan, his sister Ellen Sullivan and my visit to Cobh (Queenstown) in 2013.
Cheers
Alex G
New Zealand
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Hello,
I have seen in this forum that an Ellen Sullivan was married with Bernard Mac Namara. So I am not sure of my infomation.
In attachment a copy of marriage of Rudolph Felton (german) and Ellen Sullivan at Queenstown in 1863?
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Greetings Arnaud
I am very certain of my information.
John Sullivan and Joanne Dignan (Dinan) are the parents of Ellen Sullivan baptised on 23.02.1840, very soon after her birth, at St Colemans Cathedral in Cobh (Queenstown). I have viewed in person this baptisim record and obtained a copy when in Cobh.
Neither of your Ellen Felton's (nee Sullivan) can be the daughter of John Sullivan and Joanne Dignan (Dinan). One died in 1885 aged 48 which meant she was born in 1837. The other died in 1886 aged 45 years which meant she was born in 1841.
The facts cannot be any clearer then that.
Alex G
New Zealand
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Further information
For those residing around or near Christchurch.
The Baptism records for John Sullivan and Ellen Sullivan siblings of John Sullivan and Joanne Dignan (Dinan) can be viewed in the Christchurch City Library and Archives under the Glennie / Sullivan Family History.
I donated those records to the Christchurch Library 2 or 3 years ago.
Alex G
New Zealand
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Hello Alex,
Thank you for your informations. Do you know the date of death of Ellen Sullivan wife of Mr. Mac NAMARA ?
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Nothing to do with my family and no records or other knowledge.
Alex G
New Zealand