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Hi guys, I am new to this site, and since spending much time browsing I am very much impressed by the resourceful help that is made available to researchers like myself who have come up against "brick walls" in trying to trace ancestors. So I am in hope that someone may just come up with some enlightenment for me.
My Gr Grandfather John Charles (Caleb) Bundy spent most of his life in the Services in various postings around the world, and as such is not noted in any census returns that I have checked. I do know that he died in1900 aged 60 and is buried in Malta in Tabraxia cemetery Valletta. The records note him as being born in Wiltshire. on checking with the freeBDM birth index1837- there is reference to John Caleb Bundy, year of reg 1840 District, Alderbury, vol, viii, page, ( it looks like) 230. Now this is the only reference that seems to fit the criteria, and I was hoping this could be the lead that I have been searching for.
Any other information relative to this would be much appreciated
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hi Wee Eeyin,
a Big welcome to RootsChat and the Wiltshire board.
Here is the 1851 census
1851 census
HO107/1846 Folio 230 Page 1
Downton
BUNDY George Head 29 Mar b Downton Boot and Shoe maker
BUNDY Martha Wife 42 Mar b Downton
BUNDY John Caleb Son 10 b Downton
BUNDY Thirza Jane dau 5 months b Downton
BUNDY Elizabeth Mother 53 Widow b Redlynch Pauper
John Caleb BUNDY b Sep 1/4 1840 Alderbury 8 230
Looks like this may be the marriage
George BUNDY = Martha NEWMAN Dec 1/4 1838 Alderbury 8 407
Cheers Kris :D
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hi Wee Eeyin,
Sorry I have not had any joy with 1841 or 1861.
Looks like although Elizabeth lists as Widowed in 1851, George was illegitimate
George BUNDY was baptised 1 July 1821 Downton mother Elizabeth
I think Martha was previously married
Martha MOODY bap 24 Dec 1809 Downton aged 1 year parents James and Elizabeth
Martha MOODY = James NEWMAN 23 Aug 1836 Downton
Cheers Kris :D
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Right I have still been hunting and when i still had no joy I widened my search.
It appears Martha and Thirza Jane both died Dec 1/4 1852 Alderbury and George then married Ann Eastman Jun 1/4 1853 Alderbury 5a 355
They appear to have immigrated to Houghton County, Norfolk, Ontario, Canada before 1858 where they are listed as residents
I note in 1871 Census in Houghton Ontario, a man who looks like it may be George is listed as head of household at Division 2 Roll C-9907 page 37
BANDY George 50 b England Wesleyan Methodist Post Master Shoe Maker
Using familysearch I see the family in Houghton in 1881
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
George BUNDY died 19 Sep 1899 Norfolk Ontario - he is listed as born in Wiltshire 1821 so all appears to connect
I see Ann appears in the 1901 census
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/District.jsp?id=94
Ann BUNDY died 10 Nov 1914 Elgin Ontario - she is listed as born in England 1828
I have just found this tree which looks good and agrees pretty well with what i have found to date, apart from the date of marriage to Ann Eastman ;) Lots of Childrens names and details from the second marriage listed.
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~ritterd/b/b530017T.htm
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi again Wee Eeyin,
I have been looking at this tree and checking on some of the details and I note:
Elizabeth Sarah was Ann's daughter
Elizabeth Sarah EASTMAN born Jun 1/4 1851 Alderbury 8 291 - Not Lincolshire as the tree suggests
also from this tree I note the first 2 children of the second marriage also appear in the GRO references for Alderbury which is the correct district for events occurring in Downton.
They were presumably still in Downton when son Elihu Isaac's birth was registered in Mar 1854 5a 184 and daughter Florence Sabina in Mar 1856 5a 175.
Florence's death nor the birth of next child appear so looks like an immigration 1856-1857
Listed as a shoemaker in 1855
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/caroln242/documents/kellysdir1855.html
A William Snelgrove and Elizabeth did have the 4 children listed in Downton
Charles bap 24 Mar 1822
Ruth 1 Feb 1824
William 25 Dec 1826
Hannah 14 Feb 1830
I do not see this marriage.
They appear in Downton in 1841 both aged 50 (William is a shoemaker) Charles and William are present.
Alas I just don't see George, Martha or John or even mother Elizabeth in 1841.
Elizabeth Snelgrove is not the same person. She is in Downton in 1851 aged 62
Hope it helps
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi Kris
Thanks a million. Wow ! I didn't expect feedback so quick,
I was told this forum was good, and no doubt it's those such as yourself that make it "pure magic"
I am sure you have put me on the right track now. Both George and Caleb are names that are continued in the grand children of J.C.B.
You have most certainly given me more than I ever hoped for.
Cheers Eeyin
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Thats great Eeyin, so glad to have helped. It was tricky but an enjoyable hunt.
I have found the immigration listed at Castle Garden aboard the "John Bright" arriving 12 Jun 1857
http://www.castlegarden.org/
George BUNDAY 36 Shoemaker
Anne 26 Wife
Elizabeth 5 Child Youngster
Isac 3 Child Youngster
Florence Infant
Destination 2880 is Canada
Alas John is not with them.
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi again Eeyin,
Another day and I think I may have found something very interesting. ;D
1851 census
HO107/1846 Folio 251 Pag: 42
Downton
EASTMAN William Head 48 Mar b Downton Chair Maker
EASTMAN Elizabeth Wife 50 b Rockburn
EASTMAN Ann Dau 21 Unm b Downton
EASTMAN Edwin Son 17 Unm b Downton Tailor
EASTMAN Sabina Dau 15 b Downton
EASTMAN Eneas Son 12 b Downton
EASTMAN Henry Son 8 b Downton
EASTMAN George Son 8 b Downton
This family are also not visible in 1841, but on reflection I realised that a large section of the 1841 census for Downton is missing. I presume it includes the part of Downton where these families lived. :'(
Listed as passengers from England to New York aboard The Palestine arriving 14 Apr 1855 were
John BUNDY aged 15
Eneas EASTMAN aged 16
So it looks like your John may have left England with his stepmother's brother.
Eneas appears to have made a second crossing in 1860 although not specified looks like with wife Sarah. Marriage Fordingham Hampshire Jun 1860 2b 927. Possible wife Sarah Waterman. His occupation listed on this crossing was basketmaker.
An Eneas Eastman took up land in Michigan in 1889
Cheers Kris :D
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Thanks and well done Kris. Looks like the brick wall is but mere dust now.
So John left home at 15 and went his own way.
It is possible that not long after he could have joined the navy and embarked on a career in the services, and account for his not being found on any census returns. Interesting indeed!
Cheers Eeyin
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That is great Eeyin,
I can't find any of the baptisms. They don't seem to be in Downton, but George does list as Methodist in Canada. I tried the nonconformist register online and no sign of them there.
I haven't had any joy in the census either. I thought that was about all I could find. Then I found this. You may already have this one. If not it should shed some light on his Naval Service. ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04u0/
Cheers Kris :D
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Hello again Kris
I downloaded the naval record, but unfortunatly it's not our John but a younger namesake. Could still be a relation though.
This John's naval service record is for a period from1895 to1919, when he joined the New Coastguard Service.
Details that I do have on Gr Grandfather John is that he was posted to Stirling in 1893. (He would be age 53 at that time ) to take the post as Governor of the military Prison there until his return to Malta in 1898. Prior to this he was Chief Warden of the Military Prison at Paolo in Malta.
Thanks again for your help
Eeyin
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Oh pity it was not the correct John. I had hoped it was with Downton being mentioned. :'(
I am sorry I have no idea about research in Malta. Looks like a mention re his job here.
http://website.lineone.net/~remosliema/malta_1888.htm
Wonder how long he was there. There are still a lot of unknown years then.....Kris :D
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Can't determine exact periods of time as his career took him around quite a bit.
I know nothing of his earlier terms of service, but in later years he took on positions within the military prison service. In addition to the forementioned terms at Paola in Malta and Stirling in Scotland, I know he spent a period of time on staff in Barbados at the Glendairy Military prison at Bridgetown.
His family were born during times at these posts . My grand father who was the oldest of four sons, was known to tell tales of his early school years in Barbados. He and two of his brothers were born in Malta 1872,74,and 76 and the youngest son in Gibraltar1878. So it would appear that Malta was the home base after several spells elswhere.
I also know nothing of his wife other than she was Maltese
I am sure there must be a register for B.D.M. at National Archives where information can be sourced. Any info in this respect would be appreciated.
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FYI
In my records I have a George Bundy married to Anne/Anna Eastman... Both born in Wiltshire and emigrated to Canada.
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Hi Rainbowchaser,
I see your family interests include Eastman and Moody. Looks like we share a family connection here.
George Bundy and wife Ann Eastman are in my ancestral tree. George is my Gr x2 Grandfather, b Downton 1821. Married Martha Moody 1838 in Alderbury, Wiltshire. They had three children the eldest being my Gr. grandfather John.
Martha died in 1852, and in 1853 George married Ann Eastman. In 1857 they emigrated to Ontario in 1857. My records show them as having eight children, two were born in Downton and six born in Canada.
you may already be aware of these details, but I would happy to share any info with you.
Wee Eeyin
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Hi there,
Sorry that I didn't reply sooner... I lost my mother unexpectedly.
I do have a lot of info in regard to George Bundy and Ann/Anne Eastman.
Are you familiar with a fellow in the US called Tom Palmer? He is a descendant of these people as well. We had been in contact, but lost contact a couple of years ago.
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Hello again Rainbowchaser'
First may I say I'm sorry to learn of the loss of your mother, please accept my condolences at this time.
On our mutual ancestor George, I have little knowledge on his life or descendents after he and wife Ann emigrated to Canada. My line of descedency is from his son John who didn't go to Canada with George and stepmother Ann, but made his own way in life resulting in several descendant generations now here in Scotland as well as Malta, and recently I made contact with a "cousin" in Australia. So the family certainly branched out since the early years in Wiltshire.
I am interested to know of the descendent line in Canada, if you let me know. I take it that you are of that branch of the family.
On Tom Palmer I know nothing , but I am sure he must be "of kin"as I do Know that the daughter of George and his first wife Martha Moody, Elizabeth Sarah, born1851 in Downton Wiltshire, did go to Canada and did marry an Ebenezer Palmer in1869in Michigan U.S.A. She died in 1941 in Michigan. I know nothing more on the others in the family. Perhaps by chance Tom might come across this post should he be interested in family history and get in contact.
John
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Hi John,
No, my line is directly out of Downton in Wiltshire... My grandmother on my mother's side is an Eastman.
Looking at my research I have as follows (but don't take it to heart as some info is still questionable)...
I am going to write this backwards... My grandmother first...
Dorothy Alice Eastman b 1915 in Downton, Wiltshire (my grandmother)
Father... Prince Leopold Eastman b 1885 in Downton, Wiltshire (d 1918 in Beirut, Syria)
Mother... Alice Dowding b 1888 in Nunton, Wiltshire (d 1964 in Sydney, Australia)
Father of Leo Eastman... Henry Eastman b 1842 in Downton, Wiltshire
Mother of Leo Eastman... Mary Ann Prince b 1840 in Downton, Wiltshire (mother of Mary Ann Prince was possibly Hannah MOODY)
Parentage of Leo Eastman proven on Leo's war records.
Right... Onwards...
Father of Henry Eastman... William Eastman b abt 1803 (AND father of Ann/Anna Eastman) (d bef 1890)
Henry and Ann/Anna were brother and sister!
Henry was also a twin to George Eastman.
Mother of Henry Eastman... Elizabeth Isaac b 1801 in Rockbourne, Wiltshire (d 1891 in Downton, Wiltshire)
RE Ann/Anna Eastman Bundy and Canada...
m George Bundy 28 April 1850 in the Baptist Chapel in Downton, Wiltshire
Possible children of Ann/Anna and George Bundy...
Elihu Isaac Bundy b 1853 in Wiltshire
Florence Sabina Bundy b 1855 in Wiltshire d 1857 in Wiltshire
Sabina Jemima Bundy b 1857 ONTARIO CANADA (possibly born bef toddler Florence's death)
Florence Lydia Bundy b 1860 ONTARIO CANADA
Marcus Henry Bundy b 1864 ONTARIO CANADA
Thirza Mary Bundy b 1866 ONTARIO CANADA
William Samuel Bundy b 1869 ONTARIO CANADA
I also have... (but I don't buy it... May be a "late baby")
Alfred Albert Bundy b 1886 ONTARIO CANADA d 1944 MICHIGAN USA
In regard to Tom Palmer... He descends from Ann/Anna Eastman Bundy but I am not familiar with is line of descent... I have a printed copy of his gedcom among my research files.
Many families left Downton sponsored by the Parish because work was scarce and the work houses were full. Migrating to other countries, particularly Canada to begin with, was encouraged to ease the burden.
Then after WW1 many lovely ladies migrated to Australia as War Brides. Leo Eastman died mere days prior to the end of WW1 due to Malaria. His widow, Alice Dowding Eastman married an Australian military man (Stephen Harris) and migrated to Australia as a War Bride and brought my grandmother (Leo's daughter) out here with her and her new husband. My grandmother was eventually adopted by Stephen Harris and was raised and married as a Harris.
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Hi Rainbow
One of the satisfying and pleasing aspects of piecing together the geneologic jigsaw,is such as this being in contact with family connections who can add to or confirm ones own findings on an ancestor search,and now I have a clearer picture in mind where our respective family trees connect.
I see now from your details it is Henry Eastman your line descends, brother of George's wife Ann. I already had a note of William Eastman and Elizabeth Isaac,and that it was son Eneas who went to America with George's son John (my gr.grandfather)in 1855, and I realise now it was only Ann of the Eastman family that went to Canada, I had no knowledge of other family members.I did note though from Kelly's Commercial Directory,1855 Downton,that William and Henry Eastman are listed as Wood Turners. http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/caroln242/documents/kellysdir1855.html
Also I have on my records that George and Ann were married on 25 April 1853, the fact that George's 1st wife Martha died in December 1852 would make this the more likely date. I also have Alfred Albert birth date as 21st July 1861.
I was interested to see among the names of your ancestors the name Prince. You did mentioned on the families leaving Downton as result of hard times on the Parish. In "The Downton Story" which gives great detail on this early 1800s migrating to Canada to ease the burden of the agricultural depression and an opportunity to start a new life.The list of the earliest emigrants to the settlement includes many Prince's as well as Bundy's. Check it out on Google it or log on to
www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/2932/
Perhaps you are already aware of all this, if not I am sure you will find it most interesting.
Regards
John
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Hi John,
I am very familiar with Carol (RE the web site you used where reference was made that William and Henry were Wood Turners). I don't know if this was Carol's mistake, or whether she got this information from elsewhere and it was the mistake of somebody else. Maybe somebody thought the furniture the Eastmans made was made out of actual wood... I have no idea.
The Eastmans were, without a doubt, basket weavers in general, but they did make furniture out of reeds or cane or whatever it was as well. Small pieces of furniture though - chairs and baby's cradles and such. But the main line of business was baskets.
They worked from their own home which was on The Borough ("The Burough" was the street name - like The Glade or such).
Bert, my great grandfather Leo's youngest brother (who married a descendant from the SMITH family) continued to weave baskets right up to his death in the 1960s.
Now, I don't know anything about George's first wife, but I did know that he had been previously married. Obviously I've not pursued this because he married "my" Ann/Anne and that's all I was interested in.
According to my information (which I most certainly do not swear by, by the way) Elihu Isaac Bundy was born on Dec 28th 1953... If this is so, then he was either an early baby or George and Ann/Anne HAD to get married (if you know what I mean!).
Oh another thing I forgot to mention to you was that it looks like George actually had his mother's surname... My research has shown George's father to actually have been a William SNELGROVE.
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Re.George's mother.
Elizabeth b.1794 daughter of Samuel Bundy and Elizabeth Newman gave birth to George on 1st April 1821.” Her son was born illegitimate, fathered by William Snelgrove, “a Shoemaker” from Downton. (Bastardy papers were issued against them at the time.) The child was named George Bundy. By being given Elizabeth’s family name George’s lineage retained the Bundy name, while resulting from her marriage later that same year 1821, to William Snelgrove, four more children were born, and they quite naturally bore the Snelgrove name. They were Charles, b.1822. Ruth, b.1824. William, b.1826. Hannah, b.1830.
An interesting thought is raised however, that, if had George been born within the marriage he/I and his descendents would likewise have carried the Snelgrove name. (Who’s lineage, with some interest, I am now prompted to research.)
Elizabeth Bundy/Snelgrove, died in Downton in1863
William Snelgrove, b.abt.1795 he died 1844 in Redlynch, Wiltshire.
I recently visited Downton and searched around the graveyards at St Laurence Church and also the nearby Baptist Church to see if I could locate any family graves, but my efforts were in vain as I found most of the gravestones unreadable due to erosion and overgrowth of lichen.
I did however feel good that I managed to walk around and see about the ancestral home. Look forward to going back sometime.
John
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Aah, now that is what I originally thought... The "base born" child.
Elizabeth's son was not the only illegitimate child born in the family lines in Downton. One of the Eastman women had a base born child as well... Funny thing, I spent ages trying to find "Base Eastman". Thought it was one of those unusual names (come on, if they can call a child Prince they can call a child anything!!). I feel like an absolute goose when I realised the child was base born and not named "Base".
Well, in reality, George WAS a Snelgrove - regardless of which side of the mattress he was born on. It would be interesting to find out if he was officially claimed. I doubt he was though, considering he lived and died as a Bundy.
Then again, here's food for thought... What were the MALE Bundy lines like at that time? WHERE there any male Bundys? If not, it may have been deliberate so as to keep the Bundy line going.
I've been to Downton a few times myself in the past. My grandmother was born in a house at Waterside. The first time I saw the house, I'd have been about 3 and it had a green door. When I saw it again at 16 the door was white... But the drain that rain along the front of the houses was still there and still uncovered.
I have also been inside the Eastman home/factory on The Burrough a couple of times. At the time, it was lived in by Bertha and Linda Eastman - spinster sisters whom I had known since I was 3, although they are both deceased now.
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Interesting. "Base born" now that's a term I hadn't come across before. Must watch for that one.
Elizabeth's parents Samuel and Elizabeth had 5 sons, Leonard b 1791, Henry b1796, Samuel b1800, George b1805 and Abraham b1809,and sister Anna b 1798. So the future Bundy name was well cared for.
I imagine George's conception was just one of these village "happenings" of the time.
I understand there were several branches of Bundy's and Snelgrove's in Downton, and, as was the case with other generations of families in the confines of village life there would be frequent cases of inter marriages and the odd illegitimacy.
Infact the Bundys and Snelgroves were already connected through Elizabeth's grandaunt who was married to George Snelgrove in 1761.
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If we think back to periodic times... All the villages and hamlets were on "main roads"... Usually dirt roads that lead from one village to the next... Easy access to business and marriageable partners.
Hence the fact that many spouses were from Nunton, Redlynch, Weeks and so forth... Basically they lived "up the road".
I have found that many families married into lines numerous occasions through the generations... Take the Eastman lines for instance. They married into the Smith family twice that I have been able to find.
Also, as Downton would have been small at the time (no doubt it is a bit bigger now) everybody knew everybody, all the children would have played and grown up together and marriages between the families would have happened over and over in most if not all the Downton families.
I have found that even though generations have passed, human nature remains the same. Illegitimacy occurred, but these days it is far more accepted than it was back then.
I still find it very interesting that George Bundy never seemed to have taken on the surname of Snelgrove. Mind you, it could have simply have been the case that Bundy sounded better than Snelgrove did... Taking human nature into consideration again. ;)
Mind you, back then the most concerning thing in regard to illegitimate children was recognition of paternity... If his father "acknowledged" George as his biological son, then that would have made everyone content and perhaps George simply kept Bundy by choice... Or, he did not like his father! :D
We could guess at this for hours.
Yes, do keep your eye out for the word "base" or "base born". "Base born" is a very old fashioned term. It stems from the term "baser instincts".
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Being unable to say with any certainty why George should have retained the family name, We can only guess. My guess would be that, his parents perhaps didn't have betrothal as an initial concern at the time, and as such had no marital home to offer, resulting in mother and baby having to be cared and provided for by Elizabeth's parents, and that George was kept on to be reared by his grandparents even though William and Elizabeth eventually got wed later in the year and would set up their own home.
Being prior to the introduction of census returns, we will never know.
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Hi all,
I was just reading through this thread on BUNDY's.
So far, I haven't seen any names that appear in my tree, but the oldest BUNDY I have was only born in 1848, so you may well be able to help me out somewhat.
The BUNDY's I have are as follows:
Thomas Bundy (born 1848 in Damerham, Wilts) (His wife 's surname I believe was TILLER)
- son 1 - George Bundy (born 1867 in Damerham, Wilts)
- son 2 - Charles Thomas Bundy (born 1871 in Damerham, Wilts)
George was married to Annie Dykes (born 1866 in Cholderton, Wilts)
Charles was married to Sarah Ann FRITH (born 1880 in W. Cholderton, Wilts)
Does anyone have any reference to these people?
Many thanks for your help..........my apologies if I've crahsed the wrong BUNDY party here!! :)
Paul.
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Sorry Paul as I am unable to help you in you pursuit of Thomas b 1848, although I am sure there will be a connection somewhere along the line as Wiltshire has for centuries been the recognised heartland of the Bundy's, and generations of Bundy families have worked and spent their lives in Downton, Alderbury and surrounding area.
Records I have sight of show, as far back as 1561 a son William was born to a William Bundy and Elinor at Amesbury. Other notable recorded events are ---- A recorded Marriage between a Peter Bundi* and Joan Durnford on 15th October 1573 at Britford.
A Marriage is also recorded on 11th April 1586 between a Robert Bundye and Ellynor Kempe in Salisbury.
A Christening of a Thomas Bundie son of John Bundie on 21st January 1592 at Chirton.
Also in 1592 a son was born to a Thomas Bundy and wife Elinor at Amesbury.
On 20th November 1593 a Marriage between John Bundye and Mary Wyot in Salisbury. (*Spellings of the name are as recorded.)
My own ancestry I have traced back to Nicholas Bundy b1707 in Downton. He had a brother Thomas b1709 and a son named Thomas b1737 and that name along with George feature regularly through the generations, so my guess is your ancestry may come along from that line.
However good luck in your research.
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Hi
Many thanks for your reply. I think I'm a way off getting back to the 1500's......but I'll certainly bear your reply in mind. I'm sure you're right, they'll be a connection somewhere, I probably need to track back a couple of generations to tie a lot of it together.
Thanks again...
Paul
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Hi "Wee Eeyin"
We were right......
On another genealogy forum, I managed to get in touch with a David Bundy. Due to the considerable amount of research you must have completed yourself, I'd imagine you may have come across him yourself somewhere.
Anyway, David sent me his tree (dating back to THOMAS BUNDY born 1688) who had 3 sons & 1 daughter (Thomas abt1709, Mary abt1712, Nicholas abt1712 and Joel abt 1712).
To cut a long story short....down the generations it ties in with my GG-Grandfather (Geroge Bundy 1867).
So, more than happy to put you and David in touch if you would like to email me at
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Also, if you're willing to share your tree I'd be hugely grateful....
Many thanks,
Paul
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Hello
Just bookmarking at present time. Just started my aunt's (through marriage) tree and she seems to descend from the Snelgroves mentioned. Early days.
Joan
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Hi pjbruen
I am related to the Bundy's you are researching. It sounds like you have found out some interesting info. The furthest back I have been able to trace them is to William I Bundy, born 1540 Amesbury, Wiltshire, , England. Let me know if you haven't managed to get back that far and I'll help fill in some blanks, or if you have gone back even further please let me know.
Cheers,
Hugh
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I am very familiar with Carol (RE the web site you used where reference was made that William and Henry were Wood Turners). I don't know if this was Carol's mistake, or whether she got this information from elsewhere and it was the mistake of somebody else. Maybe somebody thought the furniture the Eastmans made was made out of actual wood... I have no idea.
The Eastmans were, without a doubt, basket weavers in general, but they did make furniture out of reeds or cane or whatever it was as well. Small pieces of furniture though - chairs and baby's cradles and such. But the main line of business was baskets.
I noticed this post that said the information on my website about William and Henry Eastman being wood turners is incorrect. Although basket weaving was the family's main line of business, it is not inconceivable that a couple of Eastman's actually worked with wood rather than reeds.
The information on my website regarding William and Henry Eastman being wood turners came from Kelly's Directory, 1855. It is considered to be a reliable source of information.
Also, I have made mention on my website that the family was widely known for basket making. I referenced that fact on one of the several photos on my website of their basket weaving shop.
"The Eastman family was well known in the art of basket making. It was a familiar sight to see a bundle of withies soaking in the river, prior to use."
I have tried to make sure that all information on my website is as accurate as possible and source information available. Thank you.
Carol Nelson
http://www.angelfire.com/ky3/caroln242
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Hey guys I am a direct descendant of John Charles Caleb Bundy born in Malta and was a prison warden he is My GG Grandfather. Who is Wee Eeyin if anyone knows him or is interested in doing this family tree my email is (*)
Thanks guys waiting for your contacts.
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Hi Guys I think i found out who Wee Eeyin was its my Mothers Cousin but sadly he has met his maker but done some great research I will make it available to all family members as soon as I compile it here in australia.
Robbie.
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Hey guys I am a direct descendant of John Charles Caleb Bundy born in Malta and was a prison warden he is My GG Grandfather. Who is Wee Eeyin if anyone knows him or is interested in doing this family tree my email is (*)
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Hi John,
I am very familiar with Carol (RE the web site you used where reference was made that William and Henry were Wood Turners). I don't know if this was Carol's mistake, or whether she got this information from elsewhere and it was the mistake of somebody else. Maybe somebody thought the furniture the Eastmans made was made out of actual wood... I have no idea.
The Eastmans were, without a doubt, basket weavers in general, but they did make furniture out of reeds or cane or whatever it was as well. Small pieces of furniture though - chairs and baby's cradles and such. But the main line of business was baskets.
They worked from their own home which was on The Borough ("The Burough" was the street name - like The Glade or such).
Bert, my great grandfather Leo's youngest brother (who married a descendant from the SMITH family) continued to weave baskets right up to his death in the 1960s.
Now, I don't know anything about George's first wife, but I did know that he had been previously married. Obviously I've not pursued this because he married "my" Ann/Anne and that's all I was interested in.
According to my information (which I most certainly do not swear by, by the way) Elihu Isaac Bundy was born on Dec 28th 1953... If this is so, then he was either an early baby or George and Ann/Anne HAD to get married (if you know what I mean!).
Oh another thing I forgot to mention to you was that it looks like George actually had his mother's surname... My research has shown George's father to actually have been a William SNELGROVE.
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This is also my family line. I have lots of the orginal photos that I saved as my g.father had aged to the point he had forgotten many of the faces. I will have to go back through what I have but there was a brother Enos who came to Canada from Wilt. then to California. I have a photo of him and his wife. I also have a copy of the Bastardly Bond with Anne and Snelgrove (my line also). That is the title of it and George is only listed as The Bastardly Child. I also have a photo of William Eastman. (only alone no wife). I many photos of the brothers and sisters beyond my direct line. Sarah Eastman Bundy married Ebacanizer Palmer my 2nd great. I am willing to make any copies of what I have and help you fill the blanks.
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If the lady that replied back that we lost touch isToni from Queensland,
I did loose you new mail address. I had located Carol in England and was going to copy photos I acquired from my g.father John Palmer of George, John (brother of my gg grandmother Sarah Elizabeth), Ann, Alberta, Enos (Ann's brother who came to Canada then to California) and a photo of
Wm Eastman but most pics from there are Bundy's in Malta, Canada and Michigan. Then finally pics of Palmer, Bundy's and Ann Eastman Bundy while she was still alive. I have original pics of Ann and her daughter Sarah at different times through their life. If it is Toni that responded my email is email address removed by moderator My father told me that there were some of the Eastman's settled here in the thumb of Michigan. I am willing to share what info I have and copy photos for any of you need for your links.
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Hi Tom.
I am sorry but your message to "rainbowchaser" has sadly bounced back to us, it looks like the lady has changed email addresses.
I did google the information given but sadly could find nothing.
Regards
Sarah
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Re.George's mother.
Elizabeth b.1794 daughter of Samuel Bundy and Elizabeth Newman gave birth to George on 1st April 1821.” Her son was born illegitimate, fathered by William Snelgrove, “a Shoemaker” from Downton. (Bastardy papers were issued against them at the time.) The child was named George Bundy. By being given Elizabeth’s family name George’s lineage retained the Bundy name, while resulting from her marriage later that same year 1821, to William Snelgrove, four more children were born, and they quite naturally bore the Snelgrove name. They were Charles, b.1822. Ruth, b.1824. William, b.1826. Hannah, b.1830.
An interesting thought is raised however, that, if had George been born within the marriage he/I and his descendents would likewise have carried the Snelgrove name. (Who’s lineage, with some interest, I am now prompted to research.)
Elizabeth Bundy/Snelgrove, died in Downton in1863
William Snelgrove, b.abt.1795 he died 1844 in Redlynch, Wiltshire.
I recently visited Downton and searched around the graveyards at St Laurence Church and also the nearby Baptist Church to see if I could locate any family graves, but my efforts were in vain as I found most of the gravestones unreadable due to erosion and overgrowth of lichen.
I did however feel good that I managed to walk around and see about the ancestral home. Look forward to going back sometime.
John
Sorry for the Necropost, but it seemed appropriate to keep this information together and notify any interested parties (not to mention the original thread already spammed about ten years) Like some of the others above, I'm a descendant.of George Bundy through John Caleb and his son Edward.
The above information is at least partly wrong but wondered if anyone in the region could help me with look-ups on the remainder?
Firstly I can't see a bastardy examination anywhere in Wiltshire for George claiming that William Snelgrove is his father. Both Eeyin and RainbowChaser claim it but I can't find it in any public archives like Wiltshire OTP or Wiltshire FHS. Does anyone have access to a wider record that contains this claim?
Secondly the claim that Elizabeth married William and their children are all full siblings of George is wrong. Most obviously this can be seen in the 1851 census where Elizabeth (Bundy) lives with son George, and Elizabeth (Snelgrove) lives with daughter Hannah.
Also William dies in 1844 leaving a sizeable estate in his will to Elizabeth. Elizabeth Snelgrove is a reasonably well off grocer in the 51 census, while Elizabeth Bundy is a pauper. Elizabeth Snelgrove dies in 1855 - occupation given as Baker which lines up with the Grocer in 1851, but Elizabeth Bundy is still alive in 1861 now lodging with John Everly as son George had emigrated to Canada. Occupation is given as a Lacemaker.
Most likely Elizabeth Snelgrove is William's only recorded wife, Elizabeth Kennedy (married in 1820) but all christening records list her only as Elizabeth or as Elizabeth Snelgrove. The clue to confirming this might be 1851 census which records her as being from Fisherton (doesn't specify Anger or Delamere) so if there's an Elizabeth Kennedy christened there around the end of the 18th century it would confirm that it's her.
Perhaps I'm speculating too much, but would appreciate any insight from those better versed in the inter-family relationships of those in the parish in the period.