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Can anyone help with the parents of Elsie May Ford born 1893 Wolstanton. Also Ida Mary Scott born about 1905 also I believe Wolstanton, they were related, cousins I think.
Thanks
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Where did your Elsie May Ford marry?
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William,
Elsie May Ford married Edward Roberts of Hawarden Flintshire in Wolstanton Staffs around 1917 - 1919. Ida Mary Scott was second wife to Edward however they married in Hawarden I think in the 1930's. Elsie and Ida are related 1st or 2nd cousins I think.
Thanks
Gaynor
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I did a bit of searching for Marriages if Scott/Ford etc on Staffordshire BMD and Ancestry last night but I didn't find any.Elsie M Ford married Edward Roberts at Chesterton Holy Trinity in 1919 according to Staffordshire BMD.According to North Wales BMD Ida married Edward Roberts in 1931 in what is described as a Hawarden Civil Marriage.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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William,
thanks very much for your kind help. Presumably the next step is obtaining copies of their marriage certificates.
Regards,
Gaynor
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Free BMD shows the GRO reference for the Ford/Roberts Marriage as Volume 6b,Page 222.The Marriage took place in the Wolstanton District in the April Quarter of 1919.I found this Marriage on Free BMD on Ancestry but because of ongoing problems on the Ancestry Site in accessing the GRO indexes I am unable to come up with the Scott/Roberts reference.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hello Gaynor
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
There is this possible marriage:
Jun Quarter 1919
Wolstanton Vol 6b Page 222
Roberts Edward = Elsie M Ford
The certificate will give you their ages, Robert's occupation, fathers' names and occupations, and their addresses at the time of marriage.
Two possible births in Staffordshire:
June Quarter 1893
FORD Elsie May, Lichfield Vol 6b Page 513
FORD Elsie May, Wolstanton Vol 6b Page 101
1901 Census
RG13 Piece 3513 Folio 136 Page 43
29 Joseph Street, Widnes, Lancashire
William H FORD Head 36 Machine Maker & ?Feller b Warwickshire Longford Coventry
Clara FORD Wife 39 b Derbyshire Whittington
Elsie M FORD Dau 8 b Staffs, Kings Hill ?Wedenbury
Charles I FORD Son 6 b Worcester Stourbridge
or
RG13 Piece 2654 Folio 195 Page 29
51 James Place, Ogley Hay, Brownhills, Lichfield, Staffs
Moses FORD Head 40 Coal Miner Loader b Staffs Bilston
Sarah FORD Wife 46 b Staffs Bilston
Moses FORD Son 12 b Staffs Brownhills
Elsie FORD Dau 8 b Staffs Brownhills
Samuel FORD Son 6 b Staffs Brownhills
RG13 Piece 2651 Folio 9 Page 9
Dent Street, Fazeley, Tamworth, Staffs
George FORD Head 48 Engineer's Pattern Maker b Staffs Chesterton
Mary FORD Wife 44 b Staffs Chesterton
Ethel FORD Dau 18 b Staffs Chesterton
George FORD Son 14 Engineer's Pattern Maker b Staffs Chesterton
Elsie FORD Dau 7 b Staffs Chesterton
The marriage certificate will hopefully show you which family to follow up and which birth certificate to go for!
Kind regards
Gaie
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Given that Chesterton would be in the Wolstanton District Gaie,I would favour the last entry you gave.However it could be mere speculation until Gaynor has the Marriage Certificate for Elsie May.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Yep, I'd go along with that, William! The marriage certificate is your starting point, Gaynor.
You can order them here, just in case you haven't done it before:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Click "Yes" when you're asked if you have the references, and put in the quarter, year, reg district, Vol and Page numbers. They cost £7 if you have the references.
Do let us know how you get on.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Willaim and Gaie
Thanks for your help both of you.
Elsie May seems to be a popular name of the time in Staffordshire.
I will send for the marriage cert and let you know the outcome.
Regards,
Gaynor
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Hello, Am new to this chat so sorry if I am in the wrong place!
I am tracing the Mayers/Meres of Wolstanton and Norton Le Moors.
Elijah Mayer 1717-1790 the potter who was my grandfather x5 and the Mayers of Newcastle, High Carr,particularly Joseph Mayer ,1803-1886 whose father was Samuel ,and Margaret Pepper.
Any help much appreciated. I am sure these families are related as Joseph's brothers took over Dale Hall Pottery when Elijah died but I just cannot work out the connection.
I need a Sherlock Holmes!!
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I have registered especially to send you a reply. My husband is a descendant through his mother's line to Elijah and Rebecca (nee Jebb) Mayer. We have a family tree so is there specific information you need?
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Thank you so very much for doing this for me.
How shall we compare what we have got ?
Rebecca Mayer 31-8-1740-1795 is my great grandma x4. She married Edward Boon 27-10-1760.-18-1-1779
I only have ancesters recorded. For Elijah I only have his mother, Hannah Edwards 25-5-1686-,father John Mare.1-8-1687 High Carr Wolstanton
Then John's father John Mare died 21-2-1729. His wife Rebecca Smith d. 9-9-1690
I would love to fill in the missing gaps and make this connection to Joseph Mayer of Liverpool the details of which I gave. His brothers took over Dale Hall. I know Elijah had a son called Joseph also and there was a lot of legal dealings to do with his will.
Could we compare? In the book "Joseph Mayer of Liverpool." mention is made of a connection but the author is not sure whether they shared Elijah as some great grandad or uncle.
So exciting to have found someone else. Thank you for taking the trouble and hope to hear from you soon.
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Hi - We haven't had time to check this but the line back to Elijah Mayer that we were given is this:
Elijah m Elizabeth Jebb and had 7 children - Elijah, Rebecca, John, Joseph, Joshua, William and Elizabeth.
Rebecca m Edward Boon and had 4 children - Edward, George, Elijah and Ralph
Edward m Sarah Wood and had Elizabeth b 1799
Elizabeth m Thomas Leek and had 5 children - Elizabeth, Ann, Charles, Robert and Esther.
Esther m Samuel Blood and had 5 children - Joseph, Thomas, John, James and Esther.
Esther m Richard Mayer and had 6 children - Jane, Esther J, Lilian, Richard, Doris and Hugh.
Richard, my husband's grandfather, m Hilda and they had 7 children.
I cannot see a Joseph Mayer on the tree that would match with Liverpool but I will keep checking.
Regards
Maggie
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Hi Maggie, This is great.
Joseph's father was called Samuel, 1767-1835 His father was John Mear 1778.
My grandma was Eliza Mayer Boone 1888-1937. She held papers relating to Joseph Mayer of Liverpool and newspaper cuttings to do with his friendship with the Duke of Sutherland and Trentham Gardens so I am sure there is a connection. Do the dates help?
Do you have the tree for viewing?
Have you software that will import Gedcom we can send ours.
I have a family tree made by Jane mayer, Joseph's sister which I photocopied when I visted Pennant Hall, Joseph's house on the Wirral.
Thank you for your help, so close I feel to a breakthrough!
We must be related!
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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I've looked at the tree but I can't see a John Mear for 1778. Is that the right date as you have given 1767-1835 for his son Samuel. I do think there is a connection if we can just link into the tree.
I'm afraid we have a rather large, tatty hard copy tree recently found at the in-laws and we don't have Gedcom.
Best wishes
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Sorry John Mear 9-4-1738 says see will 1823.
He married Sarah Whalley 23-8-1766 Wolstanton.
They had Samuel1767-21-7-1835 (I think) ist mayor of Newcastle 1833. He married Margaret Pepper 1773-1859 daughter of the famous John Pepper architect (Newcastle)
It looks like Samuel had a brother John 1769-1823 Bucknall. and Felix who married a Elizabeth Saunders.
Samuel and Margaret married in Bucknall 1794.
Samuel had Maria who married a Turner
Eliza who married a Wardley,
Samuel John and lots of others 10 in fact!
This is a handwritten tree by Jane , Samuel's sister.
If we can link Elijah and Samuel I have the tree which links the family to the Lords of the Manor at Norton Hall. This is William de la Mare and takes us back to Richard the Lionheart!
If any dates don't tally, check back with me as this is handwritten as I say.
Best wishes,
Patricia
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Hi - I've looked again and can't make a connection as yet.
You may have a similar tree as ours goes back to the Doomsday Book.
If I make any progress I will let you know.
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
I see that see that your Edward is my Rebecca's brother. Will have to get hubby to work out the relationship of me to your hubby as I get lost!
It is late now but will plod on tomorrow.
Is there a way you would kindly let me have a copy of the tree? You certainly can have all that I have got so far.
I have only got as far as Ralph Boone marrying Mary?
Who had Lazarus 4-4-1681 who married Hannah?
Who had Joseph Boon 174 who married Deborah Glass.
Who had Edward Boon who married my Rebecca Mayer.
On Rebecca's side I go only as far back as John Mare 1729 married Rebecca Smith and Daniel Edwards and Jane? no date
For the Joseph Mayer when we connect, I have got that to 10 something .
I have been researching for about 7 years and it is about time I had a breakthrough!!
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Hi Patricia
At the moment what I have is in such bad condition it would not be possible to copy. It has three different parts and in total is about 8' by 5'. It was copied from a handwritten original and the A4 copies were stuck together with tape. The copied handwriting was never clear and the copies have come unstuck. As well as that the roll has been mistreated so parts of the sheets are actually missing. Having said that I am hoping to reassemble what I have.
Time is the problem as I am currently researching both our families and speaking to our living relatives - who are mostly in their eighties and nineties. I have your direct email and will keep in touch if I make progress and you are quite welcome to email me.
Best wishes
Maggie
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I have a Mary Ford who married into the Mares 1627 if any help/
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Hi Maggie, any joy with the tree.?
Have some further info from N.Z
Kind Regards
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Hi - I'm afraid I haven't had time to dismantle and start scanning. My husband is an illustrator and I have been typing up text. I finished it today so will try and get back to you as soon as I can. I will also try and find out if anyone in the family knows the connection with the Liverpool Joseph Mayer.
Best wishes
Maggie
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I am looking for Anne Mare, daughter of John Mare of Wolstanton. Anne married Joseph Adams of Lower Street, Newcastle, Fields House, Keele and Onecote, County Stafford. Joseph became Mayor of Newcastle c.1794, and he died c.1830. I have no other information on Anne, other than I think she died c.1836.
Any information on Anne would be appreciated.
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Update.
John Mear (9 04 1738) married Sarah Whalley 23.08.1766 Wolstanton
They had Samuel 21 07 1767 who married Margaret Pepper.
Samuel had Joseph Mayer b. 1802 Known as Joseph Mayer of Liverpool
Trying to connect Elijah Mayer 1717-1790, the potter, to Joseph. His father was called John Mare but that John was born 1687 and married Hannah Edwards.
I know there must be a connection as they came from High Carr, Wolstanton and Joseph's brothers took over Dale Hall Pottery sometime after Elijah's death.
On a handwritten tree by Jane Mayer, Joseph's sister, is mentioned Elijah Mayer (jnr) marrying a Jane and having another Joseph 1775 and says Amsterdam.
Help! Been trying to connect these two families for nearly 5 years!!
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The tree I have shows that Ann had 13 siblings - William, Jane, John, Hugh, Obidah, Stephen, Richard, Daniel, Deborah, Mary, Frances, Rebecca and Sarah. Her father was John Mare (brother of Elijah Mayer snr) and her mother Mary Palmer. The tree then shows the generations back to 1050. I have given the spellings as shown on the tree.
I hope this helps.
Maggie
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Thank you Caerfai and Maggie for your information. At least I now know I am on the right track.
Maggie, on your tree does it show Anne's marriage to anyone, in particular Joseph Adams c1758-1830. I found some information that shows that Anne and Joseph had at least 11 children, Samuel, Joseph, Richard, Joseph (again), John, William, Anne, Mary, Margaret, Eliza, Jane. One of these children will be my 2x Great Grandparent and is the missing link to my Great Grandmother, Margaret Mary Elizabeth Adams b1849, d1904, and who married James William Naulls 1845-1924.
Regards
Claire.
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The tree I have gives the following information.
She married Joseph Adams (son of Joseph Adams) at St Mary Buckland page 218 Adams biography of Fields House, Newcastle. He was buried St Giles 6/3/1830. They had Samuel, Joseph (1791), Joseph (1794), John, Richard, William, Ann, Mary, Margaret, Eliza and Jane.
It then says refer to Adams Family History.
Maggie
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I have just found the following:
Richard - Mayor of Newcastle
William - Freeman of Newcastle
Ann m. Thomas B. C? Surgeon of Newcastle
Mary m. J G Hammock
Margaret m. William Dean
Eliza m. Benjamin Price, London
Jane m. Mr Wroughton
Hope that helps you make the connection. Best wishes
Maggie
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Hello .. I'm a beginner with this, but so far, I've managed to trace my tree Mayer (Journeyman Potters in Scotland) back to John Mayer, who married Elizabeth Hodgkinson in 1793 in Wolstanton .... I know there is a connection with the Pottery industry but I'm now a bit stuck. After reading your post, I'm wondering if my John Mayer is Samuel's brother John Mare/Mayer born in 1769? Cany anyone help?
Hi Maggie,
Sorry John Mear 9-4-1738 says see will 1823.
He married Sarah Whalley 23-8-1766 Wolstanton.
They had Samuel1767-21-7-1835 (I think) ist mayor of Newcastle 1833. He married Margaret Pepper 1773-1859 daughter of the famous John Pepper architect (Newcastle)
It looks like Samuel had a brother John 1769-1823 Bucknall. and Felix who married a Elizabeth Saunders.
Samuel and Margaret married in Bucknall 1794.
Samuel had Maria who married a Turner
Eliza who married a Wardley,
Samuel John and lots of others 10 in fact!
This is a handwritten tree by Jane , Samuel's sister.
If we can link Elijah and Samuel I have the tree which links the family to the Lords of the Manor at Norton Hall. This is William de la Mare and takes us back to Richard the Lionheart!
If any dates don't tally, check back with me as this is handwritten as I say.
Best wishes,
Patricia
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Hi, Have checked and it looks as though it may be. If this is the case I can give you the tree to a long way back!
There is no record of his marriage on this original tree but it says b. (I think)Nov 1769 Bucknall and then scribbled is d 1823 see will 1821. Alongside it is Samuel , Felix etc.
How can I get your email so I can invite you to see the tree?
Pat
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Hi, Will send you a test e mail to see if I have the right one!
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Hi Maggie, thanks for the information which confirms what I had already found out, but unfortunately, there's still no connection to my Great Grandmother.
I already have a lot of information on the Adams Family history dating back to the late 1300's, but its the more recent (mid 1800's) where the connection is missing which is why I started with Anne Mare hoping it would lead me to my Great Grandmother.
Oh well, back to the drawing board, but would love to hear about any more information if it comes to light.
Regards
Claire.
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Ann Mare,
Hi,
Is Ann 1759-1836?
have you got her family lineage.
I have some more info if not.
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Hi Pat,
Yes, the Ann Mare I have is 1759 to 1836. Would love to have more info on her lineage. Thanks.
Regards
Claire
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Hi Claire i'm new to chat line and am trying to link ann mare but saw your note. margaret naull nee adams had 2 brothers alfred and john whilst marg was born in mile end stepney it looks like the 2 bros are from newcastle under lyme and their parents are john adams son of joseph and mary cooper who it seems was married to bowyer lockettkeeping it short till i know what i'm doing terry
Thank you Caerfai and Maggie for your information. At least I now know I am on the right track.
Maggie, on your tree does it show Anne's marriage to anyone, in particular Joseph Adams c1758-1830. I found some information that shows that Anne and Joseph had at least 11 children, Samuel, Joseph, Richard, Joseph (again), John, William, Anne, Mary, Margaret, Eliza, Jane. One of these children will be my 2x Great Grandparent and is the missing link to my Great Grandmother, Margaret Mary Elizabeth Adams b1849, d1904, and who married James William Naulls 1845-1924.
Regards
Claire.
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Mare/mayer.
found this site the other day and realised my work after ann mare 1759-1836 had picked up the wrong john mare.think i'm on the right track now have 3 john's going back to john 1660-1729 m rebecca smith.however can any one explain elijah 1717 at one point he seems to be john 1717 brother another as half brother to john 1687(all from stoke)
thanks terry
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Hi - According to the tree I have the Elijah Mayer that married Elizabeth Jebb had a brother John that married Mary Palmer.
His son, also called Elijah, had a brother called John and as far as I am aware neither of them married.
The line back from John and Rebecca Smith goes to circa 1050.
Unfortunately families seem to like to use the same names and it can become difficult to separate.
Hope that helps rather than confuses.
Best wishes
Maggie
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thanks maggie that seems to have straightened that out back to checking out some new names as you say the continued use of the same names can make it difficult the use of latin in some of the parish registers doesn't help either.
regards terry
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Hi my name is jayne my nan was called Ellen Mayer her dad was called William F Mayer his dad was called Enoch Mayer and his dad was Samuel Mayer and his fater was called Obadiah Mayer, is there any connection to any of your family's i have been guided to this site by Pat and the family are all from Staffs can you help in filling in the gaps especially with the Wedgwood/Darwin family and did they all produce china, I know Samuel mayer did many thanks
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Hi - I've looked on the copy tree and there is not a lot of information. The only Obadiah was born in 1773 and married Elizabeth Turner of Newcastle in 1803. They ad a son called Samuel who died in 1860. It says he was of London and had a daughter called Emma of Holborn.
As I did not do the tree myself I don't know how accurate that may be. If you are able to make a connection to this Obadiah I can give you details of his siblings, parents etc.
Sorry I could not be more positive.
Maggie
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Hi - I forgot about the Wedgwood/Darwin connection. I know that there were a number of marriages between the Mayer family and the Wedgwood family but the only connection I know of with Darwin is Maer Hall. This is on Wikipaedia: The large 17th century stone built country house and estate of Maer Hall dominates the village of Maer, Staffordshire. Its location in the district of Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire, England, is attractively rural, but fairly close to the pottery manufacturing area around Stoke-on-Trent which attracted its most famous owner Josiah Wedgwood II. His nephew Charles Darwin often visited Maer, and married Josiah's daughter Emma.
A manor house at Maer dates back to 1282, the owner then being William de Mere. The present stone house was built around 1680 on a slope above a small lake, or "mere", which gave the house its name. In the 18th century the landscape designer Capability Brown altered the lake in a scheme of pleasure grounds.
Maggie
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Hi Maggie
This is the line I descend from, Samuel was a china manufacturer and he had a son called Enoch Mayer, also a George Henry, Ann,Pamela,Rachel and Elizabeth, Enoch married and Ellen Greenbanks and her sister Jane Greenbanks married a Thomas Chatfield, and it was from them who married into the Wedwood family with a Catherine Chatfield marrying a Edwin Wedgwood and he was 3rd cousin of Charles Darwin,Enoch's son was called Frederick William Mayer and he was my great grandfather, he did actually move to London, I do not how they feature in your line up, Obadiah when he died they lined the streets and he did marry an Elizabeth Turner, I do not know how far back they go did they come from Meissen in germany and were they of Jewish descent, A bit of a list but I hope either you kindly or anyone else can fill in the gaps many thanks jayne.
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Hi Jayne - The Obadiah I have did not come from Germany. He was born to a long line of Mayers (also spelt Mare, Meare, Mere etc) from Staffordshire. As I did not do the tree it is possible that the marriage information is incorrect and there is another Obadiah Mayer.
I do not have any of the other names so I don't think I am going to be able to help.
Maggie
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Hi my name is Robert Leigh and my ancestor was Alice Mare ch 30/6/1747 Norton on the Moors daughter of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes who married John Ford 1/11/1764 at St Peter's Parish Church, Stoke on Trent, her siblings were Deborah Mare ch 17/11/1745 who married John Repton, Catherine Mare, Benjamin Mare, Mary Mare, Ellen Mare and Stephen Mare.
I am trying to find out further information for this Mare family in Norton on the Moors and see if my John Ford who married Alice Mare is part of the Ford family from Ford Green Hall in Smallthorne. A lot of clues found seem to point to this and John Repton husband of Deborah Mare sister of my Alice Mare had a sister Mary Repton who married Hugh Ford of Sprag house, Norton on the Moors which shows that the Mare, Repton and Ford families knew each other and socialized and intermarried along with the Adams family.
Any help appreciated
Robert
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I am only tracing the Mayer family, seem to be stuck at late 1790's and Obhadiah Mayer who's son was called Samuel
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Hi Robert
I have looked at my copy tree but could not find an Alice Mare with the right details. I have found the following: Francis Meare married Sarah Beech in 1681 and their son Francis married Dorothy Repton daughter of Rev John Repton of Stoke incumbant of Norton.
Their son Francis of Norton Green Hall married Ellen Ford the daughter of Hugh Ford of Sprag House and Sarah who in 11/2/1732 remarried John Rowley. (Ellen's grandfather 1642 of Ford Green Gent).
They had seven children: Francis of Norton Green Hall (married Ann Parr and was last to hold estate), Mary, Sarah, Dorothy, Susanna, William and Thomas.
The gentleman who constructed the tree did not go into such detail on this branch and it does not show all the marriages and children. There were certainly a lot of marriages between the Mayers, Fords, Reptons and Adams families. They also tended to use the same christian names
If you can make the connection to Francis please let me know and I can give you his ancestors.
Regards
Magie
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Hi Magie
In the will of my John Ford dated 1810 a yeoman of Odd Rode, Astbury it mentions his wife Alice Ford (nee Mare), John Mare and Stephen Mare of Milton, Staffordshire.
The Will of John Mare of Norton in the Moors a gentleman proved 3/5/1811 his executors were Mary Mare of Milton (i assume to be his wife, Stephen Mare of Stoke Upon Trent and Richard Dean of Burslem
and also the children of John Mare of Milton ie Sarah Mare . Mary Mare who later married William Harrison in 1811, Elizabeth Godwin (nee Mare) as she was already married in 1804 to Arthur Godwin and John Mare
This seems to show that John Mare of Milton and Stephen Mare and my Alice Mare are all related and connected to land around Sprag house in Norton in the Moors as you will see from documents mentioned below and therefore very likely to be connected to the Ford family of Ford Green hall and the Repton Family. I have the christenings which show Stephen Mare and Alice Mare being the children of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes but am still looking for the christening of John Mare of Milton who's will was proved in 1811 to see if he is their brother or a cousin. The fact that Alice, Stephen and John Mare are all mentioned on the will of my John Ford of Odd Rode in 1810 could suggest that they are brothers and sister.
Found these bits of information in the Birmingham Archives
Norton-in-the-Moors [no ref. or date]
Particulars of the survey of the Trust Estate at Norton, co. Staff. (Description of tenements of Mr. Repton, John Mears, Francis Mears and Woodhouse Lane tenement.) (Please order number 877) MS 917/207 1703
Abstract of indenture. John Sparrow of Newcastle under Lyme, John Hales, William Lowndes, Francis Mear, John Repton and William Sherratt. Relating to the working of several coal mines in the parish of Norton in the Moors, co. Stafford. (Please order number 2370) MS 917/40 1 January 1773 1856
This indenture mentioned above is interesting as it mentions in 1773 William Lowndes who could possibly be my Alice Mares uncle as her mother was Katherine Lowndes who had a brother William Lowndes aswel as her father being called William Lowndes and links the Lowndes, Meare and Repton families in business ventures
Counterpart. Assignment in trust to attend the inheritance. Thomas Bagnall of Newcastle under Lyme, John Fenton of same, John Repton of Norton on the Moors, Francis Meare of same, John Mellor of lpstones and Hugh Ford the younger of Ford Green. A messuage with appurtenances called Spragg House in Norton on the Moors. (Please order number 914) MS 917/1705 19 December 1707
Demise. Hugh Ford of Spragg House in Norton in the Moores, co. Staff., Francis Mare of Norton Green and Charles Brown of Norton. A messuage called the Spragg House with appurtenances in Norton in the Moores. (Please order number 1331) MS 917/1706 29 November 1756
No further details Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by William Grindey of land near the Spraghouse within the said manor to the use of John Mare of Milton and the admittance of John Mare. (Please order number 1841) MS 917/1707 26 November 1802
No further details Copy of Court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by John Mare of Milton of land near the Spraghouse within the said Manor to the use of his will. (Please order number 1848) MS 917/1708 8 November 1804
No further details Copy of agreement. John Mare of Milton and John Sparrow of Bishton and John Hales of Cobridge. concerning coal mines under an estate called the Spragg House in Norton in the Moors, co. Stafford. (Please order number 1849) MS 917/1709 16 November 1804
No further details Surrender by John Mare of Milton of land at Spraghouse within the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, to the use of his will. (Please order number 1866) MS 917/1710 27 February 1807
No further details Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by John Repton the younger and Richard Dean of land near Spraghouse within the said manor, to the use of John Mare and the admittance of John Mare to the said land. (Please order number 1900) MS 917/1711 3 November 1810
No further details Copy of court roll of the manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of John Mare of Milton to land near the Spraghouse within the said manor. (Please order number 1901) MS 917/1712 3 November 1810
No further details Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of John Mare of Milton within the said manor to lands near Spraghouse within the said manor. (Please order number 1902) MS 917/1713 3 November 1810
No further details Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the admittance of Elizabeth Godwin of Leek and Mary Harrison of same, to land near the Sprag House within the said Manor. (Please order number 2009) MS 917/1714 6 November 1821
(Elizabeth Mare married Arthur Godwin 18/10/1804 Norton in the Moors and Mary Mare married William Harrison 13/7/1811 Norton in the Moors)
Regards
Robert
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Hi I'm Terry Adams my ancestor John Adams was a son of joseph Adams and ann mare I have managed to link ann to 3 john's who married repectively mary palmer,hannah edwards and rebecca smith. I would really appreciate some help in extending this line.
Terry
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Hi Terry
I have a copy tree which goes back to Ulviet de Meiri of Norton circa 1050. It was completed by a member of the Mayer family and a photocopy given to my mother-in-law who is a descendant of Elijah Mayer and Elizabeth Jebb. Elijah was the brother of the John that married Mary Palmer.
Regards
Maggie
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Hi Maggie would it be possible to have a copy via email I just find it all so mind blowing when I started and began going past 1900 I was amazed . would really appreciate it
thanks Terry
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Hi Terry
At the moment I am still transferring it onto the computer. The photocopy is a little battered and in places difficult to read but I am doing my best. I can send you a copy or at least with my husband's help I can. Do you just want the line back from Ann?
On the tree I have your line stops with John and his siblings although there is a note to 'See Adams family history' so I assume it is documented elsewhere.
Will be in touch - this may be the spur I need to get the tree completed!!
Best wishes
Maggie
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thanks Maggie that will be great I'm ok on the adams line so its from ann that i need help look forward to hearing from you regards Terry
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Hi Robert
Thanks for the message. I've gone back to the tree and looking for the names and places you gave. Unfortunately I haven't been able to make any positive connections. It is about this time that the tree gets very extensive and is not so detailed about the extended family. If you get any more information get back to me and I will look again. In the meantime if I find out anything I will let you know.
Best wishes
Maggie
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Hi Maggie
If its not too much trouble I would greatly appreciate a copy of the Mayer tree that you have back to c. 1050 as I'm trying to find the parents of Jana Meare b. c. 1571 Norton in the Moors who married Johannes Poynton (my 9 x great grandparents).
I recently bought the Norton parish registers CD but unfortunately it only goes back to 1574 (so near and yet so far); the actual registers probably go back to 1558 with a copy made in 1598 by Hugh Meare, then Curate of Norton.
Any help very much appreciated .
Best wishes - Joan
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Sorry for the delay in replying. I have looked at the tree and cannot immediately see that name but when I get it onto the computer I will send the relevant section to you.
Maggie
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Hi Maggie
Thanks for taking the trouble to look..... I appreciate it and look forward to getting a copy in due course.
Best wishes - Joan
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Hi Maggie-still searching!
Do you have any info for John Mear (1738-1823)who married Sarah Whalley?
He was the father of Samuel 1767-1838 who married Margaret Pepper.
I am trying to find John Mear's father.
Thanks
Pat
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Hi All
You will find information about the parish of Norton in the Moors (including a parish map) on my website at www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk.
Manorial records for Norton are held in the special collections dept of Keele University.
regards
Bill
(in cold damp Norton in the Moors)
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Thank you so much Bill.
I have loads to ask about Norton as both sides came from there-including those who lived at Norton Hall and the Yarwoods.
I have a real mystery with the Mayers which I have been trying to clear up for years. If you fancy challenging the "little grey cells" please let me know!
Kind Regards,
Pat - from equally cold, foggy, damp Lancashire Pennine Moors!!!!
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Hi Bill, I have just joined the Birmingham and Midland and my dad was a water engineer with first Cheadle Rural District until they went to Severn Trent and then with them for years until he retired!
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Hi Pat
I was with Cheadle RDC too ..... what was his name ?
If you wish to contact me of list at bill@harrisongenealogy.co.uk I will try and help you.
regards
Bill
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Hi,
Can anyone help with this Mayer side?
I Have an Abel Mayer b.ca.1844 where? married an Elizabeth Cope 1863 St.John Burslem, he died ca.1866 maybe Kidsgrove. On IGI it shows Abel's father as Elijah, but can't find a marriage or children.
Elizabeth's parents William Cope ca.1800 and Sarah Mayer ca.1811 (no other details), married 1835 Wolstanton.
Elizabeth married a Joseph Smith (my side) no children in either marriage found.
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Hi Becky,
I have a contact doing this tree. I will contact her now for you.
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Hi Becky,
I have only just found out about your tree from Patrica, she is a lovely lady and been a great inspiration to me, she will contact you again soon, It looks very much like my relative Abel , Patricia will be in touch, as I have loads on my tree that may be of interest to you Kind Regards Nita
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Hi Beckey,
Nita has kindly given me her e mail to pass on
nita.middleton@ntlworld.com
Are you on Ancestry.co as i can send out an invitation to look at the trees if you give me your e mail?
I will have a look for you in the meantime.
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Name Age
Elizah Mayer 33
Eliza Mayer 32
Samuel Hancock 13
Josiah N Mayer 11
Carin Mayer 10
Abel Mayer 6
Enoch Mayer 4
James Mayer 1
Taken from the 1851 Elijah spelt wrongly! I think "Carin" is supposed to be Cain.
Looks like Elijah was born 1812 and there is a death Wolstanton 1879.
Elijah and family living at Williamson Street, tunstall and occupation Blacksmith.
On the 1851 and 61 census living with Abel.
Abel and Elizabeth marriage 6b 129 1863 Wolstanton district
Any good?
Kind Regards,
Patricia
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Hi caerfai,
Thanks for the info. thought they may have been in Burslem, will have to go back to Wolstanton 1851.
Will contact Nita.
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Okay. I think it gets confusing when Wolstanton is mentioned but the district covers Tunstall etc.
There can't be too many Cain and Abels out there!!!
Kind regards,
Patricia
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This is a long shot but is anyone still looking at this thread. I have been trying to find a connection to my family for years, but without luck, even on this website.
Del
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Hi Everyone,
I am seeking information on Obadiah Mayer, b.1799 Uttoxeter, who married Jane Blood in 1821 (per IGE). Their family can be found in Spiceal Street Uttoxeter in censuses 1841 onwards (Obadiah was a ''dealer in earthenware'').
It seems likely that this Obadiah is linked in some way to the various Mayer families discussed on this thread, but to date I have been unable to uncover his parents.
Any help or information gratefully received.
Regards
WC
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Your Birth is on Staffs BMD website if you click on the code on the righthand side and print off the generated form you can then send it together with your £7 to the RegistrarsOffice shown on the form
NB - fees increase to £9.25 at begining of April
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Brilliant - many thanks Bill.
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I think Obadiah's parents may have been John Mayer and Mary Palmer. John was a brother to Elijah Mayer. If this is correct and you can confirm I have a family tree for the Mayer family.
Best wishes
Maggie
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I was going to suggest Maggie as she has loads on this but I see you have posted Maggie whilst I was typing!
Maggie- have you managed to get the info on a disc yet?
Hope you are well.
Kindest Regards,
Patricia
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Hi Patricia and Maggie,
From your earlier posts, it looks like Obadiah son of John and Mary Palmer was born 1773, and married Elizabeth Turner of Newcastle in 1803. My Obadiah is born 1799, so maybe not linked?
Hi Bill - looked on Staffs BMD and births only go back to 1837 - am I missing something? :-[
Thanks to all :)
WC
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Hi ,
Looking at the age difference-could it be a son?
Patricia
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Hi Patricia
I'm hoping so ! Who else would call their boy Obadiah? :)
WC
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Precisely!!! Same one who calls his boys Cain and Abel!!!
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Hi WC
Below is some information for a place called Spragg House , Norton on the Moors
It mentions Obediah Mare of Spragg House who your Obediah may be a descendant of.
I descend from Alice Mare born 1747 daughter of John Mare and Katherine Lowndes who married John Ford. The sister of Alice Mare was Deborah Mare who married John Repton, now the sister of John Repton called Mary Repton married Hugh Ford of Spragg House so my ancestors may be related to Obediah Mare and Hugh Ford.
A Stephen Mare is mentioned in the wills of my John Ford and John Mare of Milton 1810 and the brother of my Alice Mare was called Stephen therefore Spragg House could hold alot of clues to my ancestry
I think that John Mare who died 1810 could also be another brother of my Alice Mare as his will mentions his exectutors his wife Mary Mare of Milton, Stephen Mare of Stoke on Trent and Richard Dean, he also mentions his son and daughters two of which married Arthur Godwin and William Gallimore Harrison.
All these people are mentioned in land deals for Spragg House and with it all starting in 1700 with Obediah Mare this may be an ancestor we both share ?
Spragg House [no ref. or date]
Folder icon Assignment of lease. Obediah Mare of Spragg House in Norton in the Moors, co. Staff., husbandman, to Richard Parratt of Bignall hill, co. Staff., yeoman. A messuage called the Sprage howse near Fordgreene in the parish of Norton, co. Staff. (Please order number 857) MS 917/1704 16 June 12 Will III [1700]
Regards
Robert
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I notice from a previous post from Becky that Cope is related to Mayer, I have a James Cope c 1820 Wolstanton who had a daughter Ann Cope. Does anyone know if there is James Cope or Ann Cope related to the Mayer family .
Del
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Hello Robert,
Many thanks for your post - this is firm evidence of the name going back around four more generations from my Obadiah b.1799 Uttoxeter, so I have a lot more digging to do.
A simple Google Search for ''Spragg House, Norton'' yielded this discussion on the ''fford family website'', which I post in case you haven't seen it.
http://fford.me.uk/ffh/john-ford-1683-1728.html
Del - Hello - I don't have a James or Ann Cope, but Obadiah Mayer b.1799 Uttoxeter married Jane Blood b. 1800. Jane's mother was Prudence nee Cope b.1759 Uttoxeter. Prudence's line goes back through Thomas Cope b.1733 Leigh, Thomas Cope b. 1702 Uttoxeter, Thomas Cope b.1669 Abbotts Bromley, Samuel Cope b.1638 Abbotts Bromley (so this Cope family unfortunately all in the Uttoxeter area, rather than Wolstanton).
Best Regards
WC
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Thank you WC when you said Leigh did you mean in Satffs, as I come from Leigh but in Lancs.
Del
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Hi Del
These Leighs are just outside Uttoxeter - Upper Leigh, Lower Leigh, Church Leigh, Dod's Leigh.
All the best
WC
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Thank you. I am going to check these Copes out and see if they are related to me. My Copes are related to the Mayer family somewhere along the line and I am determined to find it. I shall keep looking!!
Many thanks.
Del
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Hi Del
Clearly there is a connection between the Mayers and Bloods. The Mayer tree we have shows that Rebecca Mare m Edward Boon. Their son Edward m Sarah Wood at Newcastle. Their daughter Elizabeth m Thomas Leek. Their daughter Esther m Samuel Blood in Hanley. Their daughter Esther m Richard Mayer who is my husband's great grandfather.
Maggie
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Oh my goodness this is getting bigger and bigger. I haven't found any Bloods in my Cope tree but then again I haven't found any Mayers either ???
Del
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Del/Maggie
IGE has the marriage of Esther Leek and Samuel Blood dated 1858 Northwood, Stoke (= Hanley). My Jane Blood b. 1800 Uttoxeter had 4 brothers including a Samuel b.1797, so I will now try to find out if Maggie's Samuel was a nephew of Jane.
Regards
WC
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Hi WC - If you can confirm the connection I can give details of their children and descendants.
Maggie
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Del - To make it even bigger there is a connection between Copes and Reptons. John and Mary (1799) Cope's daughter Sarah (1834) married a Thomas Repton. In 1708 Dorothy Repton, daughter of Rev John Repton Rector of Stoke and incumbent of Norton married Francis Meare (corruption of Mayer) of Norton Green Hall. The problem is making the connections.
Patricia - The tree is nearly complete but currently to print about a metre square!!!!
Maggie
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You are right Maggie.
I am positive there is a connection. In the 50's my Mum & Dad went to the potteries with various other people at various times looking into the lost will of Joseph Mayer. As I have looked into various branches of my Dad's tree Cope is the only one that I have seen that is familiar. Sadly I now have no-one to ask as they are all dead.
Del
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Hi Maggie/Del,
No luck with my ''Blood line'' I'm afraid. Jane Blood b.1800 Uttoxeter did have a brother called Samuel b.1797 Uttoxeter who married Elizabeth Archer (of Chester) in Uttoxeter 1822. This Samuel Blood died in Uttoxeter in 1843 aged 46, and his son Samuel Blood b.1838 (Jane's nephew) died unmarried in Uttoxeter in 1861 aged 23.
So my Bloods are firmly rooted in Uttoxeter, and are not linked obviously to the Samuel Blood who married Esther Leek in Hanley in 1858. :(
Regards
WC
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Hi Maggie,
I thought it would be a large tree-will e mail you.
Pat
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Hi WC
I found this marriage which might be of interest to you
OBADIAH MARE to Sarah Blewer - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 01 DEC 1793 Whitmore, Stafford, England
(surname Blewer may also be Bloor)
My Ancestor Alice Mare who married John Ford in Stoke on trent 1/11/1764 had a sister Deborah Mare who married John Repton at the same church in Whitmore, Staffordshire
DEBORAH MARE to John Repton - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 14 JUL 1763 Whitmore, Stafford, England
It could be possible that Obadiah Mare and my Alice Mare and her sister Deborah Mare are related somehow given the location where they married in Whitmore, Staffordshire
Regards
Robert
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Note you said WHITMORE ... don't forget that Whitmore along with Norton in the Moors was like a "Gretna Green" with 2 or 3 times as many marriages you would expect from villages of their size. The clergy there would marry anyone with no questions asked .. provided of course they paid the fees!
regards
Bill (www.harrisongenealogy.co.uk)
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Robert,
Thanks very much for the intriguing Obadiah Mare/Sarah Blewer marriage in Whitmore, which led me directly on IGE to Obadiah Mare b.Sept 1798 in Trentham, son of Obadiah and Sarah. I agree that it seems possible that these 2 Obadiahs are linked to your Spragg House Mare family.
The Trentham Obadiah Mare b.1798 is exactly the right age for my Uttoxeter Obadiah Mayer (who for example is recorded in 31 March 1851 census as being 52 years old), but the place of birth being Trentham still bothers me as my Obadiah is consistently recorded in all censuses as having been born in Uttoxeter.
However, I can't see any other Obadiah Mare/Mayers in the 1841 census (in fact there aren't many Obadiah's in England!). Also there is a strong reason for my Obadiah ending up in Uttoxeter, it being his wife Jane's home town. So this is the closest I have come to identifying his ancestors ! :)
Best regards,
WC
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Hi WC
This could be a theory as to why Obadiah Mare was christened 1798 in Trentham but ended up in Uttoxeter
You have the marriage of Obadiah Mare to Sarah Blewer ( Bloor) 1793 in Whitmore, Staffordshire then you have the christening of Obadiah Mare 1798 in Trentham but possibly Sarah Mare nee Blewer died between 1800-1807 as there is a marriage of an Obadiah Mare to a Mary Colclough
17 OCT 1808 Stoke Upon Trent, Stafford.
You would need to check if Obadiah Mare was a widower in 1808 when he married Mary Colclough
Below is the distance travelled by Obadiah Mare if the theory was correct
Whitmore to Trentham
Total Distance: 4.79 mile(s), 7.71 km(s)
Estimated journey time of: 10 minute(s)
Then
Trentham to Stoke-on-Trent
Total Distance: 3.72 mile(s), 5.99 km(s)
Estimated journey time of: 6 minute(s)
Then
Stoke-on-Trent to Uttoxeter
Total Distance: 16.74 mile(s), 26.94 km(s)
Estimated journey time of: 20 minute(s)
Regards
Robert
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Many Thanks Robert
Can't find any record of Sarah Mare's death on IGE, but that doesn't mean the theory fails. Will keep looking.
Best regards
WC
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Mayer/Cope
I am positive there is a connection.
Hi there, excuse me for jumping in, but I've just found this thread while hunting for a Mare. I've been doing some Mayer/Mare people and have a Charles Copeland Mayer b.1874 Wolstanton marrying an Annie Cope b.1876 Hanley.
His parents: Reuben Johnson Mayer & Sarah Ann Abbotts.
Would this be of any help to you?
I'm actually looking for information and ancestors of John Mare b. cir 1783, Norton and his wife Sarah Massey b. cir 1787 Stoke. The one child of theirs I have so far is John Bagnall Mare b. 1809 Hanley. (Ancestors of Charles Copeland Mayer)
regards from an autumnal NZ :)
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Hi Ecochick,
I think I have something on this will look it out.
Our friend has just left for Christchurch to live there from the U.K
From winter to winter I think?
Send her back we are missing her already!!!!
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Hi back Caerfai :)
At least your friend is going to the best part of NZ - the South Island *grin*. It's still autumn but winter isn't too far off - hope she has plenty of woolies! If I send her back can I stow away in her luggage? ;)
Thanks for having a look for the info, much appreciate. :D
regards from a nippy NZ
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Hi Ecochick,
Is your family John Bagnall Mayer, son of John Mare and Sarah Massey?He married Kate Werthen who had Charles Mayer who married Emma Hodgkinson Lowdnes.
Are we on the right track?
My daughter's friend has arrived over there and feeling homesick already I think!!! Shes there and you want to be here! We have snow again though amid the daffodils and crocus!!!
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Yes! That is definitely the right family ;D - the Mare and Mayer being interchangeable up and down the line. Its the John Mare/Sarah Massey I can't get further back from.
We've just started school holidays, so your friend may encounter bad weather for the next two weeks *lol*. Had they been on holiday here prior to moving? I can imagine the culture shock, but at least we speak english ;) I'm a member of a local forum and we have a lovely English lady on, and she gives us some of the local dialects sometimes - she's from Nottingham - and it sounds so great, and funny *lol*. If the friend needs any help, I am happy to swap email :)
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Hi,
Firstly I have contacted someone who knows more about your line and has a picture of John Bagnall's son George and some more. I have passed your details onto him and he has kindly said he will help. As it happens it looks as though he also shares the same family as me.
If we connect you to some of my Mares I have some ver.r.y interesting stories to tell!
Have you an email-mine is (*)
Thank you for your offer of help with Sarah. She is hoping to start Law School and she has never been to New Zealand. Her mum is a nurse so has a job over there.
If you think Nottingham has a fine dialect you have heard nothing yet untill you hear Lancashire!!!Even I have trouble with it coming from the Potteries! My three kids are very broad but one of them struggled yesterday with a man in Burnley and could not make out what he was saying!!!
Best wishes from a very cold England.
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Oh that sounds wonderful, thank you! ;D
I will email you, and put 'genealogy' in the subject line in case it goes to junk ;)
Funny thing with accents, it hit me one day while watching some English show set in Yorkshire, that my great-grandparents would have been talking like that!!! Made me feel a little closer to them *lol*.
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Hi Maggie
Stumbled on this thread - but seems to have gone quiet. If you get this message, could you check some information on your family tree (which you mention in an earlier post) and includes Elijah Mayer.
I am part of the Mauritian Mayer family, all of whom descend from Edward Mayer (b. 1809), son of Elijah and Alice Mayer. Details from a family tree created by Edward's daughter states that Elijah and Alice were cousins and had the same surname. They had 4 children, Alice, George, John & Edward. Elijah then married the governess of these children (name unknown) and had three more children, Eliza, Joseph and Mary.
Family history would have it that we are related to Elijah Mayer the Potter, but I cannot link back to either Elijah Mayer (b.1717) and Elizabeth Jebb or Elijah Mayer (b.1749) and Jane Mayer/Mare.
I have traced a record of a marriage in Stoke-upon-Trent which states "13 Feb 1806 Elijah Mayer, Bachr., & Alice Mayer, sp. Wit.: Thomas Mayer, Mary Mayer." This would make chronological sense.
Would appreciate any information you may have.
Thanks
James
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Hi James - I've looked at my tree and haven't come up with anything. Unfortunately the same names were repeated and they did seem to marry cousins a lot. Elijah and Jane were first cousins.
I've taken a copy of your message and if I find out anything in the future I will let you know. If you do make a connection I can copy the tree up to Elijah for you.
Best of luck with your searches
Maggie
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Hi magie,
It appears that I am related to your mother-in-law
Regards
T R Copeland
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Moonunit Maggie
Hi Maggie
Please would you answer me one question? Your family tree have a
gallion in the Coat of Arms? If so you have crossed Ulveit de Meiri Saxon with the Mayer's of Normandy although we are both same family, did you know that
Ulveit de Meiri sister was the Queen of England and Denmark and Ulveit de Mairi goes under Saxon spelling
Regards
thomas 1936
Thomas Roy Copeland
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Hi Thomas
Thanks for your messages. The family tree was given to one of my mother-in-law's sisters by another member of the Mayer family. He has since died but the original document does have a coat of arms with a three masted ship on the shield with a mermaid crest. The motto given is Pallens Mari (by water powerful). The note says that the early generations shown on the tree were taken from Joseph Mayer's manuscript at Bebington Library.
I know very little about Ulveit de Meiri and was very interested in the information you gave in your message.
Most recently I have been trying to find the connection that Richard, mother-in-law's father, has to the family. As you will see the line comes down from Elijah Mayer through the Boons, Leeks, Bloods and then Rhodes. Hilda married Richard Mayer but as yet I have only got back to a Hugh Mayer and Frances Mayer of Rufford c 1725. Even then it is on someone else's tree and I have been unable to research it properly for myself.
Regards
Maggie
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Moonunit Maggie
Hi Maggie
I know the Tree you are using, It is the one showing the Del Meyers
of Delamere (Norman). By the way this is correct but missleading You require the Saxon family tree, my reationship is via the Boons and Stevenson and the
Joseph Mayer Will case of 1863 Hanley and London through the courts Stevenson v Abington
Regards
thomas 1936
Thomas Roy Copeland
We are also relatedvia the Adams family I am Gens Reunited site
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Hi Thomas, The Boones are my family and the Stevensons and the Mayers of the Potteries. Also Copeland.
Edward Boone was my gt x--grandad and Joseph Stephenson-Mayor of Hanley.
Caerfai
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Hi Caerfai
Since you share the same Grand x-Parrents as me, Who are you, I am
new to the chat line so how can I contact you
Regards
thomas1936
Thomas Roy Copeland
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Hi Thomas, do you have an e mail or are you on Ancestry.co and then I can send you an invite to my tree?
Elijah was my grandfather x 5
Edward Boone was my Dad's grandad , Eliza Mayer Boone his mother.
Kindest Regards,
Patricia
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On 1841 census Spragg House was occupied by Arthur Godwin, 55, farmer, who was a widower at that time, and his daughter Catherine 14. (HO107/989/12 F10 P13).
Document in National Archives dated 2 October 1846: Copy of court roll of the Manor of Norton on the Moors, co. Stafford, recording the surrender by Arthur Godwin of Stone, William Galimore Harrison of Leek, and John Mare Godwin formerly of Burslem, of lands, late the estate of Hugh Ford of Spragg House, to the use of the Charles Bowyer Adderley of Hams Hall, co. War. and recording the admittance of Charles Bowyer Adderley to the said lands. MS 917/1722 2 October 1846.
Arthur Godwin married Elizabeth Mare of Norton in 1804 and the witnesses were Mary Mare and Stephen Mare.
Arthur Godwin was one of witnesses at the marriage of Thomas Godwin of Burslem (most probably his brother) to Sarah Mare of Norton in 1815 at Norton in the Moors. The other witness was John Mare.
Best wishes - Joan
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Hi Folks,
Just been reading the posts by various people with regard to Spragg House at Norton, the Repton, :)Mare/Mayer, and Ford families.
I have the full Repton tree on a couple of sites - genes and tribal pages also my family held Spragg House in the past. Would be very willing to share information.
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Hi thanks for that my main interest is Samuel Mayer :)who was a China Manufaturer he had a son called Enoch and his father was called Obhadiah, Samuel died in Bloomsbury London. Jayne
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Hi Jayne,
Personal email:-rojan76@talktalk.net
Just in process of uploading info on mayors/meares etc. Haven't finished yet.
Rodger
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Hi Rodger
I am interested in the Mare/Mayer line, and will email you if thats okay?
I'm looking for information and ancestors of John Mare b. cir 1783, Norton and his wife Sarah Massey b. cir 1787 Stoke. The one child of theirs I have so far is John Bagnall Mare b. 1809 Hanley. (Ancestors of Charles Copeland Mayer)
regards from NZ 8)
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Hi would be very interested in the Spragg house info.
Elijah Mayer- 1717 is my relative. Could we compare? Thank you
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Hi, I am the Grandson of Len Hodgkinson of Rugeley Staffordshire. 35 years ago our family was approached by the News of the World! Apparently we are direct descendants of the Maher family. As you are aware the Maher, Mayer or maybe Dela Mare family then the Wedgewood link would be confirmed. my parents are both alive and maybe able to add to your search. I recall my great aunt being the housekeeper of the Bishop of Lichfield or looked after before her death by the Cathedral. Oddly enough, Erasamus Darwins house stands on the cathedral grounds! I visited the so called Snyed family house at Keele university, originally built by Knights Templars, this house was supposed to be my families inheritance!
There is no mention of the Sneyd family in the potteries history, other than a mysterious woman that appeared on a piece of wedge wood. for such a noble family to be not involved in the revolution of Stokes pottery business seems strange. I then visited Keele church, the Sneyd family coat of arms is very prominent on many of the graves, oddly one lone grave has the same carving. One of the Hodgekinson family! please message me if you want to proceed further. my guess is that the Sneyd family infact were the rich Delamares, a rich Romany family, how why and when this all got hidden was probably down to the Templars and the silk lines from Spain, Maybe! But certainly we are somehow related to these great people, my sincere regards Ned.
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Hi
I have been still looking into the Mayer/Wedgewood connection and I am still stuck on which Obadiah Mayer I descend from I have found out that he had 3 children Ann, Mary and Samuel Mayer the china manufacturer I descend from very proud to have Ellen Mayer as my nan from Wallasey I am sure Obadiah had a brother called George and their parents were Thomas Mare and Elizabeth Holdcroft I just need to tie the threads together, where did my Mayers come from I know via the Mayer line the family they are related too The Chatfield family did actually marry into the Wedgewood family and are related to the Galton family but a few Mayers also have married Wedgewoods, all I would need is a huge spreadsheet so I can folloe this family line, there history and origins and also just make some sense of it, thanks ???
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Hi Maggie et al - many thanks for all your past posts which I have read with interest. I wondered if you could possibly send a copy of your Mare tree - or at least the relevant bit please? My ancestor was one John Mare of Milton, born circa 1745 the son of John Mare of Milton by Catherine Lowndes, who died 1811. He married his sister's niece (sounds bizarre but true).
Would be most grateful for any help!
Will
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Hi,
Can anyone help with this Mayer side?
I Have an Abel Mayer b.ca.1844 where? married an Elizabeth Cope 1863 St.John Burslem, he died ca.1866 maybe Kidsgrove. On IGI it shows Abel's father as Elijah, but can't find a marriage or children.
Elizabeth's parents William Cope ca.1800 and Sarah Mayer ca.1811 (no other details), married 1835 Wolstanton.
Elizabeth married a Joseph Smith (my side) no children in either marriage found.
HI Becky
William Cope and Sarah Mayer are my 3x Great grandparents too.via Mary Elizabeths Sister.
I'm stuck here too..any pointers much appreciated
Lesley
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Lesley you will have to make one more post then you can contact Becky with a personal message.Just answer this!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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THanks for that you obviously noticed that i'm New to this,,
Many thanks for the guiding hand.
Lesley
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Don't you worry about it Lesley,a warm welcome to Rootschat!
Regards
William Russell Jones
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Hello. I have read with interest all the posts regarding the various Mayers and Copes, having been been introduced to this site by my new found "cousin" Lesley. I too am related to some of the Mayers and Copes mentioned in the posts. Mary Cope dob 21.8 1841 was my great grandmother. Her parents were William Cope dob abt 1803 and Sarah Mayer dob abt 1811. Mary's sister Elizabeth married Abel Mayer mentioned in one of the posts by "Becky" On 1841 census William and Sarah were living in Ranscliff (Ravenscliff) Kidsgrove next to Elizah Mayer and wife Ann, could Elizah and Sarah be related?
I haven't yet found any confirmed connections for William and Sarah's parents or siblings and would welcome any help.
Jeanette
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I am new here and only signed up to Rootsweb yesterday. Had difficulty finding this particular site but got help from Lesley (Thanks)
My reason is that I have a fairly substantial tree (980) which includes the Mayers/Meares/De Meres/Mieris etc back to the early Saxons of Wulfric Spot about 870 ad). My grandfathers middle name was Mayer and he was the son of Lucy Willcocks (nee Ridgway) of the well known potters who were intermarried with the Mayers in Hanley and Stoke in the early 19th century.
I have the tree set up on MS Excel and would be pleased to forward parts of it to anyone interested. I will be following various threads on this site to fill in my own blank spots. I am in British Columbia so a rather long way from my own roots.
Thanks UK1941
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Hello UK1941. Thanks for your Email. My Gr. Gr. Grandmother was Sarah Mayer born around 1811 possibly Burslem, Stoke on Trent, or Kidsgrove Staffordshire, sometimes listed as Wolstanton. She married William Cope dob about 1803. The marriage took place on 12 October 1835 in the district of Wolstanton. That is all I know of her and I would dearly like to find out who her parents and siblings were. If you are able to help I shall be very grateful.
Good wishes to you and yours. Jeanette
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HI
You found it then...
My Mayers are ditto Jeanette above except she is a generation above me...
Lesley
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To Scottish Quine aka Jeanette,
Following up on your note earlier, regarding William Cope/Martha Mayer, whilst neither are on my tree I think the following connections are correct but can't swear to them. You may wish to follow the threads.
William Cope (dob somewhere around 1765 but can't be sure)}Married around 1792 but no
Hannah ?? (dob about 1771 according to 1841 Census) }record found
Children Ann - Baptized 20 Jan 1793 Twins All Baptisms @ St Johns Burslem
Mary - Baptized 20 Jan 1793 Twins "
John - Baptized 19 Oct 1794 "
Elizabeth Baptized 9 Oct 1796 "
Hannah Baptized 14 Jan 1798 "
William Born 24 Nov 1799 Baptized 26 Jun 1803 Twins " nb see below
Sarah Born 24 Nov 1799 Baptized 26 Jun 1803 Twins "
Maria1 Baptized 21 Feb 1802 Died about 1806 "
Robert Baptized 1804 "
Maria 2 Baptized 26 June 1808 Twins "
Thomas Baptized 26 June 1808 Twins "
William did marry Sarah Mayer in 1835 but I think she is possibly the daughter of Obadiah Mayer born/baptized 17 Oct 1802 also at St John Burslem, but I'm not positive. There are lots of Oba(e)diahs around too. Sarah had a bunch of siblings from 1792 to 1808. Have fun !!
UK1941
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UK41. Thanks for your very helpful reply. Jeanette
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Hi Jeanette,
Sorry it should have been Sarah Mayer not Martha, heres some info on her and family that once again I can't guarantee but think is correct.
Obadiah Mayer dob 1768 died 1814. Two other Obadiahs died 1832 and 1838. Married Sarah Unsworth 12/Aug 1792, her dob unknown.
Children James Baptized 9 Jun 1793 All Baptisms St Johns Burslem so must have known
the Copes
Mary Baptized 19 Oct 1794
Ann Bapttized 28 Oct 1798
Joseph Baptized 12 Apr 1801
Sarah Baptized 17 Oct 1802 If your 1811 is correct all these wrong
Martha1 Baptized 25 Aug 1805 - Died 3 Dec 1806
Elizabeth Baptized ?? 1808
Martha2 Baptized 12 Aug 1810 = Married Henry Phillips in Hanley 1838.
I haven't followed any of these as to marriages and children, nor the Copes. There was a bunch of Mayers in Uttoxeter and Burton on Trent 1820 to 1870 but have to leave you something to do.
Regards UK1941
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Hello UK1941. Thanks for your further reply. I based my estimate of Sarah Mayer's birth on census records which vary, so your information could well be right. Jeanette
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Hi Maggie et al - many thanks for all your past posts which I have read with interest. I wondered if you could possibly send a copy of your Mare tree - or at least the relevant bit please? My ancestor was one John Mare of Milton, born circa 1745 the son of John Mare of Milton by Catherine Lowndes, who died 1811. He married his sister's niece (sounds bizarre but true).
Would be most grateful for any help!
Will
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Hello Will
My Ancestor is Alice Mare daughter of John Mare of Milton and Catherine Lowndes and sister of John Mare who married Mary Ford and Deborah Mare who married John Repton
My Alice Mare married John Ford and i was wondering whether you knew if my John Ford was related to your Mary Ford who married John Mare
Kind Regards
Robert
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Hi Robert,
YES, Mary (who married John Mare) was, I believe, the daughter of Hugh Ford of Spragg, son of Hugh Ford, son of Hugh Ford, son of William Ford of Ford Green who also had a son, James, of Odd Rode who had a son, William, who had a son James, father of John Ford who married Alice Mare.
Any help?
Will
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(so they were third cousins)
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I know this is a pretty old thread but my query is about Tunstall, Wolstanton so hopefully it's ok to post this here. :)
I'm looking for help please - trying to find the 1841 census for John Blood aged 55 and his family. I found it once before but now it alludes me again and it's so frustrating. He's living with William 11? Jonathon (I think it is) 9, George 19, Rebecca 16 and James (?) 5 months. Seems an unusual name for a girl unless the age is in the wrong column but I need to take a look at William's age again as not sure what it is - seems to be 11 but not too sure.
If anyone can help/advise, would be much appreciated. Thanks, Nick
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Hi,
Does anyone know if (the previously referenced) Norton Green Hall still exists? Google search results only return a Norton Hall and Ford Green Hall.
Thanks,
Ryan.
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Hi,
Does anyone know if (the previously referenced) Norton Green Hall still exists? Google search results only return a Norton Hall and Ford Green Hall.
Thanks,
Ryan.
Hello Ryan
As far as I can tell, yes it does. I just found this, which I hope you will find of interest.
https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1220286
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Thanks