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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Alexanderina on Thursday 13 November 08 20:02 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for any information on the children of a Thomas Laurie and Mary Jane Gibson married in Glasgow on the 20th June 1873. I would be grateful for a wee push in the right direction.
Thank you
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hi alexanderina
the IGI has an extracted birth for a George Laurie, b.19 jul 1874, Calton, Glasgow...parents thomas laurie & mary gibson.
hope this of help
lindy-lou :)
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Hello Alexanderina and lindy-lou,
Death entry shows for George Laurie in Calton 1874. He must have died soon after birth. :'(
Have you any details for Thomas or Mary to find them in the 1881 census? They probably had more children between 1875 (when the IGI index stops) and that date.
hume24
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Thank you for information regarding George Laurie he was my Grandfather but I know nothing of his siblings.I understand he was one of maybe 10 children.
My father never told us about his Aunts or Uncles
I am trying to build family tree so that my children will know about the Laurie family.
Thanks again.
Alexanderina.
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This might get you and others started....
Born 11 Oct 1897
Gordon Gibson Laurie
60 Cumberland Sreet, Glasgow
Father: Thomas shoemaker (journeyman)
Mother: Mary Jane Gibson
married 1873 June 20th Calton district, Glasgow.
PM your email and I'll send copy doc
Dave
Photo 94+ Cumberland Street. c1902
60 Cumberland St probably tenements in distance.
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Just downloaded the family's 1891 census entry, Dave. :) Your find has confirmed it's the right family.
Address: 80 Stevenson Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Thomas Lawrie, m, head, 36, shoemaker, b. Glasgow
Mary Jane ", f, wife, 36, -, b. Montrose, Forfarshire
Isabella ", f, dau., 14, cotton mill worker, b. Glasgow
Daniel ", m, son, 11, -, b. Glasgow
Thomas ", m, son, 9, -, b. Glasgow
John ", m, son, 7, -, b. Glasgow
George ", m, son, 5, -, b. Glasgow
Henrietta ", f, dau., 1, -, b. Glasgow
As said before, George b. 1874 died young (the same year) and Alexanderina's grandfather was born c. 1886 with the same name.
hume24
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No date for this but this could actually be your rellies!
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:o That would be amazing for Alexanderina if it's about the right date. After a quick Google, there is a larger picture here: http://www.rootschat.com/links/04tb/
Here's the family in 1901:
Address: 62 Muslin Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Thomas Laurie, m, head, 44, shoe maker, b. Glasgow
Mary ", f, wife, 43, -, b. Arbroath, Forfarshire
John ", m, son, 17, general labourer, b. Glasgow
George ", m, son, 15, general labourer, b. Glasgow
Henrietta ", f, dau., 13, scholar, b. Glasgow
Sydney ", m, son, 7, scholar, b. Glasgow
Gordon ", f, dau., 4, -, b. Glasgow
Can you find us a pic of this one, Dave? ;D
hume24
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Can you find us a pic of this one, Dave? ;D
hume24
I love a challenge, but alas no.
Best I can find is current day photo of remaining tenements - look to me 1890-1900ish.
I've no idea of house number of this block.
Might take a wander to have a look.
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Regarding my prev post /photo.
I've no doubt that the entire street would have been this type of building when your rellies were there in 1901 Alexanderina.
Dave
Modified .... Erm, sorry, just noticed you're a newbe! Welcome. :)
Hope you enjoy the site.
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The Laurie family in 1881. Luckily some clues to Thomas' mother and family. :) Also a possible sister to Mary Jane staying with them.
Address: 27 Kerr Street, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Hanerata [sic] Laurie, f, head, 46, mar., washer woman, b. Glasgow
Janet ", f, dau., 14, millworker, b. Glasgow
Sydney ", f, dau., 5, -, b. Glasgow
Marie ", f, dau., 3, -, b. Glasgow
Thomas ", m, son, 27, shoemaker, b. Glasgow
Mary Jane ", f, boarder, 21, millworker, b. Glasgow
Isabella ", f, grandau., 5, -, b. Glasgow
Daniel ", m, grandson, 1, -, b. Glasgow
Gordon Gibson, f, boarder, 20, washerwoman, b. Glasgow
hume24
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hume24,
Gordon's sex / occupation - washerwoman?
Modified -- Oops, I confused myself there. That's not our Gordon but I wonder if Gordon b1897 was named after this person?
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;D
It's correct. I did a double take too, but Gordon was definitely female. I notice Thomas and Mary Jane's daughter that you found, born 1897, was also named Gordon.
hume24
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I just modified my last post - we're crossing.
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Marriage certificate of 1873 gives Thomas' parents as John Lawrie, shoemaker and Henrietta Lawrie, m.s. Watson. Mary Jane's parents were George Gibson, shipbuilder (journeyman) and Isabella Gibson, m.s. Ferries.
hume24
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Just following up on the children who leave the Laurie/Lawrie household between 1891 and 1901:
Isabella (aged 14 in 1891) married Alexander Fleming 1898 in Glasgow, and died 1933 at 253 Duke Street, Glasgow (usual residence: 1 Bell Street). Her death certificate gives mother's name as Mary Jane Lawrie, m.s. Ferrie.
Daniel (aged 11 in 1891) died 1929 at the Eastern District Hospital. His usual residence was 43 Dale Street, Bridgeton. He was single.
Still searching for Thomas. :)
hume24
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:D Thomas lived to a fantastic age. He died 1975, aged 94 in Glasgow.
So I think I've gave a pretty good start. More marriages and deaths will be available for the Laurie/Lawrie children at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
hume24 :)
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Just having another look over all this.
The info you've found is great hume24.
It seems Gordon on the 1881 census is Mary Jane's sister and the namesake of
the daughter born 1897.
To be honest hume24, I hadn't noticed the child Gordon was female. My mind jumped to the wrong conclusion that a Gordon would be male.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
I hadn't seen Gordon before as a girl's name. :-\ It could be a granny's maiden name though, so something to keep in mind for Alexanderina if she researches further back.
Been thinking about Ferrie/Ferries as Mary Jane's mother's name. I think this is her parents' marriage:
George Gibson mar. Isabella Pharaoh on 27th January 1854 at Arbroath
Mary Jane shows as born 1855 in Arbroath ... lots of info on that certificate, I'm sure. Just what we like to see. ;D
hume24
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Thanks to everyone who gave me such excellent information regarding my Laurie family now I know much more about them and so quickly too.
What a wonderful site,
Again well done RC.
Alexanderina.
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Thanks Alexanderina,
Here's a bit more to help or confuse you......
Been thinking about Ferrie/Ferries as Mary Jane's mother's name. I think this is her parents' marriage:
George Gibson mar. Isabella Pharaoh on 27th January 1854 at Arbroath
Mary Jane shows as born 1855 in Arbroath
It seems Gordon on the 1881 census is Mary Jane's sister and the namesake of the daughter born 1897.
Following on from the previous info. hume24 is correct about Mary Janes parents and info on IGI confirms Gordon Gibson was Mary Jane's sister.
Here's other siblings to Mary Jane:
1. JOHN PHARAOH GIBSON 15 DEC 1868 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock
2. GEORGE GIBSON 24 MAY 1865 Middle Or New Parish, Greenock
3. MARY JANE GIBSON 29 JAN 1855 Arbroath, Angus
4. ALEXANDER GIBSON 27 AUG 1857 Arbroath, Angus
5. ALEXANDER GIBSON 05 FEB 1859 Arbroath, Angus
6. JANE MILL GIBSON 23 FEB 1870 Bridgeton, Glasgow
7. GORDON GIBSON Gender: Female 19 SEP 1861 Stirling
Looks like Alexander b27 Aug 1857 died and name re-used.
In case you're new to LDS/IGI, to find these, I went here...
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Typed in father and mothers full names (spell them as hume24 suggests) and region as British Isles, nothing else. Hit search.
Dave
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and a bit more that a friend found......
she's unable to post herself at the moment.........
"I have checked out some of the background of Isabella PHARAOH (that spelling was a good find by Hume24).
I looked up PHARAOH in Angus on the IGI. It brings up various spellings including PHARAOH, PHAROAH, PHARO, PHAROH and FARROW. However, it's quite interesting to look up the Arbroath and Montrose batches where the name occurs (don't think that Farrow occurred there).
There's a marriage of a John PHAROH to a Mary KNOWLES in Montrose in 1818. And, before that, the birth of a son, Robert PHARO, to them in 1816 in Montrose. I suspect that John & Mary are Isabella's parents (though I can't find her birth or births for any children other than Robert).
I say this because of an entry in the 1841 Angus census on FreeCEN.
In a household in Montrose of John PHARAOH, 44, Dyer, born Scotland but not in Angus (all others are born Angus) there's a Mary 43 (probably his wife) and several children including an Isabella aged 10.
It would be interesting to find John's actual birthplace in one or more later censuses. "
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Hello Alexanderina
So sorry I have been off RC for a while, I could have given you information on Thomas's family quite quickly as he is a 1st cousin 3x removed. :-[
Unfortunately a change of computer, email address and work has kept me out of the loop.
I hope I am not too late with a reply.
Stewart Laurie
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Some information for Alexanderina
Ancestors of Thomas Laurie
Parents:
John Irvine Laurie b 16 Mar 1828 Gallowgate, Glasgow d. 19 Dec 1881, Glasgow, Lanark
Married 24 Sep 1850, Glasgow, Lanark
Henrietta Watson b. 21 Oct 1833, Glasgow, Lanark d. 1 Aug 1903, Camlachie, Glasgow, Lanark
Parents:
Thomas Watson and Ann Mathieson
John Irvine Laurie - Parents:
Robert Laurie b. Abt. 1788, Dromore, County Down, Ireland
Mary Irvine b. Abt. 1790 Liverpool, England
Roberts father – William Laurie b. Abt 1760, Liverpool, England
Johns siblings:
Maria Laurie b. Abt. 1818, Dublin, Ireland m. John Watson 13 Sep 1844 Barony, Lanark.
Willliam Laurie b. Abt. 1822 Dromore, County Down, Ireland m Sophia Whannel 26 Apr 1839 Glasgow
Daniel Laurie b. 24 May 1824, Gallowgate, Glasgow d. 10 Jan 1885 Dennistoun, Glasgow m. Janet Porterfield b. Abt. 1827 Johnstone, Renfrew d 27 Jul 1887, Calton, Glasgow
I have more information on Johns siblings children.
Stew
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Thank you very much the information you have given is much more than I ever realised.
Going back so far is more than I ever expected,
Thank you again, and please keep in touch.
I also have been offline due to death of my brother.
Bye,
Alexanderina.
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Hello Alexanderina
Here is some more information on Robert Laurie and Mary Irvines children.
Children of Robert Laurie and Mary Irvine
Maria Laurie b. Abt 1818 Dublin, Ireland d. 12 Feb 1901, Barnhill Poorhouse, Glasgow, Scotland
Married 13 Sep 1844, Barony, Glasgow, Lanark, John Watson b. Abt 1822 Glasgow Lanark d. 21 Oct 1855, Gallowgate, Glasgow, Scotland
She later married George Payne b. Abt 1798, Londerry, Ireland d. 13 May 1883, Glasgow, Lanark, they married 13 Dec 1878 Dennistoun, Glasgow, Lanark
Children:
Thomas Watson b Abt. D. 14 Feb 1845.
Mary Watson b Abt 1848 Glasgow, Lanark
Rosana Watson b Abt. 1852, Gallowgate, Glasgow, Lanark married George Payne, b Abt1835, Londonderry, Ireland.
John Watson b 27 Apr 1856 Calton, Glasgow, Lanarkshire no more information at this stage.
William Laurie b Abt. 1822 Dromore, County Down, Ireland I can’t trace his death.
He married Sophia Whannel, b Abt 1825, Johnstone, Renfrewshire d. 5 May 1879, City Poorhouse, Glasgow.
Children:
Robert Laurie b Abt. 1839
William Laurie b Abt. 1841
Maria Laurie b Abt 1850 she married Duncan McPherson b Abt 1851, Argyll, Scotland 17 Jul 1871, Central District, Glasgow, Lanark.
Daniel Laurie 28 May 1824, Gallowgate, Glasgow d.10 Jan 1885 Dennistoun, Glasgow, Lanark. Married Aug 1851, Glasgow, Lanark, Janet Porterfield b Abt 1827 Johnstone, Renfrewshire d. 27 Jul 1887, Calton, Glasgow. Janet had previously been married to William May and had two children
William May b Abt 1848 d. 29 mar 1880 St Rollox, Glasgow
James May b Abt 1850
Children of Daniel and Janet
Robert Laurie b 21 May 1859, New Wynd, Glasgow, d. 7 Mar 1927, Radnor Park. Married Isabella Galloway b 1858, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England d. 1 Jan 1943, Possil Park, Glasgow.
Daniel Laurie b. 22 Dec, High Church, Glasgow d. 8 Jan 1863 High Church, Glasgow.
John Laurie b, Abt 1863 Glasgow, Lanark
Isabella Laurie b 14 Feb 1864 she married John Boyd b 5 Feb 1862, Calton, Glasgow. The married 2 Jan 1882, Dennistoun, Glasgow.
John Irvine Laurie b 16 Mar 1828, Gallowgate, Glasgow d. 19 Dec 1881, Glasgow, Lanark married Henrietta Watson 24 Sep 1850, Glasgow, Lanark.
Bye for now
Stewart