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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => West Lothian (Linlithgowshire) => Topic started by: lyndyloo6 on Thursday 13 November 08 10:30 GMT (UK)
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Hello Folks,
I have now established another link to our McGoohan family. We know that Bridget DID come to Scotland. We also know that she brought her family with her. We had been able to establish that she had a daughter Mary, c1839,(lived in Edinburgh and seems to have married a Kelly) Bridget, c1835, married Edward McCann and lived in Uphall, died in 1888 at Simpsons Row. Patrick c1834, married Sarah conway in Edinburgh in 1859 and lived out his days in Edinburgh dying in 1903. I have now found another son called Edward, c1832. Edward married Catherine McCabe in 1856 at Linlithgow. He worked in the Oil works and died in Dechmont in 1881. Catherine looks to have gone on to live in Linlithgow and was an outdoor worker shortly after his death. There were several children of the marriage,
John, c1857,Michael 1861, Patrick1867, Bridget1875, Ellen c1874, Francis, 1871, James 1869, Margaret, 1876. Also listed with Catherine in the 1881 census was her father John McCabe.
I know that John c1857 did not marry and lived in Greendykes Road with the Donahue family over a period of several years. I have not followed through the rest of the children as yet.
It has been suggested that the name had evolved in the area to' McOugh.'
Any suggestions or ideas would be good, as would any further info.
Many thanks for your help again,
Lynda
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Hi Lindyloo 6 the only family named McGoohan in the 1881 census was
Dewars Close ,St Johns ,Edinburgh
Patrick McGoohan 44 masons labourer b 1837 Ireland
Sarah """"""""" 40 Wife b 1841 Ireland
Mary out door worker 20 b Edinburgh
Thomas 9 b Edinburgh
Francis 4 b Edinburgh
Felix 18 months b Edinburgh
Thomas Conway lodger 34 tobacco spinner b Ireland
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Hi Firthveiw,
Thanks forth is info. I have all this, so do not be offended.
I am looking for info from west lothian as this is what has been coming to light over the last few days.
regards,
Lynda
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As your subject suggests, there are many variations on the spelling of McGoohan. I am researching the McGeown branch that came from Derrynoose, Keady, Co. Armagh to West Lothian in 1890 or thereabouts. The parish records from Keady show surnames as McGeough, McGeon, and McGone although all children definitely have the same parents in Stephen McGeown and Mary Kirk; my guess is that the parents had no idea how to spell their own surname and the entries to the parish registers are based on how the name sounded when spoken.
Interestingly, of those who came over, John (11 October 1857) and his brother Thomas (25 May 1862) lived with their sister Sarah (15 February 1860) who became Sarah Donoghue and who lived at 98 Greendykes Road; that detail comes from the 1891 census. Their siblings were Ellen (29 April 1865), Margaret (21 July 1867), Catherine (13 February 1870), Stephen Patrick (24 March 1872), Henry (25 August 1874), and James (14 July 1878).
It may be that the McGeowns that I am looking at are related to your McGoohans who seem to have come to Scotland in the earlier years of the shale oil boom.
Have a look at http://www.scottishmining.co.uk/130.html for an excerpt from the 1918 Royal Commission Report on Housing that describes housing in Greendykes Road. The report also has descriptions of Niddire (Winchburgh) and other local housing.
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Hi Ullswater,
My mind is spinning with this info. I am wondering if they are indeed the same family. I have been mindful all along that our ancesters were illiterate and that the strong Irish accent would be interpreted in a different manner by scottish interpreters. I have done this myself and been quite surprised when asking the other person to 'spell' what they have said. However, as our ancesters could not check what was written, it has been difficult to confirm in some cases if the families are the same families. I have my tree on GR if you would like to veiw it, but am not sure how to let you access it.
Keep in touch and I will let you know what else I can confirm.
Take care,
Lynda
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Hi Lyndyloo6,
I have pretty much hit a roadblock on my Irish ancestors due to the Irish Governments destruction of census records and the fire during the civil war that destroyed many other genealogical records. Fortunately, an elderly relative thought that the family had lived in Keady and a letter to the local church there prompted a very welcome confirmation as they scoured their parish records to give me much valuable information. I have good information on the members of the family who went to Broxburn; John, Thomas, Sarah, Catherine and James Stephen, but nothing on those who remained in Ireland. Marriages in Broxburn or Winchburgh brought in surnames such as Donoghue, Mcmenemy, Gallagher, McArdle, Mckenzie, Stevens, Barrett, Philbin, Devine and O'Brien. Mary & Rose Donoghue, children of Sarah McGeown Donoghue, both worked in a lowly capacity (chambermaid and laundress) for the Royal Family in London (George V and the late Queen Mother).
:)
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I know about the I rish brickwall. We seem to have hit it as well. We have been looking at our family being the same as Patrick McGoohan and there seems to be some evidence to confirm it. I have been working on this for some time now and it is all pointing this way...so who knows.
Lynda
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The Donoghue/Donoghoe/Donachue family who lived in Greendykes Road, were cousins to the McCanns who lived at the lower end of it. Rose worked at Windsor Castle and was in charge of the King's apartments. There was never any indication that Mary had worked there. Apparently she worked at a big house in the Border area. James McGeown, brother to Sarah lived with his family diagonally across from the Donoghue/etc. The family consisted of Cath, Henry, James Jnr, Nellie, Rose and I believe Ellen or Helen. Rose emigrated to South Africa with her husband. James (Snr) died in a traffic accident.
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WOW, what a surprise. I have not been doing much recently as the weather is too good to miss. Have been out and about up north (Aberdeen) whilst the weeather has been good looking at my side of the family. Broxburn is 20 miles away from me, so is manangable in the winter. Have also been doing a course at Dundee Uni which has given me a better insight to all the records that exist. This is amazing info and I will look at it more closely after the kids have gone home.
I did phone the preist at Broxburn, who told me that the McGoochans and MccANN families were very well respected and become very professional people. He could not say if they were linked to our families though. May have to go and search the parish records. I have never found burial sites for Bridget and family though. I will keep searching though. Was just saying to my husband that I was going to spend some more time doing his side.
Keep in touch,
Kind regards,
Lynda
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Was interested to read about your visit to Aberdeen - Sarah McGeown, who never married and was a daughter of Thomas and Mary Ann McArdle would visit Aberdeen and I believe she took her niece to visit the Donoghue/etc family occassionally. Never did find out what happened to the niece. Sarah died in 1964.
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Through the summer i am up there most weeks. My mums and Dads side come from Aberdeenshire and all the ancestors are there, so thats why I go up and down all the time.
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It looks as though we may all be related in some way through the McGeowns, Devines, Donoghues, Obriens, McArldes, Gallaghers, Barretts, etc.
Have you seen the old post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=42b3c170pjgud477pmsum4nt92&topic=203610.0;prev_next=prev
which I only came across today, despite it beign a reply to me in 2006!
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It looks as though we may all be related in some way through the McGeowns, Devines, Donoghues, Obriens, McArldes, Gallaghers, Barretts, etc.
Have you seen the old post http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=42b3c170pjgud477pmsum4nt92&topic=203610.0;prev_next=prev
which I only came across today, despite it beign a reply to me in 2006!
Further to your various posts.
I have many relatives who worked in the Shale industry in Broxburn, Philipstoun, Uphall and Pumpherston. My mothers family (both sides) came from County Tyrone, Benburb, Dungannon, Lurgan and Armagh the families were Reynolds, McCrystal, McKeown (McGeown) Mullen, McCabe my mothers sister married into the Philbin family from Uphall, another 2 sisters married into the Reddington family.
I live in the area.
James.
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Hi Bridget McGoohan married Edward McCabe. One of their children apparentley played for Celtic FC. I have been in touch with some of the McCabes through Genes Reunited. Some are living in Fife today. I have never known of the other names that you mention, but then I have really concentrated on 'mainlines', if you know what I mean. Only last year really I came across by accident, Bridget McGoohans death which had been set to me by another distant cousin of my husbands many months before. We had both missed it. I found it at 11pm and my husband and I both spent time searching scotlands people till 3 in the morning. We discovered another McGoohan, edward, who was living in Dechmont and working in the 'oil' industry. This was our Patricks brother. The McCanns liivng in Niddry. My husband and I went to Niddry that week to look for a cememtry to no avail. Still looking.
Lynda
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Iso wish I could solve this . Not sure that the 1911 census will shed any light on it either. There really is no one left on our side as Uncle Frankie passed away 2 years ago and took some of the information with him. The little that he did give me reffered to his mother Mary Jane, and I have managed to resolve and unravell those stories. He would not speak about the McGoohans. Perhaps he did not know much as he was very young when his father died in 1927. I think the Thick Irish brogue has a lot to do with it though and who interpreted it.
Lynda
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The only Mary Jane to figure in my McGeown researches is Mary Jane McMenemy who was the wife of Dennis Gallagher. Dennis died when 61 of erysipelas at the Fever Hospital in Linlithgow, not at his home at 22 Niddry Rows, Winchburgh. His death was registered by his son Edward of 4 Niddry Rows but he didn’t seem to know the names of his paternal grandparents, naming them both as Gallagher. One of their daughters, Ellen, married James McGeown Gallagher. Siblings of Ellen other than Edward were Kate, Bella, Mary and Frank. In later life Kate lived in Millgate, Winchburgh; she used to wear a surgical boot on her left foot and became Mrs Kate McKenzie. She had two daughters: Mary, whose married name was McPhillips, and Cathy, who became Mrs Stevens. Kate's grandson is/was John Stevens; her great-grandsons are/were Kevin and Terry Philbin who lived in Winchburgh.
Frank remained a bachelor and lived with Kate and her husband. Edward Gallagher had a son Bob who remained a bachelor and lived in Dalkeith. Bob's brother Dennis died aged 12 as a result of a football injury and there is apparently a headstone in Winchburgh cemetery erected by his schoolmates.
There is some confusion from the records as to whether the surname is Gallagher or Gallacher.
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Don't think it was Mary Jane connected to the McGeowns but rather Mary Ann (nee McArdle) who married Thomas.
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Mary Jane McMenemy, who I mention, was the wife of Dennis Gallacher and the mother of Ellen Gallagher who married James McGeown (born in Keady, Armagh, died 1951) in 1907; Ellen died in 1921 from childbirth in 1921. Hence, there is a definite connection to the McGeown line. I agree with you about Mary Ann McArdle. My entry was made due the mention of a 'Mary Jane' in a recent posting.
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Oops...............haven't been at this as long as you have so apologies for my error!
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Wow, this is great!
I stumbled upon this site whilst looking for info on my Great-Grandad John McCann of Broxburn and this has some great info so I hope this is still 'live'.
John was one of the sons of Edward McCann and Bridget McGoohan. My Dad has been researching him as he's an interesting character. He played a couple of games for Celtic (a reference has been made of this) as well as a number of other clubs including Preston North End although the PNE's club historian suggested that the number of moves may be down to the 'signing on' fee they would receive (football's not changed that much then). Basic details of his Celtic 'career' are here: http://www.thecelticwiki.com/page/McCann,+John
He was also a JP and was involved in the Catholic Education board. His obituary indicated he was well respected. My Dad's trying to follow up a few other interesting stories. He married a Catherine Gordon and they had 4 sons & 1 daughter. A lot of the family are teachers.
Interestingly there is a McCann Avenue in Broxburn as well.
My Dad's never got much further than Edward and Bridget as the family told him all records were gone during the civil war (as you've noted) so any info on either of their origins in Ireland would be very welcome. I'd be more than willing to share info on 'my side' but recognise that you're trying to go back rather than forward.
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Hello Gavn,
Welcome to rootschat. I have loads of info on the McGoohans . Bridget was the brother of Patrick McGoohan whowas my husbands grandfather. I am working at the moment and finish at tennish, so will check my emails then.
Lynda
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Hello Gavn,
Welcome to rootschat. I have loads of info on the McGoohans . Bridget was the brother of Patrick McGoohan whowas my husbands grandfather. I am working at the moment and finish at tennish, so will check my emails then.
Lynda
Hi Lynda,
I'm unable to contact you as I'm new to the site and can't send messages. Hope it's alright to communicate here?
Anyway, I've spoken to my Dad who's done all the research. He's got a few bits of information which may or may not help you based on the reports he's found during his research on his Grandfather John McCann (Edward and Bridget's son). As I said John McCann was involved in a number of things including being a Justice of the Peace and a member of West Lothian County Council. It's meant there's a fair bit of stuff to find.
I don't know if this is any use but John was quoted in some of these documents saying his grandfather was a Headmaster. As Edward McCann was illiterate we assume this must mean Bridget's father. Do you know anything about this? The family legend states that Edward and Bridget eloped at 17 from Toome in N Ireland. As I say this is just passed down and may be wrong. Edward worked as a plate layer on the railways into his 70s.
Don't know if that's any use. My Dad's concentrated on his Grandfather which is away from your main line upwards but can maybe help with some clues (and red herrings).
By the way, do you know anything about Bridget being called Freda in the Census 1871? I'll try and track that down.
Thanks