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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Colin Cruddace on Wednesday 12 November 08 23:33 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I've been checking posts and several members have an interest in these names.
I was stuck with a baptism for James Crudace born c1797, claimed to be at Middlesbrough. The best match I could find was 1800 at Penshaw for James Croudace and I managed to gather a lot of information for these families. It now turns out that it was this family who went to Monmouth so I was able to pass on all the details to Croudaces, who was looking for them. ;D ;D ;D
Everything tied in beautifully for her family and I knew they were far too affluent and well connected to be part of my James' family. He was a humble carpenter and joiner in Bishopton. :-\
I noticed that many of us are stuck round about the same time so we might be able to help each other by eliminating places for searching.
Any takers?
Colin
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Yes please!
I have traced my family back to William Cruddace (1815 Barnard Castle). He married Sarah Turnbull. I cannot find anything about his parents. No baptism in bishops transcripts around Barnard Castle or Durhamrecordsonline or IGI or anywhere. He is a mystery.
In random extra info to share - I have info on Thomas Cruddas who married Sophia Wilson. He was from Barnard Castle and was born c1808. I thought he was an ancestor but he wasn't :(
Apparently he shot a gunshot in the weathervane in the centre of Barnard Castle in a competition with a friend.
Claire
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Hi Claire,
This is my second attempt. Somehow, I managed to erase my first reply before posting it ??? ???
I haven't anything on William c1815 but I'll keep an eye out for him. 8)
I've seen that story about the weather-vane, apparently he was a gamekeeper for the Streatlam family, and he was born at Streatlam.
My mother's side is Swainston, and there was a Swainston family at Barnard Castle who were gunsmiths and were also gamekeepers for the Bowes family. They flitted between Barney and Hertfordshire and had children in both places. It could be a similar story for ours, and it might be worth checking out.
Regards,
Colin
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That sounds interesting... you could be on to something there? I did find some Cruddace's from Langley, which may be over the border in Yorkshire, too. My William was a gamekeeper at first also - it seems the quite a few of the Cruddace family were gamekeepers.
Claire
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The only Langley I've come across is near Witton Gilbert and I've covered those families quite extensively. The surname was fairly consistent as Croudace, but I'm convinced that the families in the Ferryhill area are related and their surname was usually given as Cruddas but very inconsistent. I've got those covered as well.
I've been checking some more of my notes and found a William Croudas baptised in June 1816 at Durham St Nicholas but unfortunately he was buried in October the following year.
A couple of items that you might not have -
Marriages at Staindrop
15th May 1823, Robert Cruddass of Bd Castle to Elizabeth Stoddart
13th April 1828, John Lodge & Ann Cruddas of Staindrop
Burial at Barnard Castle
28th Sept 1809, Isabella, age 24, dau of Robert Cruddass & Martha late Harker
(Could she be a sister of William's dad?)
Death Notice, Darlington & Stockton Times, Feb 11th 1922
feb 2nd at Thorpe, Robin Hood's Bay, William Cruddas ex Police Constable, aged 70, youngest son of the late Thomas & Sophia Cruddas, late of Wood End, Streatlam Park, Barnard Castle.
Perhaps it might be better to continue through normal email. If you agree can you send a PM with your address.
Regards,
Colin
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I couldn't find Langley so assumed it was over the border, you've cleared up that one!
I will pm you my e-mail
Claire
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as i am doing one name study i am interested in your information-george croudace
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Hello George, and welcome to Rootschat.
How can I help? I assume you will be interested in all variations of the name.
Regards,
Colin
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Hi George
I'd be happy to share info to
Claire
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thanks for the information you provided colin but i already had it what i would like to know is why you believe this part of the family from lanchester area went to monmouth area from my interpretation of the census and baptisms at st thomas monmouth the only person i can find is a william john who was born around 1805 and married mary ann morgan.if any one else has details i would be interested as i am trying to establish a one name study on the name croudace.
the family from the lanchester area is the most comprehensive in the quantity of information and international spread of the family do you trace your ancestry back to this family.
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Hi George,
These are the basic details of that family. It looks as though John & Elizabeth moved to the Monmouth or Bristol area, with their 3 surviving children, shortly after the death of daughter Jane in 1808. Another lister has the details of the familiy after this move, and I have many earlier generations.
Regards,
Colin
1 CROUDACE, John b: 1774 in Lanchester, County Durham Baptism: 07 Apr 1774 Lanchester, County Durham Source: Parish Records
..+WATKIN, Elizabeth b: 1777 in Washington, County Durham Baptism: 24 May 1777 Washington, County Durham Source: Parish Records
m: 23 May 1798 Horton near Blyth, Northumberland src: Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, Elizabeth b: Mar 1799 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Baptism: 18 Nov 1800 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Source: Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, James b: 06 Jul 1800 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Baptism: 18 Nov 1800 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Source: Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, John b: 1801 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham d: Sep 1801 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Burial: 27 Sep 1801 Houghton le Spring, County Durham Source: Index of Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, Mary b: 04 Aug 1802 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Baptism: 29 Dec 1802 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Source: Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, Dorothy b: Jul 1803 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham d: Aug 1803 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Burial: 07 Aug 1803 Houghton le Spring, County Durham Source: Index of Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, John b: 1804 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham d: Nov 1806 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Burial: 28 Nov 1806 Houghton le Spring, County Durham Source: Index of Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, Jane b: 20 Aug 1805 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Baptism: 29 Sep 1807 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Source: Parish Records d: Aug 1808 Philadelphia, Penshaw Staith, County Durham Burial: 16 Aug 1808 Houghton le Spring, County Durham Source: Index of Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, Dorothy b: Aug 1806 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham d: Nov 1806 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Burial: 19 Nov 1806 Houghton le Spring, County Durham Source: Index of Parish Records
2 CROUDACE, Mary b: Nov 1807 in Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham d: Dec 1807 Painshaw (Penshaw), County Durham Burial: 15 Dec 1807 Houghton le Spring, County Durham Source: Index of Parish Records
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Hello Colin and others interested in the Cruddace name (and variations)
Here is a Catholic baptism and marriage that may be of interest.
William Cruddace, born 18/Jan/1896, baptised16/Feb/1896,
parents John and Margaret Cruddace, maiden name Quinn, sponsor James Quinn.
John Cruddace son of William Cruddace of Hetton, married Margaret Quinn daughter of Michael Quinn of Tow Law on the 6/April/1885, witnesses Patrick English and Anna Quinn.
Both of the above were at St Joseph's Tow Law.
As for the Langley question in the previous postings.
Could it not be Langleydale? a small parish in Teesdale.
Perhaps the people just said langley.
Just google it to see what you think.
Adam
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Hello Adam, and thanks very much for those details.
I've found the family in 1901 at Crook (CRUDDES according to Ancestry) where William had two younger sisters, and his dad John as being born c1860 at Howden le Wear. In the 1891 at Helmington Row, John CRUDDAS was living with his widower dad William who was born c1822 at Kirby Stephen. I can't connect these with my line at the moment but I'll keep the details handy.
Regards,
Colin
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thanks for the information you provided colin but i already had it what i would like to know is why you believe this part of the family from lanchester area went to monmouth area from my interpretation of the census and baptisms at st thomas monmouth the only person i can find is a william john who was born around 1805 and married mary ann morgan.if any one else has details i would be interested as i am trying to establish a one name study on the name croudace.
the family from the lanchester area is the most comprehensive in the quantity of information and international spread of the family do you trace your ancestry back to this family.
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thanks for the information you provided colin but i already had it what i would like to know is why you believe this part of the family from lanchester area went to monmouth area from my interpretation of the census and baptisms at st thomas monmouth the only person i can find is a william john who was born around 1805 and married mary ann morgan.if any one else has details i would be interested as i am trying to establish a one name study on the name croudace.
the family from the lanchester area is the most comprehensive in the quantity of information and international spread of the family do you trace your ancestry back to this family.
Hi George,
I am doing a study of the Croudaces ( my mother is a Croudace ) in Monmouth / Gloucestershire and have comprehensive records from the census and forestofdean.net.
I am interested in where you got the ' William John ' record from for his marriage to Mary Ann Morgan ( I am a direct descendant of this man ), as I have the details of his wedding record from the parish records and it only states ' John '. I have been corresponding with Colin and have yet to find out exactly where my ' John ' comes from.
Look forward to hearing from you.
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Hello to you both,
I have a James Crudace born c1797 and the only possibility I came across was James Croudace born 1800 and this led to a very comprehensive coverage of the Croudace families, but I could not find any other details for this James which left him as a strong contender, but I couldn't find any other details for his parents either, in particular their burials. After corresponding with Croudaces about her lines, their details matched almost perfectly with this family. In the National Burial Index there is a burial for James Croudace age 27 at St Paul's Bedminster, Somerset on 13th April 1828, and is a good match for James born 1800. I think the burial record for his mother is also a good match but I don't have the details. It might be coincidence but there was another family member, James born 1825 at Lumley Thicks, Lambton, who married Amelia Sutton in the Bridgewater District, Somerset in 1853, even though he was still living in the northeast.
I don't know where you got the details of William John, but I suspect John & Elizabeth had further children after they moved so perhaps he might be one, but 1805 would be too early for this.
John was a colliery viewer so I imagine he already had a job to go to, and if mining records are available there might be a lead as to where they went.
My lines are now detached from the Croudace families so I won't be doing further research on them but I'd be happy to pass on anything I have. They were a very interesting lot and had some very powerful connections.
Regards,
Colin
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It now transpires that ' my John ' was indeed William John, his childrens baptism records ( they were baptised when his wife remarried after his death ) show William John as the fathers name.
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Glad to hear you got him sorted. What was his job? It might help to place where he came from in the northeast, if you still think that's where he came from.
Colin
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Glad to hear you got him sorted. What was his job? It might help to place where he came from in the northeast, if you still think that's where he came from.
Colin
Hi Colin,
I have no idea what his job was, the records on the forest of dean site just state ' Wha[?]ger '. I do think that he is part of the Lanchester / Painshaw lot however, given the Mary Croudace from Painshaw in the same area, and the other family names which match in. However I have been though the Bishops Transcripts and cannot find Marys baptism in Painshaw or surrounding districts, she would have been born in about 1813.
I still cannot find Elizabeth Croudace after her marriage to William Pascoe, and think she may have died young.
William John could have been the son of the Lanchester John, and I still think it likely he is James, Marys and Elizabeths brother, given they are the only Croudaces in the whole of South Wales, I find it odd they would be witnesses at the wedding of other Croudaces without being related. I do think it is the same James who married Sarah Ford in Bristol and was the James who died in Somerset, as I have records for two of his children and believe one died and one was in the poorhouse in the 1841 census at age 14, I have reason to believe the daughter in the poorhouse may have had an illegitimate child at age 15.
The strange thing is I have a photocopy of the parish record for ' William ' Johns marriage and it just shows ' John ', so maybe he dropped the William as and when.
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Could "wha[?]ger" be wharfinger ?
At the present state of affairs it might be safe to say James in Bristol is the one born 1800, but it's possible that there is another James, Elizabeth and Mary related to your William John. Perhaps related in some way to the Penshaw family. You Mary seems to be 10 years later than the other who was a governess and doesn't seem to have married.
Colin
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Could "wha[?]ger" be wharfinger ?
At the present state of affairs it might be safe to say James in Bristol is the one born 1800, but it's possible that there is another James, Elizabeth and Mary related to your William John. Perhaps related in some way to the Penshaw family. You Mary seems to be 10 years later than the other who was a governess and doesn't seem to have married.
Colin
Wharfinger, thanks for the suggestion !
There is only one Mary Croudace, the governess, in South Wales, unless of course there was another Mary and she died, and another James who also died.
It is a real puzzle, if only I could find Elizabeth on the 1851 census.
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If he was a wharfinger then he owned or managed a wharf and presumably had some assets. If you haven't done so, it might be worth checking for a will if you know when he died, or have a rough idea. You mention that he was only John on his marriage, does it also give an indication of whether he was a bachelor or widower?
Another avenue to explore could be a newspaper article for the death of James which might mention relatives.
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Thanks.
He was a bachelor.
I have just come across another Croudace born in Monmouth who would be of the same generation as ' My Johns ' or ' My William Johns ' children. An Emily, unmarried in the 1891 census.
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I've only found 2 Emilys in the families I've covered and they were born 1828 and 1848 so I'm assuming there's no influence in the naming of the one in Wales. There was another family in Wales who was a gamekeeper from Streetlam near Barnard Castle but by the time of the census there were no children at home. I think it is more likely that the one in the workhouse could come from this family as gamekeepers were poorly paid (apparently). It might be worth checking for your William John being born there. I'll see if I can find anything.
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The Emily I have was born in Monmouth in abt 1848.
I know the other John Croudace you mean, he lived in North Wales.
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The gamekeepers out of the game then!
There's another branch which I know nothing about, and they are in the Whitby / Bridlington area which has an obvious connection with the sea. Have you checked those out?
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Hiya, I'm not sure if there is a connection, but like you guys I'm tracing the Cruddace tree, and Ive managed to get back as far as abt 1790 with Robert, who was from Barnard castle, he married someone called Elizabeth, but i have no more info on her.
They had 3 children that i know of, James, Martha and Thomas.
James was a pitman, and his father Robert was down as a "farmer of 88 acres"
Does any of this match up with anyone else's info?
probably a long shot, but always worth asking ;D
Tracy
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Hello Tracy, welcome to Rootschat and to the Cruddace thread.
I don't have many details of the Barnard Castle / Streatlam families, but others might be able to help. It could be your Robert that married Elizabeth Stoddart on 15th May 1823 at Staindrop, he was from Barnard Castle.
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Tracy
My Cruddace's are from Barnard Castle but unfortunately I am stuck in 1815 with William and still can't find him.... maybe he is related to your Robert.... I have been through all of the Barnard Castle transcripts looking for Cruddaces and there is this one
26 dec 1790 Baptism robert son of robert and mary cruddas on p167 of the Barnard Castle transcripts on www.familysearchlabs.org
I've only gone from 1785 to 1814, so if you look you might find some info either side. The transcripts go from 1762-1846.
Hope that helps
Claire
PS if you find a William anywhere I would be very grateful!! :)
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Hi guys, and thank you for the welcome.
i did a bit more digging, and found a Robert who was christened on 26th Dec 1790 in Barnard Castle, might be the same one, his parents are showing as Thomas and Mary.
The only other one i found was in Staindrop, christened 02 March 1782, parents are showing only a mother Ann, no father, so im more inclined to think it was the first one, as Robert had siblings born after him, so there must have been a father.
Colin, where can i find out online about the marriage you mentioned?
i know on BMD the records only go back to 1837. Without more details i cant really order any cert's to confirm him.
Thanks
tracy
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PS if you find a William anywhere I would be very grateful!! :)
Claire, do you have membership on ancestry?
ive just had a look, and there is someone by the name of Cheryl on there that has a "private member story" about a William Cruddace born 1815.
it might not be the same william, but i guess its worth asking.
Tracy
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Hello
I just had another look at the Bishops Transcripts and it definitely says Robert and Mary of Stainton on there. Where is your info from? It seems a huge coincidence that there are two on the same day in the same place. If yours are from the original records it could be that it was mistranscribed in the copy for the Bishop. There is only one cruddas baptism on that day on the transcripts.
Claire
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Ooooh I do Tracy.... will have a look.... thanks for that....
Claire
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PS Try this link for the Bishops Transcripts page. Not sure whether it will work or not
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;w=280;p=imageBrowser
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Hello
I just had another look at the Bishops Transcripts and it definitely says Robert and Mary of Stainton on there. Where is your info from? It seems a huge coincidence that there are two on the same day in the same place. If yours are from the original records it could be that it was mistranscribed in the copy for the Bishop. There is only one cruddas baptism on that day on the transcripts.
Claire
Hiya,
I got my info from familysearch.org, i typed in his name, and thats the info it came back with.
I have just looked at the link you sent, and i i am going to look into that possible link now, i am trying to find the actual birth record for Robert and Elizabeth's son James, i have his marriage cert, but cant find any records of his birth.
He was "of full age" when he got married in 1840, so if anyone can spot anything on that, id be very grateful ;D
Tracy
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The only James I can find is James son of Robert and Martha Crudice of Copley, Labourer baptised Feb 4th 1816 in Cockfield p139 of Bishops Transcripts http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;w=297;p=imageBrowser
I do have a marriage for a Robert and Martha in Barnard Castle
29 Dec 1804 Marriage Robert Cruddas and Martha Harker p323 Barnard Castle Transcripts
That wouldn't, however, fit in with your Robert born 1790 or Robert and Elizabeth.... but......
They did round the ages on the early censuses....... and Robert could have got remarried if Martha died.
Sorry I seem to be making your search more difficult rather than easier...... (but mother Martha does match up with having a daughter Martha......)
Sorry I seem to be making your search harder and not easier!
The marriage that Colin was talking about is here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1309819;w=507;p=imageBrowser on p89
Unfortunately it doens't say whether he was a bachelor or a widow.
Sorry for not being more helpful, but it may have opened some avenues......
Claire
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Thanks for all that claire,
ive been doing some more digging, trying to find more on James, and i have come across a daughter born to Robert and Martha in 1821, same area, Cockfield, that James was from.
The info i have on James, is from his marriage cert.
Im starting to think maybe there was more than one marriage for Robert.
Il keep searching, and with any luck ill be able to order some cert's soon.
Any luck with your William yet?
Tracy
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I have also found a Martha Croudace d of Robert and Martha (Husbandman) baptised May 17th 1829 in Cockfield p 216. This definitely doesn't fit in with Elizabeth but is a bit of a coincidence.
Claire
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I realised I already got in touch with Cheryl before via Genes Renunited and she was having the same problems as me. Then ancestry crashed >:(. But I will try again.....
Claire
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Hi,
Glad to see you are making progress. I'm tied up for a few days but will try and keep a running brief on how you are both getting on.
Tracy, I'm not sure if you are getting into the BT's or not. They are not searchable and have to be manually accessed. The records for Staindrop are also available on there. Perhaps Claire will advise if you need help?
I noticed that you mentioned a possible second marriage for Robert to Martha. How about checking for a burial for Elizabeth around 1800 at Barnard Castle?
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Colin,
Well from what i have found, it would appear that if this is the same Robert, he married Martha first, then married Elizabeth later.
Ive been sifting through all the burial entries for barnard Castle, Staindrop and Cockfield, but cant find anything for cruddace, or Cruddass or even Cruddice lol.
if they aren't the same person, they may be cousins, or maybe related in some other way, ill have to search hard for this one i think.
What are the "BT's"??? sorry blonde moment lol
Tracy
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BT's are the Bishops Transcripts - the pages where I found the baptisms etc......(that I think you are looking through now?)
Not a blonde moment.... :)
Claire
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I searched on www.durhamrecordsonline.com and I found a marriage for a Robert Cruddas born Cockfield in the Teesdale district. I can't unfortunately find it on the transcripts to find the wife. It costs to get the details on durham records online, but it could be the Robert Elizabeth marriage you are looking for (of course it might not be.....)
I need to get on and sort stuff for going away now - I'm off for a couple of weeks but will keep an eye out.....
Claire
modified - the marriage is in 1833 which would fit in with the details we have so far
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Thats brilliant Claire, ill go check it out now.
my head is spinning trying to piece all this together lol.
Have a good time on your hols, ill keep you both posted as to if i find out more.
thanks again for all your help ;D :D
Tracy
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Hello Colin, I am a 'newbie' to the site and have come across your mails re yr surname. My Great,Great Grandmother was Tamar Cruddas b 1810, Middleton in Teesdale, have you come across this name in yr research?
I have not been able to get beyond her marriage and family to her parents, she did have a son-in-law Thomas Cruddas who married Tamar's daughter Isabella in 1852 and he came from Patterdale, Westmorland so I had wondered if that was where some of Tamar's family originated.
Would I 1) get this info from Durham Records
2) is it easy to access
3) is it costly?
Hope you can help, thank you. Genie.
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Hi Genie,
Welcome to the gang, the more the merrier ;D
I've come across the name of Tamar but haven't researched or documented that line. In the dark and dusty regions of my memory I associate the name with Shady Cruddace who was most likely from the Streatlam / Barnard Castle line.
I'd like to help but I seem to have fallen at the first hurdle, which is Tamar's baptism. If she was baptised in 1810 in the Diocese of Durham then the entry should have father's name and where he was born, as well as the mother's details. I've checked the Bishops Transcripts for Middleton in Teesdale, on familysearch website, a couple of years either side but no luck.
One thing that's puzzling me, was Cruddas the birth name of Tamar or married name? It's the son-in-law with the name of Thomas Cruddas that doesn't quite make sense, and I couldn't find his marriage in 1852.
Regards,
Colin
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Thank you for your interesting reply and sorry that I didn't give enough info - Tamar b1812, d Oct 1886 in Rookhope, was married to James Wall b1811 in Eggleston, (I have drawn a blank with James' parentage too), I did intend to send for the marr cert if I could find the date of their wedding, until I was advised that it is only later certs that show father's details. (I am very green at all this!)
On the 1851 census Thomas Cruddas (spelling on census is Curdass) is described as son-in-law, Lead Smelter, but Isabella b 1834 was not on their census so she must not have been in residence that night. On same census 'Tamar' is also wrongly transcribed as being 'James'.
Hope this is clearer and may mean something to you. Thank you for your interest. genie
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Hi Genie,
I've seen the 1851 and I now doubt that Thomas Cruddas married Tamar's daughter as he is Tamar's son! The relationship is in respect to the head, James Wall, and son-in-law could also mean step-son.
On the IGI his baptism is shown as 20th Feb 1831 at Patterdale, son of John and Tamar Cruddass
There's also the marriage of James Wall to Tamar Cruddas on 8th Feb 1834 at Middleton in Teesdale
Both are extracted from parish registers and not member submissions so should be reliable.
The way I see it, Tamar was a widow when she married James Wall, so to find her maiden name we would need details of her first marriage, or a birth certificate of one of her children born after July 1837 when civil registration started.
I'll have another look later,
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Genie,
I've had another look at the BT's for Middleton in Teesdale and think this must be Tamer's baptism. (image 191)
Tamer Walton born Nov 28th 1808, bapt 2nd April 1809, daur of Miles Walton of Middleton, Miner, by his wife Mary Collinson both native of this parish of Middleton.
This was followed soon after by a burial - Tamer Walton wife of Miles Walton of Middleton, Miner, died 21 May 1809 buried 23rd May 1809 aged 43 years
However, it pays not to jump to conclusions because I then found another baptism - Mary Walton born 16th Dec 1810 bapt 13th Jan 1811, 2nd daur of Miles Walton of Middleton, Miner, by his wife Polly Collinson, both native of this parish
If these are your Tamer's family then you know her parents' names and where they were born, and that mum Mary was also known as Polly. And there's a good chance that the burial was of her grandmother so that's a further generation.
Regards
Colin
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Well I never! That is amazing and shows how easy it is to be led astray! Tamar and James Wall had a son James (my Great Great grandfather born 1843 and his son, also James, b 1876, had his last child, (Ann/Nancy nee Martindale appears to have died in childbirth, I am awaiting the death cert to confirm this) and the child was called Polly! Until now I have had no trace of any other Polly.
Well done! I am very impressed at your sleuthing powers, I have Ancestry and cannot get a sniff of the details you have provided. Thank you. Genie
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Forgot to write that Polly (Wall nee Forster) b 1879 was my Great -grandmother. G
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And it was all available for free! ;D
It looks as though you will now be pursuing the Wall and Walton lines, rather than the Cruddas connection, but if you are interested Thomas and wife Isabella are in the 1861 transcribed as Cruddap (looks to me like the old style of a double s, ie Cruddafs) and he gives his birthplace as Eggleston. The marriage is probably the Weardale one in 1854 to a possible Isabella Elliott.
Good luck with your research,
Colin
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Colin, thanks to you, in no time at all I have got 6 generations with the Walton connection!! Wonderful!
It looks as though the Isabella is not Isabella Wall that married Thomas Cruddas then, I'll have to sort that out another day, all this time travel has me exhausted!
Thank you again, I am amazed by your wizardry through all these census, registers and lists, you're a star! genie
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Genie, thanks for the praise but you still don't know if Tamer Walton is the right one :(
Here's the marriage at Middleton in Teesdale that just about clinches it (image 458 of the BTs)
John Cruddas of this parish, Bachelor, & Tamar Walton of this parish, Spinster, were married by Banns 26th Nov 1829
(very surprising!) Both signed their names, as did the witnesses Thomas Brown & Betty Raine
Must go now, I've got a halo to polish ;)
Regards,
Colin
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hi i am new here ,my grandad was cruddas and he was born in houghton le spring in county durham on the 29 june 1912 ,he nothers name was jane and i think he was named after his dad ,it seems the cruddas come from the family of dubson who had changed there name from darlin ,we hav a grace darlin who is very well know as saving some people at sea in the forfarshire wreck in 1838 ,she was born in baburgh in northumberland ,anyone know anymore
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Hello Paul, and welcome.
It would help to know your grandad's full name. If you have his birth certificate then the details of his parents and occupations would also help to locate them in census.
Regards,
Colin
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hi all i have his name is wilfred cruddas ,he was born in the black boy public house on 29 june 1912 in houghton le spring in county durham ,i dont have his fathers name but his mothe s name was jane so i hav been told and i also think his dad was called wilfred as well, he joined the army at the start of WW11 and left to to sickness and worked on the seach lights in london till the end of the war ,I think his dad married a dobson from houghton le spring as i can not find a cruddas before the 1890s ,so any help would be great thanks
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Hi Paul,
Wilfred's birth in 1912 confirms mother's maiden name as Dobson. Looking on FreeBMD for a groom surname Cruddas and bride surname as Dobson within the previous 20 years gives William Cruddas and a possible Jane Dobson, married in the last quarter of 1899 In the Hartlepool district, vol 10a page 239.
On the 1901 census William and Jane are living at Heworth. He was a 21 year old coal miner (stonework) born Hetton. Jane was 23 born Ferryhill.
I'll see if I can get further back with William.
Colin
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FreeBMD birth registration, William CRUDDACK, Houghton 10a 494, 2nd quarter 1879.
1881 census, Hetton le Hole
William Cruddus Head Mar 42 Coal Miner born Cumberland
Martial Do , wife Mar 42 born Durham
Elizabeth dau 21 Durham
Mary A dau 14 Durham
William son 2 Durham
Checking 1861 to clarify wife's name of Martial, living at Kibblesworth
William Crodace head Mar 23 coal miner born Cumberland
Matilda Do wife 22 born Kibblesworth
Elizabeth daur 10m born Gateshead Low Fell
FreeBMD marriage, 2nd quarter 1859, Sunderland 10a 525
William Croudace and possibly Matilda Watts
I think this gives you quite a bit to be going on with, but if you want anything more then just ask.
Regards
Colin
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I am looking for any information on aWilliam Crudace and Mary Mellany. They had a sone, Peter Mellanby Crudace born 1817 in Durham. He was a ships carpenter. He married Elizabeth Mellanby 1848. I know Peter came to Australia and that his wife died in England before she was able to migrate out . They also had a daughter Mary Mallanby Crudace - do not know if there were other children.
Any information would be wonderful
regards
Lorrie
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Hi Lorrie and welcome to Rootschat, :)
I believe you may have contacted me previously about Peter's family and I sent the following details as an email attachment, which you might have missed. If there are any other details you would like then you have come to the right place to ask. ;D ;D
I couldn't find any information about Peter's father William, but someone else might.
Regards,
Colin
Family of Peter Crudace of Stockton
At St. Thomas Church, Stockton, there were no Crudace baptisms between 1810 – 1826
In Sunderland, Holy Trinity Baptisms,
Born 17.9.1819, Bapt. 9.4.1820 Mary Mellanby dau of William Croudace & Mary Mellanby, Low St., Labourer.
In the June quarter of 1848 there is a marriage in the Stockton District of Mary Millanby Cruddace to Robert Ward, and this may well be her, and a sister of Peter.
Stockton, Holy Trinity Marriage,
Page 142 entry 284
1848, May 30th, Robert Ward of full age, Bachelor, Farmer, Stockton son of Robert Ward, Farmer
Mary Millanby Crudace of full age, Spinster, dau of William Crudace, Farmer.
Both signed. Witnessed Ralph Wilkinson, Elizabeth Wilkinson (both signed).
Found at Bishopwearmouth, St Michael,
Page 163, entry 1297, 25th Dec 1816, Peter son of William & Mary Croudace, Wearmouth, Labourer.
Also, found at Monkwearmouth, St Peter.
Page 61 entry 182, William Carruthers, Bachelor of this Parish, Mary Mellanby, Spinster of this Parish, married by Banns with consent of parents this 29th day of March 1815. Both signed quite neatly, but very odd that he signed Carruthers (note – consent of parents, was a standard entry, does not imply under-age, but could do).
Witnessed Thomas Watson, W Robson, both signed.
Stockton, Holy Trinity Register of Marriages, Page 94 No. 188.
1845, Nov 6th. Married by Licence
Peter Mellanby Crudace full age, bachelor, ship carpenter, Stockton, son of William Crudace, labourer.
Elizabeth Mellanby full age, spinster, Stockton, daughter of John Mellanby, master mariner.
Both signed. Witnessed William Mellanby & Henry May (parish clerk?)
Stockton, Holy Trinity baptisms
Page 77 No. 608
1846, Oct 25th, William Mellanby, 1st son of Peter Mellanby & Elizabeth Crudace, Stockton, ship carpenter.
Page 105 No. 828
1848, Oct 29th, Jane, 1st daughter of Peter Mellanby & Elizabeth Crudas, Stockton, carpenter.
Page 134, No. 1060 (marked ‘P’ = Private, at home?)
1851, March 10th, Margaret 3rd child of Peter & Mellanby Crudace (sic), Stockton,
ship carpenter.
Page 149, No. 1177
1852, April 25th, Mary Agnes 3rd daughter of Peter Mellanby & Elizabeth Crudace, Stockton, shipwright.
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Thanks Colin - Its nice to see others are "hitting brick walls" with finding their ancestry - but enjoying the challenge - like me.
yes you had given me most of that information before. I am wondering if Peter had any brothers or sisters. I have not to date found any. Also have not found William and Mary's death dates.??
Regards
Lorrie
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Hi Colin
I am new to Rootschat - my name is Peter Pascoe - and Elizabeth Croudace born Painshaw 1799, was my gtgtgmother.I know all about the Pascoe line/history back to the 1700's when they were in Bristol, but I had drawn a blank on the Croudaces. So I was fascinated - and thrilled! - to find your threads on them on roots chat.
I would be very pleased indeed if you could let me have details of Elizabeths forefathers and what they did.
How does roots chat work? Can you email details to me? ( ps you probably know that Elizabeth died in childbirth on the day she gave birth to my gtgfather)
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Hi Peter, thanks for the PM. If you could send another with your email address (they are not allowed in a posting for security reasons) I would be happy to pass on the details. It's still a bit hectic here so it might not be tonight.
Regards,
Colin
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While browsing through the Durham Bishops Transcripts for Chester le Street for unrelated names to the Croudaces i have come across various entries for Croudaces. They are for the 1780/81 period. These transcripts are on line at Familysearch.org but unfortunately are not indexed so therefore one has to "trawl" through the entries.
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While browsing through the Durham Bishops Transcripts for Chester le Street for unrelated names to the Croudaces i have come across various entries for Croudaces. They are for the 1780/81 period. These transcripts are on line at Familysearch.org but unfortunately are not indexed so therefore one has to "trawl" through the entries.
Hi Kabeja,
Thanks for the thought but I think I have covered all that area, and even further, for the Croudaces and I am happy to pass the details on to anyone interested. They turned out to be unrelated to my line as far as I can tell. My line has come to a dead end with James Cruddace born c1797.
Colin
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Hi
I am also searching for William Croudace circa 1814-16 without much success.
If anyone is looking for him in the 1841 census his name is transcribed as Crandall and he is living at Fellside Wickham.
I know he married Sarah Turnbull of Beamish in the parish of Tanfield - parents Robert and Isabella.
If anyone has any further info on William I would be interested!!
My mother in law was a Cruddace.
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Hello Cheryl,
I'm afraid I can't help with William, but Littleclaire has him in her lines. She may be away as she hasn't been online for over a week now. As far as I know she hasn't been able to find his baptism.
Regards,
Colin
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In the book 'A North Country Estate - The Lumleys,and Saundersons as landowners, 1600 - 1900' by T W Beastall, ISBN 0 85033 180 3, there is the following information on page 50 :
" In 1813.... The Lambton agent, Croudace, the tenant of Lumley Thicks farm under Lord Scarbrough..... "
and on page 51. :
" James Croudace occupied 168 acres at £210 p.a. 4 horses a year "
James Croudace was Land Agent for the Lambton family. The reference to '4 horses a year' meant that, as tenant, he had to provide four men and horses to lead wagons of coal along the wagonway from the Earl of Scarbrough's pits at Lumley.
Wearsider.
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I think I Am in the right place looking for informatiom on william CRUDDAS BD 1790 married mary they had 7 children thankyou
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Hi
I am also searching for William Croudace circa 1814-16 without much success.
If anyone is looking for him in the 1841 census his name is transcribed as Crandall and he is living at Fellside Wickham.
I know he married Sarah Turnbull of Beamish in the parish of Tanfield - parents Robert and Isabella.
If anyone has any further info on William I would be interested!!
My mother in law was a Cruddace.
Hi Cheryl, have we been in touch before? Sorry I only just noticed this, life has been a little crazy.
Still no luck with William. One day I hope!
Hope all is well
Claire
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Hi ,
Not sure that Geni has been around for several years, but I see you're still plodding on Colin.
I'm an Elliott and all of my fathers ancestors were from Weardale.
Re Tamar Walton b 1812, I found this information
John Cruddas b 1805 married Tamar Walton Nov 1829 at Middleton in Teesdale
They had a son Thomas b1831
John Cruddas died in 1832
Tamar married James Wall in 1834 in Middleston in Teesdale
They had 4 children Henry, Elizabeth, Mary Jane and James
I think James Wall was from Boltsburn/Rookhope.
In the 1851, 61,71 and 81 census' they are living at Stotsfield Burn or Boltsburn.
I've attached a photograph of Tamar.
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Thanks for the contribution, Sue.
I gave up researching several years ago, but still visit Rootschat on a regular basis.
Good luck with your research.
Colin
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Thanks for the contribution, Sue.
I gave up researching several years ago, but still visit Rootschat on a regular basis.
Good luck with your research.
Colin
Thanks for the reply Colin. Weardale becomes more complicated the further back you go as so few surnames in the genepool, sons were all called after their father!
Best Wishes
Susan