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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: nortybaby on Saturday 08 November 08 21:26 GMT (UK)
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Hi All,
Hope someone can help ??? !! I have an Adam Prittie emigrated to Ontario from Co Tip in the ?early 1800's. I need to find out if there's any info over there which might indicate who his parents are (father was poss Henry Prittie b. 1743). As far as we can make out he married a cousin - Mary Prittie and they went to Canada leaving daughter Mary with custody of property in Mucklin Co Tip.
He's a really slippery customer to get hold of. This info was found on the IGI (both from British Isles and North America):
"Adam Prittie Pedigree
Male
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Event(s):
Birth: 1772 Nenagh, Tipperary, Ireland
Christening:
Death: 02 NOV 1870 North Elmsley Township, , Lanark, Ontario
Burial:
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Parents:
Father: Prittie "
At this point I have found various books that indicate he ended up at a place called Pretties Landing.
I would really like to find out more (like a death cert) that might give me smidge more info on his parentage.
Any and all assitance / suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!
Cheers,
Julie
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Hi Julie,
Unfortunately Adam's death register has no parents names given. His death was registered by a John Prittie but it doesn't state what his relationship to Adam he was, this may or may not be helpful.
Lisa
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Adam & Mary arrived in 1819.
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Hi Julie (just pipped at the post by Lisa but I will post these details anyway)
I have found the following:
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
about Adam Prittie
Adam Prittie
1819
Canada
1851 Census of Canada East, Canada West, New Brunswick, and Nova Scotia census has
Canada West - Ontario
Lanark County
Drummond Township
Adam Pretty, Farmer, born Ireland, C of England, age 65
James(or possibly Jane) Pretty, born Ireland, Baptist, age 70
John Pretty, Labourer, born Canada, C of England, age 23
(given the name of the informant in the death entry below this might tie in with that, despite the difference in spelling)
I have found what looks to be his death details but sadly no mention of either of his parents
Ontario, Canada Deaths, 1869-1934
Name - Adam Prettie
When died - 2 Nov 1870
Male
Age 88
Profession - Farmer
Where born - left blank
Certified cause of death and duration of illness - Old age. Several years.
Physician's name - Dr Cowan
Description and residence of informant John Prettie, North Elmsley
When registered - 7 April 1871
Relig. denom. of deceased - Ch. England
Sign. of registrar - Jas. L Moore
Division - Nth Elmsley
County - Lanark
Regards Nell
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Hi Lisa & Nell,
Thank you both for your replies! Computer had a little hissy fit so I'm sorry I didn't reply sooner.
Every little bit helps. This is a heap more than I had this morning so I'm very grateful to both of you. This is my first foray into Canada and I can see it's going to be interesting.
I think John may have been his son. This is in addition to the Mary they left behind. This Mary was my ggggrandmother so that would make Adam's wife my gggggrandmother (or not! that's what I'm trying to discover).
Either way - thanks again. I'll let you know how I go.
Cheers,
Julie
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A few "Prittie's" mentioned in books for Canada.
OurRoots
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/
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Was Adam's wife Mary Caswell? I know you mentioned she was Mary Prittie but I have some notes regarding Adam Prittie from Nenagh and wife Mary Caswell from Limerick who settled in Drummond Twp. Lanark co. Ontario..
I'll dig them out although there is nothing naming his father I don't think.
Karen
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Here are some links to a few notes about him.
http://books.google.com/books?id=LzJN9ee6YbYC&pg=PA85&lpg=PA417&dq=Adam+Prittie,+Dunally&lr=&hl=de&output=html
http://books.google.com/books?id=LzJN9ee6YbYC&pg=PA417&dq=Adam+Prittie,+Dunally&lr=&hl=de&output=html
http://books.google.com/books?lr=&hl=de&output=html&id=1cZnAAAAMAAJ&dq=Adam+Prittie%2C+Ontario&q=Adam+Prittie&pgis=1#search
Karen
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Hi Karen,
I have seen reference to Mary Caswell but this is where it gets a bit murky. My info is that he married a cousin - Mary Jane Prittie. He may be Francis A Prittie's brother so father would be Henry Prittie. Anything you have referring to Adam would be most gratefully received!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for the book ref's - I'll check them out now and let you know how I go.
Cheers,
Julie
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More Links
Family Tree
http://pasverre.com/Slekt/Paulc/bf_a.html
Drummond Township
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onlanark/TownshipPapers/Reel111DrummondTwp.htm
"Moonrakers" - Caswell relatives
http://www.moonrakers.com/genealogy/caswell/relatives.doc
"Irish Migrants to Canada"
You can search for a library close to you
http://books.google.ca/books?id=LzJN9ee6YbYC
Janice
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From the OurRoots link above
Directory of nursing archival resources in Alberta
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=6888
Gazetteer and directory of the county of Simcoe
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=4519
Grande Prairie
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=6116
Growth : a history and anthology of the Synod of Alberta of the Presbyterian Church in Canada
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=4351
Heritage of service
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=5306
Historical review, June 23-24, 1951
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=3632
A History of Upper Canada College
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=816
Manitoba, its resources and people
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=12026
Ten years in Winnipeg
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=12352
They Gathered at the River
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/toc.aspx?id=4173
Janice
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Hi Julie,
I don't have Henry Prittie having a son Adam. I have several Prittie trees as one of the daughters married into the Perry family that I am researching. Burke's Landed Gentry and other Burkes publications also don't have Adam listed as a son of the "main" line.
I do have a reference to an Adam Perry of Tipperary who has a will extract (somewhere) which is dated 1799. It is likely an extract from Betham but I didn't take notes. It does however suggest the the name was used in the family but probably from a sibling or uncle of Henry. I'll do a little sleuthing though as I know I have more Prittie files buried somewhere ;) .
Karen
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I haven't dug up my files yet but an idea just occured to me.
The 1851 census lists Adam and Jane (recorded James) as being 65 and 70 years old. If John "Pretty" is their son and 23 years old then Jane was 47 years old when he was born. Possible but unlikley back in those days.
Could Jane (or Mary Jane) perhaps be his 2nd wife? He would have been 42 years old when John was born and normally the 1st wife was somewhat younger and it wasn't unusual for the 1st wife to be 6-10 years younger. John is likely the youngest child as he is the only one listed living with them on the 1852 census and his siblings may be married and out of the house by then. Perhaps Adam remarried a cousin after Mary Caswell died? Jane certainly seems to be a little old to be John's mother.
Just an idea.
Karen
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1822 Perth Military Depot (Village), Lanark County
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04w4/
Here are the images for the 1851 Census that Karen is talking about.
1851 Drummond Twp, Lanark County
"Adam Pretty"
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002355515.pdf
"Thomas Pretty"
http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1851_pdf/e095/e002355521.pdf
Keep your eye on this site for the other census to be transcribed
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04w5/
Janice
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Lanark County Genealogy
(cemetery listings)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04w5/
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Hi Karen & Janine,
Thank you both for the links - it makes pretty interesting reading!!
It's quite possible she was his 2nd wife. I just have no idea. The reason I came looking was that my 3ggg-grandma was a Mary Prittie who married Pat O'Connors/Connors. She was living in Mucklin in a property owned/leased from lord Dunalley. This was as a ?legacy (for want of a better word) from her parents. She & Pat had 3 daughters (that we know of) who were born there around 1830-1840. The 3 daughters came to Australia and I can rack them from there. I was then given this:
"A Licence of Marriage without Publication of Banns was granted to Adam Prittie of Mucklin in the Co. of Tipperary Farmer and Mary Prittie of Silvermines in the Parish of Kilmore County of aforesaid and Diocese of Killaloe Spinster February 17 1816 Security Thomas Prittie of Silvermines."
I have seen this in a number of places including the Caswell book.
Don't mind iftyey're not in the main line - I'd just really love to find out what the story is. ??? ??? ??? I have a heap of little bites of info and am trying to piece them together - what a job! I really appreciate your help.
Cheers,
Julie
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Granny's Genealogy
http://granniesgenealogygarden.com/Granny1/marr1.html
A History of Drummond Township
"Adam Prettie"
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04w7/
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I had also seen that Marriage Bann notice but you must also consider that they may just have written her (future) married surname instead of her maiden name. Just an idea but I have seen this before on several occasions.
The Thomas Prittie named as security would be a close relative and likely a brother to either Adam or Mary or even a father. If you can find him you might be able to take it from there.
I'll check if I have a Thomas Prittie in my tree.
Karen
PS. Do you know if Adam had more children and their names and order of birth? The Irish did usually stick to a naming system that can often be of help identifying the grandparents.
1st son named after paternal grandfather
2nd son named after maternal grandfather
3rd son named after father
1st daughter after paternal grandmother
2nd dau after maternal grandmother
3rd daughter after mother
Sometimes the variation was used that the names of the maternal grandfather & grandmother were instead used for the oldest of each sex and then the paternal side. In any case the eldest son and daughter usually had the same names as one set of grandparents and the 2nd born of each sex carried the names of the other set of grandparents. Not always - but very often, especially among the gentry families who were very proud to pass down the names.
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Hi karenb,
Sorry it's taken me so long to reply - it's been a big week. Anyhoo, I know they had my Mary, but they also had a son John, who I believe either went to Canada with them or maybe a little after. There was also a Bridget(found in Griffith's) who may be in the mix as well.
As far as I understand it John had a son who he named Adam Francis (possibly named after Francis Aldborough who may or may not have been Adam senior's brother or father).
I'm sorry, I don't know which order John and Mary were born. This bunch are just about doing my head in but I'm determined to figure them out! So, I really appreciate the tips and help you have given me. What I really need to do is get a look at Burke's Peerage (I have been told there is mention of Adam in there)- currently trying to get an inter-library loan but proving difficult as I live in the country.
Cheers,
Julie
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Hi Julie,
I have 2 editions of Burke's peerage and there is no Adam mentioned. One is published 1836 and the other in the 1880s.
I have a book on the Tipperary gentry with a chapter on the Prittie family. It notes the lack of sons in the family and that each generation had only one son and one had two.
The only 2nd son was Richard Prittie who was a younger brother of Henry Prittie. He married an heiress in Wexford and lived for some time in Dublin. I have the name of his wife somewhere but haven't been able to track any children. It would be fairly certain, however, that he would have also inherited land near Kilboy, Silvermines from his father (although he ended up living in Wexford). He may have passed these lands on to a son.
I can't find much more about him but no "Henry's" had an Adam.
If you send pm me your email address I can send you a copy of my Dunally listing from Burke's and can also scan the pages about the Pritties from my gentry book. It might take a day or two though.
Karen
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Hi karen,
Have pm'd you - thank you very much for your offer. Much appreciated!!!
Cheers,
Julie
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My wife's family is all descended from George Thomas PRETTY, born Chicago, IL to Thomas Alexander PRETTIE. Their name is spelled PRETTIE on George's birth certificate, George changed it after his father died and he joined the US Merchant Marine. Thomas has a brother, Adam (born 3-17-1874 Ottawa, son of John and Margaret (Manning?) PRETTIE died 12-23-1932) both are named as steamfitters on the 1910 US Federal census for Chicago, Cook County, IL. My wife's cousins and I strongly believe there is a family tie to Adam and Mary PRETTIE of Drummond.
Adam was a soldier in the Napoleonic Wars, that is how he came to be part of the 1819 Richmond Settlement. See http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~crossroads/barry/99th_regiment.html for some excellent military and Canadian colonial history. Adam was a private, that is how he came to have 100 acres. This link (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onlanark/Land_Property/landgrt6.htm) has a specific additional land grant of 58 acres for him bringing him to 158 acres total.
Adam Prettie, emigrant, Drummond, C7, whole of Lot 27?, 58 acres, and C5, whole of Lot 27, 100 acres, total 158 acres, located Oct. 14, 1819, settling duties performed.
I continue to hope to help my in-laws to find their roots in Canada and perhaps Ireland so I will be looking in on this thread from time to time to see what else I can contribute to this discussion and just maybe learn the connection of Adam and Thomas' parents John and Margaret to the right Ontario Prettie family!
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if I could figure out how to post I might be able to participate.
I am related to the CASWELLs and would like to asist with some of the possibilities for ADAM.
1. have the original census been reviewed
-my cursory review has the parents living with a son or grandson.
2. there is a Naval Captain involved rather then a regimental Capt. of Foot
3. Adams birthdat and certainly my Grand Aunts are not correct in 'OUR CASWELL Relattives by Shirley Mayse (of New Zealand when she put this amazing bit of deduction together
4 I believe I have some plausible results for JOHN CASWELL (Married a PALATINE; CORNEAL/Corneille Cornelius)
Sincerely
James Waddell
Sudbury Ontario
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Hi James,
Welcome to RootsChat :)
I am sorry but tr1957nyc email address has stopped working and we have been unable to get a message to him with your reply, done a search but no postings since 2012. :'(
Regards
Sarah
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Try this link.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yiq/
Maybe they still go on there?
Janice
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They were online yesterday :D, perhaps someone could let tr1957nyc know that we are trying to contact him about his notifications not working?
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi James,
Thanks for your reply. I'd love to find out more about Adam. I got a wee bit cranky with him (as he is as slippery a fish as I've found so far) in my research, so haven't done a lot lately. I'll get out what I have and see what I've got. Maybe, between us, we might be able to get a bit further. Will get back to you soon as I can.
Cheers,
Julie
PS: Welcome to Rootschat - it's a marvellous site with a lot of wonderful folk always willing to help!!! :D :D :D