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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: ash213 on Thursday 06 November 08 13:26 GMT (UK)
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Looking for a spelling..
Great grand parents came to england from Russia or Poland.
When they came to England they authorities shorterned their name to KOSKY from something like BLACHSKOSKY
My dad doesnt have correct spelling. if anyone could help out, that would be great. THANKS
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Hi, do you have a few first names/dates?
If they were here before 1901 we can look on the census.
You can look for births/marriages/deaths on freebmd.rootsweb.com
You can look for naturalisation records on the NA catalogue:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/Default.asp?j=1
Note: 'the authorities' did not shorten anybody's name. Immigrants often shortened or changed their names to make their own lives easier, though. There will most likely not be any legal trace of the name change.
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Bachkosky occurs as a surname, in case that helps
Anna :)
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If it were transcribed phonetically from Polish, I'd guess at Blaczkowski or Blachowski. In Polish, a 'c' can have a guttral 'ch' sound, as in the scottish 'loch'
I have a book (Polish Surnames, Origins and Meanings), which shows that 10 years ago, there were 747 people living in Poland with the name Blachowski and 235 with the name Błachowski.
The name originates fron 'sheet metal, or tin', suggesting that in generations past the family were metal workers.
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I agree with Rob: "Blaczkowski or Blachowski"
This also applies to the KOSKY part of your name:
Be prepared for variant spellings: KOSKI, KOSKIE, and with a W - KOWSKY, KOWSKI, KOWSKIE, etc
Were they jewish ? in that case this could also apply:
Another possibility is to follow the jewish aspect and try www.jewish.gen
Lots of pages with all kinds of data, and if you register (free) you can search for and enter your KOSKY name in the FamilyFinders section.
Good luck,
Bob
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I am also searching that name too, I am aware of other spellings used in Poland, but even over here I have encountered 3 different spellings of the name within my family... Koksy, Koski and Koskie. My Kosky's came from Poland too, from the Slask area, which fits in with another reply u have received which says about the name suggesting metal/tin workers in the family, Slask is an area of tin mining. Can i ask which Kosky's you are looking for?? I have come across a few in my search, we might be able to help each other!!
Kerry x
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Hi
I am not looking for anyone inparticular but it would be interesting to find some family, or the history behind my surname.
This is what I know.
My dad is Gerald Kosky, his dad is Cyril Kosky, his brother is Arthur Stanley Kaye, and their parents were Joseph Kosky and Annie Kosky.
I would like to find anyone related, connected and also the parents of Joseph Kosky and Annie Kosky.
I believe they would of had the extended version of the surname.
My dads' dads brother Arthur Kaye is buried in Anzio
http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=2373359
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Hi
Dates are almost as important as names!
FreeBMD at www.freebmd.org.uk has a birth of an Arthur S KOSKY, mmn LEVINE, Mar 1918 Hackney 1b 557. Is this the birth of the Arthur who later became Arthur Stanley KAYE?
Anna :)
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Hi
Dates are almost as important as names!
FreeBMD at www.freebmd.org.uk has a birth of an Arthur S KOSKY, mmn LEVINE, Mar 1918 Hackney 1b 557. Is this the birth of the Arthur who later became Arthur Stanley KAYE?
Anna :)
Answering my own question - it looks likely, because there's a later Kosky/Levine birth which seems to match what you have said about your grandfather. In case he's still living, I won't give more details here.
Anna
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Hi
Dates are almost as important as names!
FreeBMD at www.freebmd.org.uk has a birth of an Arthur S KOSKY, mmn LEVINE, Mar 1918 Hackney 1b 557. Is this the birth of the Arthur who later became Arthur Stanley KAYE?
Anna :)
Answering my own question - it looks likely, because there's a later Kosky/Levine birth which seems to match what you have said about your grandfather. In case he's still living, I won't give more details here.
Anna
Yes that will be him.
Please post all details here, my grandfather Cyril passed away a few years ago.
Thanks
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You can find him for free on the site I linked to - www.freebmd.org.uk. He's there as Cyril B. Kosky, birth registered in the Mar 1925 quarter.
It looks also as though he died Dec 2001 Havering, Essex - death registered as Cyril Bertram Kosky born 17 Feb 1925.
Do you know when Joseph & Annie Kosky are likely to have died?
Anna
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You can find him for free on the site I linked to - www.freebmd.org.uk. He's there as Cyril B. Kosky, birth registered in the Mar 1925 quarter.
It looks also as though he died Dec 2001 Havering, Essex - death registered as Cyril Bertram Kosky born 17 Feb 1925.
Do you know when Joseph & Annie Kosky are likely to have died?
Anna
This is all correct , thanks.
I have no info about Joseph and Annie Kosky.
Could you help at all ?
Deaths would have probably been in London
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maybe i have found them
Births Mar 1879
Levine Anne Poplar
Births Jun 1897
Kosky Joseph Whitechapel
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Marriages Jun 1917 (99%)
Kosky Joseph Levene London C. 1c 64a Scan available - click to view
Levene Annie Kosky London C. 1c 64a Scan available - click to view
although the other record is Levine and this is Levene , i recon they are the same person...
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I would recommend purchasing the 1917 marriage certificate, which will give you Joseph and Annie's ages, father's names, occupations, etc. Hopefully then we can identify them in earlier records. (There seem to be a number of marriages for Joseph Kosky, so hard to say if the 1897 birth is him).
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ shows Arthur's name change, dated 8th April 1942 - Arthur Stanley Kaye, of "The Lodge", Marlow Road, East Ham, Essex, a natural born British subject, renounced and abandoned the name Kosky and assumed in lieu thereof the surname Kaye.
Interestingly enough, he does not appear to have been the only one to make the Kosky -> Kaye change.
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I would recommend purchasing the 1917 marriage certificate, which will give you Joseph and Annie's ages, father's names, occupations, etc. Hopefully then we can identify them in earlier records. (There seem to be a number of marriages for Joseph Kosky, so hard to say if the 1897 birth is him).
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/ shows Arthur's name change, dated 8th April 1942 - Arthur Stanley Kaye, of "The Lodge", Marlow Road, East Ham, Essex, a natural born British subject, renounced and abandoned the name Kosky and assumed in lieu thereof the surname Kaye.
Interestingly enough, he does not appear to have been the only one to make the Kosky -> Kaye change.
You have been a great help.
Where would i purchase the marraige certificate ?
Thanks alot!
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You have been a great help.
Where would i purchase the marraige certificate ?
Thanks alot!
You can purchase certificates online for £7 each:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Anna :)
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You have been a great help.
Where would i purchase the marraige certificate ?
Thanks alot!
You can purchase certificates online for £7 each:
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Anna :)
THANKS
its asking me for the gro index, do you know what number this is , for this particular marriage >?
SORRY, WORKED IT OUT NOW!
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ok, ive ordered the marrage certificate, hopefully it will help!
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my father says Joseph Kosky comes from a place called Photz in Russia.
anyone know anythuing about this place ?
thanks
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The Joseph Kosky previously mentioned birth whitechapel 1897 is my gt gt grandfather. The birth cert says he was born at 134 Brick Lane and His parents were Barnett Kosky and Yetta Kliman he also had a brother born in 1905 named Jack. I do not think the mentioned marriage is connected to my gt gt grandads birth, my gt gt grandad was sent to a workhouse in 1909 and later became known as Sydney kosky and married Rosa Wollard 20/12/1930, going onto have 2 children Margaret and Richard - margaret is my nan. But as read you have said your Joseph kosky came from Russia, just don't want you to go searching if it may not be your relative. My gt gt grandad died noted as sydney koski (yes, spelling change!!) in 1959 and is sadly still missed by my nan xx
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The Joseph Kosky previously mentioned birth whitechapel 1897 is my gt gt grandfather. The birth cert says he was born at 134 Brick Lane and His parents were Barnett Kosky and Yetta Kliman he also had a brother born in 1905 named Jack. I do not think the mentioned marriage is connected to my gt gt grandads birth, my gt gt grandad was sent to a workhouse in 1909 and later became known as Sydney kosky and married Rosa Wollard 20/12/1930, going onto have 2 children Margaret and Richard - margaret is my nan. But as read you have said your Joseph kosky came from Russia, just don't want you to go searching if it may not be your relative. My gt gt grandad died noted as sydney koski (yes, spelling change!!) in 1959 and is sadly still missed by my nan xx
This is getting interesting and complicated. Well Joseph and Annie Kosky married and had two children - Cyril and Arthur. Arthur took up the Kaye name later in life- I dont know why, maybe due to Joseph and Annie divorcing ? Can we find a divorce record for the couple ? If they did then Joseph may have re-married ?
I think it's Joseph's parents that are from Russia.
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It looks likely that your respective Josephs are different people. Bear in mind that there were no fewer than three marriages of men called Joseph Kosky in East London in 1917 alone (per FreeBMD).
Ash213, in your first post which started this thread you said that your great-grandparents came from Russia or Poland. If that is the case one would not expect to see (your) Joseph or Annie's births in England.
The change of name from Kosky to Kaye may well have been an attempt to Anglicise the name. I wouldn't assume that a divorce was involved.
Anna :)
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Can't help noticing this from the National Archives:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=5110345&j=1
A relative perhaps? Note the spelling of the original Russian name: Blaschkofsky
Anna
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My Joseph's parents are Barnett Kosky and Yetta Kliman, they came to england from Poland in 1895, Barnett's father was also Barnett (!) and they were from the slask area of poland, but JOseph's father barnett has bankruptcy records 1910 - 1914 which he is listed as an Austrian Jew, which threw us into a confused state, but as explained by Berlin Bob, Poland was divided back then so he can still be polish but actually be an austrian jew, so did russia come into that equation?? i can see that there is time within the dates for Joseph and Annie to divorce and for him to re marry, I agree there, Joseph and Rosa's marriage cert says that in 1930 Jospeh's father Barnett was decesed, but... me and my mum have had many discussions over this... and as said Joseph and his brother were put into a work house around 1909, so did they actualy know their parents after that?, was his father just presumed to be dead? Sorry i'm waffling on and my relatives might not have any significance to you at all!! When you get the marriage for Joseph and Annie, please let me know what it says, my gt gt grandad may have a secret!! x
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Sorry I meant that Joseph is my gt grandfather... me and my mum have done so much family searching recently i got confused!! x
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I will read all this later and try and work out a few things.
One thing for certain im sure that marriage i talked about earlier IS from my family although the Joseph Kosky may not be the one im looking for, which could make sense as I said my Joseph Kosky may be from Poland therefore wouldnt be on that record right ?
Anyone know the place, PHOTZ. I cant find anything at all.
Thanks.
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Anyone know the place, PHOTZ. I cant find anything at all.
Perhaps this is a reference to Plock:
http://www.jewishgen.org/jgsi/pale.htm
and
http://www.answers.com/topic/plock
Anna
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Can't help noticing this from the National Archives:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATLN=6&CATID=5110345&j=1
A relative perhaps? Note the spelling of the original Russian name: Blaschkofsky
Anna
blimey, looks possible.
what does that record relate to ?
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[what does that record relate to ?
If you click on the hyperlink I provided in reply no.23 above, you will see that it is a naturalisation record.
Anna :)
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[what does that record relate to ?
If you click on the hyperlink I provided in reply no.23 above, you will see that it is a naturalisation record.
Anna :)
Thanks
Anyone know of good sites to trace russian names like the above?
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does anyone have any records of the Blaschkofsky name entering the UK ?
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I am just wondering something. Im looking at the incoming passenger list into the UK and cant find any Blaschkofsky or JOSEPH KOSKY on the list.
I searched JOSEPH KOSKI and some come up.
Is it possible he was listed as KOSKI when coming over ?
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Yes def is possible, it could be the person who wrote the records interpretation of his surname. My family started as Kosky, then went onto spelling it Koski and later Koskie!! Confusing I known, but with surnames like this spelling changes really need to be kept in the equation!!
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Blaschkofsky makes no sense in Polish.
sch = sz. They have a similar sound.
kof = kow. Sound vaugely similar
The ending... male... would be i
The ending... female... would be a
Similar would be with Blachskosky
A google search will bring up loads of Blaszkowsk(y/i/e)
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Blaschkofsky makes no sense in Polish.
sch = sz. They have a similar sound.
kof = kow. Sound vaugely similar
The ending... male... would be i
The ending... female... would be a
Similar would be with Blachskosky
A google search will bring up loads of Blaszkowsk(y/i/e)
Thanks for the advice
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Just recieved Joseph Kosky's marriage certificate and his father is Solomon Kosky. Cant find any records on the free search site.
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Just recieved Joseph Kosky's marriage certificate and his father is Solomon Kosky. Cant find any records on the free search site.
You've said a couple of times on this thread that it was Joseph who immigrated from Russia/Poland - if that's true, one would not necessarily expect to see records of his father Solomon in English records ???
You may be interested to see an explanation of the etymology of the name Blashkovsky (which is likely to be a cognate of Blaschkofsky) in the account of Jewish family names linked here: http://tinyurl.com/58gfmh
Anna :)
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Just recieved Joseph Kosky's marriage certificate and his father is Solomon Kosky. Cant find any records on the free search site.
You've said a couple of times on this thread that it was Joseph who immigrated from Russia/Poland - if that's true, one would not necessarily expect to see records of his father Solomon in English records ???
You may be interested to see an explanation of the etymology of the name Blashkovsky (which is likely to be a cognate of Blaschkofsky) in the account of Jewish family names linked here: http://tinyurl.com/58gfmh
Anna :)
Thanks for the advice.
I notice there is a Solomon Kosky who entered England on the Ancestry web site, but I do not have access to the records as I dont have membership.
Could anyone be nice enough to have a look at the record for me, if they have membership? It says he entered Southampton.
Thanks ALOT!!
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Hi
Arriving 20th June 1954 at Southampton from Quebec, on the "Atlantic"
Names & Descriptions of Alien Passengers
Port of Embarkation - Quebec
Port of Landing - Southampton
Solomon Kosky
Aged 76 (c1878)
Travelling 2nd Class
Proposed Address in UK - 21 Wailet Road, Dostan Lane, London
Profession or Occupation - Cabinetmaker
Country of Last Permanent Address - Canada
Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence - Other Parts of the British Empire
Country of which Citizen or Subject - Stateless
Kind regards
Gaie
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Hi
Arriving 20th June 1954 at Southampton from Quebec, on the "Atlantic"
Names & Descriptions of Alien Passengers
Port of Embarkation - Quebec
Port of Landing - Southampton
Solomon Kosky
Aged 76 (c1878)
Travelling 2nd Class
Proposed Address in UK - 21 Wailet Road, Dostan Lane, London
Profession or Occupation - Cabinetmaker
Country of Last Permanent Address - Canada
Country of Intended Future Permanent Residence - Other Parts of the British Empire
Country of which Citizen or Subject - Stateless
Kind regards
Gaie
Hmm...maybe not him if he was 76 in 1878.
his son joseph was 29 in 1917 and lived at 28 Philpot Street if this helps.
Any other ideas of where we could locate his father Solomon, and when and where he entered the UK?
thanks guys
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No, this Solomon was 76 in 1954 (estimated birth year 1878)!!!
Kind regards
Gaie
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No, this Solomon was 76 in 1954 (estimated birth year 1878)!!!
Kind regards
Gaie
Oh right, thanks, dont think its him though as they entered UK before 1900's.
Thanks alot though. Really apprecieate the help.
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Got some new info...
Solomon Koski
Age 20 in 1901
London - Whitechapel
Occupation - Tailor
Married in 1903 - Possibly to Helen E ??
Could anyone find anymore info ?
Thanks alot!!
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If your Joseph was born about 1890 (aged 27 in 1917 from the marriage certificate to Annie Levene?)
then Solomon Koski born about 1881 from the 1901 census cannot be his father.
1901
RG13 Piece 301 Folio 147 Page 33
45 Faldgate St, Mile End New Town, Whitechapel, London
Hyman KOSKI Head 46 Tailor b Russia British Subject
Sarah Wife 46 b London
Harry Son 24 Tailor b London
Solomon Son 20 Tailor b London
Philip Son 17 Tailor b London
?Louis Son 14 Tailor b London
Toby LEVIN Serv married 47 Servant Domestic b Russia
What occupations are given for Joseph and Solomon on the certificate? Are they both down as tailors?
Kind regards
Gaie
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Where does the certificate say Joseph was married? Was it in a synagogue? If it was then it might be worth checking out their records if they still exist.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Where does the certificate say Joseph was married? Was it in a synagogue? If it was then it might be worth checking out their records if they still exist.
Kind regards
Gaie
Great Synagogue in the west end, london.
Yes both Joseph, his wife Annie and his father Solomon were tailors
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i think Solomon must of been born before 1870 at least.
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could this possibly be him off the ancestry site?
1920 United States Federal Census
Census & Voter Lists
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Preview
Name: Solomon Koski
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Name: Solomon Koski
Birth: abt 1870 - location
Arrival: year
Residence: 1920 - city, Houghton, Michigan
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Hi
I would get in contact with the synagogue to see what extra information they might hold regarding Joseph and his family.
I believe the full marriage entry in a synagogue provides a lot more information than that given on a GRO marriage certificate, including place of birth and the names of unmarried brothers, which could be useful.
At the moment you have no information on where Joseph was born or under what name; again the synagogue may be able to help you.
http://www.yell.com/listings/DoFindListings/324425/West-End-Great-Synagogue/Places-of-Worship
gives the contact details.
Kind regards
Gaie
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Hi
I would get in contact with the synagogue to see what extra information they might hold regarding Joseph and his family.
I believe the full marriage entry in a synagogue provides a lot more information than that given on a GRO marriage certificate, including place of birth and the names of unmarried brothers, which could be useful.
At the moment you have no information on where Joseph was born or under what name; again the synagogue may be able to help you.
http://www.yell.com/listings/DoFindListings/324425/West-End-Great-Synagogue/Places-of-Worship
gives the contact details.
Kind regards
Gaie
Do the synagogue hold info this old?
Do they charge for giving out information ?
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Hi
I don't know, if you get in contact with them you can ask them!
Kind regards
Gaie
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everytime i phone synagoge no one answers!
signed up to ancestry trial but it will not let me view any foreign records, doh!
can some one provide me with these details or this record? THANKS
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could anyone plz do this?
thanks
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I don't know if this post is still active but I am related to Barnet Kosky through my mother. If this is still an active thread, I'd appreciate a response so we can see if we're related. Barnet was my great-grandfather. His daughter Kate was my grandmother and Trudie Ross, married name Smith, was her daughter. My mom Trudie was known as Gittel as a child. She recently passed away here in the US at the age of 80.