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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: crankyvet on Wednesday 05 November 08 00:38 GMT (UK)
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I Would love someone to point me in the right direction.I am chasing information on the surname "Kent" from the Nottingham area. All i have is Gladys Christine Hooton (b24/01/1886)married Reginald Vernon Kent , son of Mr Kent of Kent and Cooper of Nottingham on the 30th April 1908.My father (Stephen) was born at 156 College Street, Long Eaton on the 27/12/1910. I would dearly love to learn more about my fathers family and its roots.I have a book on grandmothers side (Fletcher house of lace).I'm not having much luck searching, all the sites i seem to look at want $$$. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks all.
Anthony.
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There only seems to be one birth reg for a reginald Vernon Kent
FreeBMD
Reginald Vernon Kent
Mar qtr 1886
Nottingham 7b 276
then there is
1901
54 Parchment Rd
Croyden Surrey
Reginald V Kent Lodger 15 Pianoforte makers apprentice b. Mansfield Notts
in household of Edward bridges and family
RG13 646 121 47
Suz
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haven't located reginald in 1891 yet - but there is this Kent family in Nottingham
1891
24 berridge Avenue
Sherwood Nottingham
John Kent head M 49 Butler Dom Servant b. Kent Minster
harriet wife 48 Croxton Leics
John son 17 Brass Finisher Manchester
Thomas son 13 Milltown Derbys
Arthur Grandson 5 Nottingham
RG12 689 53 47
Do you have the marriage cert ?
if so - who are the witnesses???
Suz
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Now - this looks like it could be reginald's family - mistranscribed as "rent" -image reads "Kent"
1891
10 peverill St
Nottingham
Walter J Kent Head M 31 Pianoforte Tuner Kensington London
Louisa E M wife 24 London
Reginald son 5 Hyson Green nottingham
(wife also entered incorrectly - as Louisa Em -when she was laura E M )
and next door
10 peverill St
Matt Cooper head M pianoforte tuner Exeter Devonshire
Ada Cooper sister U 33 Exeter Devonshire
RG12 2690 139 38
(matt Cooper listed as married -but no wife present )
Maybe they were in business together???
Suz
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Reginalds parents in 1901/
30 West gate
mansfiel Notts
Walter John Kent head M 41 Pianoforte and Organ dealer - employer S Kensington London
Laura E M wife 34 hemel hempstead London
S.T son 5 mansfield
E.M. daughter 3 Mansfield
RG13 31 41 35 10
(maybe reginald in 1901 gives p.o.b. as mansfield Notts because his siblings were b there -Reginald's birth was reg Nottingham -so mst likely he would have been b at Hyson green as stated in 1891 )
marriage reg freeBMD
Mar qtr 1890
Nottingham
Walter john kent
Laura Elizabeth Holmes
7b 309
Suz
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and here is mr Cooper in 1901
17 Wellington Square
Derby Rd Nottingham
Matt Cooper head M 40 Piano & Music Seller employer Exeter Devon
Eliza wife 50 Chelsea London
RG13 3165 42 36
maybe Mr Kent and Mr Cooper had more than one shop
Suz
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this looks like the birth reg's of reginald's siblings
FreeBMD
Sydney Tom
Jun qtr 1896
mansfield
7b 113
Edna Mary
Sept qtr 1897
Mansfield
7b 122
Suz
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Mr Kent and mr Cooper are at the same address in 1881
55 grove Place kensington london
Elizabeth morgan head U 33 Dressmaker Middlesex london
Amelia Morgan sister U 32 Dressmaker Middsx london
Eliza Spiers? Lodger U 33 lady's outfitter Middsx lodon
Matthew Cooper Visitor 20 Piano Tner Exeter Devon
Walter J Kent Nephew 21 Piano Tuner Mddsx
RG11 43 70 55
(wonder if Eliza Spiers(very difficult to read) the Boarder is the Eliza who matthew Cooper married???
Suz
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Dear Suz, I can't thank you enough for all you have done. I'm finding it a bit hard to absorb at present however having said that i would certainly like to know the best way to follow up on these people. Cant rely on others to do all the hard work you know.
Should I contact the births, marriages and death registry in Nottingham and purchase birth certificate after birth certificate or marriage after marriage.Not sure what would be the best way for me to check all this out. Any suggestions would be a great help.
Anthony.
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Hello Anthony & Suz,
Crumbs Suz....that's brilliant stuff! ;D
Here are a couple of things to help you along.
A couple of baptisms from the Notts FHS index;
Mansfield St Peter – parents, Walter John & Laura E Mary Kent.
Sydney Tom Kent – 18th July 1896, fathers occupation; Piano dealer, Leeming St, Mansfield
Edna Mary Kent – 19th October 1897, fathers occupation; Pianoforte dealer, Leeming St, Mansfield
Marriage - Nottingham St Mary, 6th March 1890
Walter John Kent & Laura Elizabeth Mary Holmes
Sheila.
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We are quite happy to check the census for you - but you do need "key " certificates to confirm we have the correct family
I am having difficulty tracing Walter pre 1881 - there are a couple of possiblities
Maybe if you purchase the marriage certificate of Walter John and laura Elizabeth M that would be a good idea.
That would give fathers names and occupations of bride and groom -and witnesses sometimes are related.
Do you have the marriage cert for Reginald - if so what were the witnesses names???
You can look on the 1881 census free at family search -maybe look for laura Elizabeth holmes????
you can also look at www.historical directories .com free to see if the kents and Coopers are listed in businesses
there is also the IGI on family search for bmds - but mainly they are earlier records -so when you have got a little further back you can look at that.
If you are in nottingham you can go to the library records office/archives and look at parish recordsmarriages etc.
At your local library you can use Ancestry.com free - so you could check the censusetc which I have given to you - you would be able to print the census details out - which are always nice to have for your records
Suz
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Will get onto this, just thought i should let you know although I was in Nottingham in 1987 i am from Perth W. Aust.
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oops-forgot- you can order certificates on line from the GRO (General register Office) You need the reference no -volume and page -which I have given you - but look them up yourself to check on FreeBMD -this will also get you used to using the sites.
If you contact Nottingham register office to order the certificate you will not need the ref nos -just the quarter year and name/s.
The register office does not accept payment over the phne you will need to write in enclosing chequepostal order -or if you re able you can visit in person.
If you decide to use the GRO and need talking though the prceedure -please ask
Certificates cost £7 each
BMD registration/certificates are available from Sept qtr 1837 when registation began. (although registration was not compulsory in the early years)
Just start piecing together the information you have and then we can get help you to get back further.
RootsChatters are a friendly bunch and very willing to assist - between all of us we have lots of information -never be afraid to ask for a look up - or advice - we all enjoy helping out .
IApologies as I omitted welcoming you to the site
So a BIG HELLO and welcome from me
Suz
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You can use the GRO -they delver to Oz - just takes longer.
meanwhile I will look up Laura's family.
and I will ask my Auntie (she's 89) if she remembers kent and Cooper music stores in Nottingham/mansfield area. She may remember as she was/is a pianist
Suz
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This looks like reginald's mothers family
Birth freeBMD
laura E M Holmes
Dec qtr 1866
Newington Surrey
1d 196
(check this on freeBMD)
1871
hemel hempsstead London
Bary Mill(Hill?) End
Thomas Holmes head M 29 Baker Nottingham
Elizabeth wife 29 Mansfield Notts
Laura daughter 4 Newington Surrey
RG10 1386 69 26
1881 - they were in leicester!
North Bridge Inn
1 frog island
Leicester
Thomas Holmes head m 39 Licenced Victualler Nottingham
Elizabeth wife 40 mansfield
Laura daughter 14 Dressmaker London
henry Morre Boarder W 40 Wheelwright Stafford
David Hill servant 17 dom serv Tur langton leics
RG11 3178 127 28
(you can check this at familysearch)
1891
83 Birkin? Ave
Radford Nottingham
Thomas Holmes head M 49 baker Nttingham
Elizabeth wife 49 mansfield
Charles Lillygrass 19 Baker Cheltenham
RG12 26 85 42
1901
Nice View Rd
Carr?anon Estate
Carlton nottingham
Thomas Holmes head m 59 Journeyman baker Nottingham (City)
Eliabeth wife 59 Mansfield
Reuben Cartman Boarder W 54 living on own means Lincoln
Rg13 3160 77 36
Suz
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I'll leave you to digest this -when you are ready for more please ask
Suz
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Found this
kelleys Directory of Nottinghamshire 1904
Walter john Kent address 9 Park Avenue mansfield
Kent and Cooper Limited, pianoforte dealers , 20 leeming Street, Mansfield
Kent and Cooper Limited, paianoforte & Music Dealers, Crown Court, Long Row West, Nottingham
Suz
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....and
mansfield in the news 1897-99
source mansfield Reporter
1897 Oct 29
Kent and Coopers Music shop has moved to larger and more central premises in West gate. They are praised for the effectiveness of their hire purchase system
Suz
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Hi have read your messages concerning the Robert and fursman family, ws wondering what you have found if anything, i have discover that Elizabeth had a child with her uncle, william Roberts who ws her mothers brother. But havent managed to trace the roberts family any further back, so any info you have would be great to hear.
Thanks,
Jason
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Hello jason,
Welcome to RootsChat.
Have you maybe posted your message on the wrong topic????
Suz
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Still cannot locate Walter John in earlier times - hopefully marrige cert will give his father's ame which may help in the search
Suz
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Walter is still proving to be very elusive
Frpm the marriage cert we know we have the correct family for laura
marriage 6 mar 1890 nottingham
groom Walter John Kent widower 30 Music dealer
father Walter john Kent Gentleman
witnesses
George henry Darby
mary friar
There is a marriage FreeBMD
Sept qtr
1882
Chelsea
names on page
Fanny caroline Stockwell
Emma maria teague
benjamin Read
Walter John Kent
1a 621
I have found a birth reg of
Fanny caroline Stckwell
Dec qtr 1862
Chelsea
1a 160
now I wonder if she married Walter?
I am pondering more.....
Suz
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Could fellow RotsChatters help out with the search for Walter John kent's family??
I am asking this on Anthony(crankyvet)'s behalf -and mine too!!!!!
This is what we have discovered so far
Walter John Kent was a music /pianoforte dealer in Nottingham and then Mansfield -he was in partnership with matthew Cooper .
Walter John Kent consistently gives his birth year c. 1860.
p.o.b. Kensington Middlesex -or Middlesex.
1901 he is in mansfield Notts with wife laura Elizabeth mary holmes (although she is louisa on 1901)
1891 he is in Nottingham with wife Laura
We have no problem tracing laura's family.
Details of marriage cert
6 mar 1890 St mary PC Nottingham
Laura Elizabeth Mary Holmes spinster 23 of Smithy Row father Thomas (confectioner)
married
Walter John Kent 30 Widower Music Dealer of All Saints father Walter John Kent Gentleman (deceased)
There is a marriage Sept qtr 1882 Chelsea of Walter john Kent - females on page are Fanny Caroline Stockwell and Emma Maria Teague
There is a birth reg for Fanny Caroline Stockwell Dec qtr 1862 Chelsea
There is a death reg for Fanny kent age 25 mar qtr 1888 Nottingham 7b 248 -but no middle name given .
But Walter could have married Emma maria teague.
Anthony is happy to send for the marriage cert
I think this is a good idea - to see who Walter gives as his father.
There is a death of Walter john kent Dec qtr 1896 age 82 St Albans - maybe his father?? Only a guess
1881 shows (in Mddsx)
Elizabeth morgan(although surname difficult to read) U 33, her unmarried sister Amelia 32, matthew Cooper (who was Walter's partner in Nottingham) age 20 Visitor Piano Tuner b Exeter Devon) and Walter j Kent nephew U 21 Piano Tuner Middsx.
I cannot find Walter John before this -nor can I find his Aunts -Elizabeth and Amelia Morgan(?)
I cannot find a Morgan/kent marriage
I have checked complete index for births of Walter John kent 1858-1861- only found Walter Kent births (no middle name)-except Walter john kent birth reg Bishops Stroford -and I think that Walter john is married and living elswhere in 1901??
I am trying to locate the Morgan sisters -if their name is Morgan????
And am currently tracing matthew Cooper (Walter's partner) to see if they had a connection earlier than 1881.
Also wondering if maybe walter was illegit -maybe son of "aunt" Amelia -but that is nothing more than a guess
Any ideas ?????
Please join in the search
Suz
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I ommitted the witnesses at the marriage of Walter John Kent and laura
they were
George henry Darby
Mary Friar
Suz
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Hi
The 1861 has a Walter Kent with grandmother Elinor/Eleanor Spiers (there is an Eliza Spiers with them in 1881). Spiers is transcribed as Spicer but I read the image as Spiers
All b Chelsea except Walter - address looks like 1 Barressa Terrace Chelsea
Elinor Spiers 50
Eliza 21
Ellen 22
Sarah 19
Walter Kent 1 grandson b Brompton Middlesex
RG9; Piece: 33; Folio: 98; Page: 13
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Now that's interesting -
You may be onto something here!
Suz
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Hi all :)
Well done, Carole!
Birth Mar 1860
Walter John Kent SPICER
Kensington 1a 112
(the family are called Spicer in 1851* - wonder if Eliza is actually the mother. There are no other girls in the household in 1851)
*HO107/1477 337 31
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Brilliant!!!
So it looks like my hunch that he may be illegit may be correct
Anthony will be thrilled with this information
Suz
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In 1881 - Eliza Spiers/Spicer is only 33
The Eliza Spiers/Spice on the 1861 was 21 so should be around 41 in 1881
The 1861 has 2 other potential mothers for Walter if he was illegit - Ellen & Sarah
Birth cert needed I reckon
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matthew Cooper (Walter John's partner) married an Eliza who was much older than him (I think) - must find that marriage -and see what her surname was!!!
Thanks Carole and Tati -what a brilliant team
Suz
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Amazing, what a team you all are.
Just a thought, my Aunty was born in Long Eaton on 30 Dec 1911. Her name was Eleanor Betsy. You mention Walters grandmother in 1881 as Eleanor Spiers, maybe my aunt was named after her.
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Amazin what new eyes can do!!!!
Just had a realization
Walter married laura in 1890 -and reginald was b 1886- so it looks like Reginald would be the child from Walter's first marriage?????
I think (if you can) it would be wise to purchase Walter's birth cert and
either
his first marriage cert
or
Reginald's birth cert.
Suz
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another little puzzle
matthew Cooper in 1891 was living next door to Walter
Matthe was described as married -but wife was not home - his sister Ada was with him (I have matthew on all census back to 1861)
1901 census
17 derby Road
Nottingham
Matt Cooper head M 40 Exeter devon
Eliza wife 50 Chelsea
RG13 3165 42 36
I am wondering if Eliza was Eliza Spiers/Spicer????
Working on that line at the moment !!!
Suz
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If you want to order certificates from Kensington and Chelsea Register office follow this link
http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/BirthsDeathsAndMarriages/general
you can also order online from general Register office
Suz
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Marriages June qtr 1882
COOPER Matt Kensington 1a 13
Spicer Eliza Kensington 1a 13
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well done Carole- so it looks like matt Cooper married the Eliza Spiers?Spicer who was with them in 1881 - wonder what relation she was to Walter????
Surely she wasn't Walter's mum and was fibbing about her age????
Suz
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Hi
We might have to wait to find out until Anthony gets a copy of the birth cert
Wouldn't be the first time an older woman has "reduced" her age when marrying a younger man
Regardless of her relationship to Walter - she was at least 60yrs old in 1901 - not 50. Be sure her sins will find her out!!
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there is a possible for Eliza who married Matt cooper
1851
Jubilee Court
Turks row
chelsea
James Spicer Head m 29 lab
Hannah wife 23
george son 3
Eliza daughter 1
all b chelsea
HO107 1472 453 26
and possiblity for her father in 1841
Chhelsea
francis Spicer 71 Lab F?
Margaret 55 I
James 20 lab yes
Patrick Dalton 41 lab I
HO107 688 14 12 19 32 7
looking at the 1861 Walter with Gran- the daughter we think is Eliza could possibly be Elinor -image not too clear????
Anthony is ordering the birth cert -so we'll find out in due course
Suz
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Certificates ordered by Anthony have arrived
Birth cert
Reginald Vernon Kent
2 Jan 1886
57 Bridlington St USD Radford
father Walter John Kent occ Pianoforte Tuner
mother Fanny Caroline nee Stockwell
residence Bridlington St Hyson Green Notts
Marriage cert (Walters 1st marriage)
14 aug 1882
Walter John Kent 22 B Pianoforte Tuner St Luke Chelsea
father John Kent Gentleman (deceased)
Fanny Carline Stockwell 19 S St Luke Chelsea
father henry? Harry? or harvy? Stockwell Occ Mechanic
Witnesses F? Belchamber, Henry Stockwell, Loisa Liddiard
Walter's birth cert
Walter John Kent (Spicer)
15 jan 1860
5 new St Brompton
mother Ellen Spicer 5 new St Brompton
no father listed
I have found (what looks like) Fanny caroline Stockwells family -and will post details shortly -after I have done a "recap"
Please join in the hunt
Suz
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Walter John Kent b 15 jan 1860 Brompton S Kensington
Mother Ellen Spicer
1st marriage to Fanny caroline Stockwell -Walter's father named as John Kent gentleman deceased
2nd marriage to Laura Elizabeth Holmes Walters father named as Walter John Kent -gentleman deceased.
1861 Walter Kent age 1 is with his grandmother Elinor Spicer (looks like Spiers) , his mother Ellen(22) , and aunts Eliza 21 and Sarah 19
1871 Where was Walter, gran , mother and Aunts??????
1881shows Sisters Elizabeth Morgan (U) 33 and Amelia U 32
with them are : Eliza (Spiers?) Spicer U 33, visitng is matthew Cooper U 20 Pianoforte tuner and Walter J Kent U 21 described as nephew.
Is walter the nephew of Eliza Spicer and not the morgan ladies?????
Matthew Cooper and Walter john Kent became partners in Cooper and kent music shops in Nottingham and mansfield.
Matthew Cooper married Eliza Spicer - who was older than him -Eliza is not at home in 1891 - wonder if this Eliza is Walter's aunt? -and told porkies about her age????? It doesn't look like matthew and Eliza had any children
Where was Eliza Cooper (neeSpicer) in 1891 ????
It seems Walter's name was accepted as kent ?
Anyone any ideas about his father????
Any idea for bastardy records???
I'll post the Stckwell information
Hopefully others will join in the hunt.
Suz
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This looks like fanny caroline Stockwells family -father Henry was described as "mechanic" on marriage cert but is a lamp maker on censs - could be Fanny wanted his occupation to sound "more important" on marriage cert???
1841
Goodmans Green Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Brass finisher 30
Henry 4
William 2
Frances 30
Frances 1
all b in county
HO107 738 15 14 21 24
1851 (henry remarried??)
Durham Terrace Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Head 39 brass finisher St Luke Old
Mary Ann wife 43 Pentonville
Henry son 14 Tin plate worker Soho
William son 12 errand boy
Maria daughter 7 scholar Wst St Johns
Jane daughter 5 Wst st Johns
Harriet daughter 2 Chelsea
Henry father W 60 Brush maker City of London
HO107 1472 311 41
1861
Cav terrace Chelsea
Henry Stockell Head M 24 Tin plate worker mddsx
Fanny wife 4 Dressmaker Kensington
Henry son 2 Chelsea
Arthur C 5mth Chelsea
RG9 31 133 39
1871
5 caversham St Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Head M 34 lamp maker Soho
Fanny wife 34 Kensington
Henry W son 12
Arthur c son 10
FANNY C daughter 8
Nellie J daugter 6
Lizzie daughter 4
Katherine daughter 1
Julia Constable Lodger 4(?) Blackheath kent
all children b Chelsea
RG10 76 37 10
Possible marriage reg
Dec qtr 1857 chelsea
Henry Stockwell
Fanny Tomey
1881
5 caversham St Chelsea
Henry Stockwell Head M tin plate worker Soho
Fanny wife 44 Needlewoman Chelsea
Arthur Chas son 20 Tin plate worker
FANNY CAROLINE daughter 18 shopwomn
Nellie jane daughter 16 dressmaker
Lizzie maria daughter 14 scholar
Catherine Emma daughter 11 scholar
Edith mary Ann daughter 9
Frank Herbert son 8
Ralph Ernest son 6
Phillip Walter son 4
all children b Chelsea
RG11 78 24 50
1891
5 caversham St
Chelsea
Fanny stockwell Head W 54 needlewoman Kensington
Lizzie daughter 24 dressmaker
Catherine daughter 21 school teacher
Frank son 18 tin plate worker
Ralph son 16 office boy
all children b Chelsea
RG12 63 154 14
Death reg
Fanny Stockwell
Sept qtr 1899
age 63
Kingston
2a 260
Possiblty witness henry Stockwell at marriage of Fanny Caroline to Walter John Kent was Fanny's brother?
Suz
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Hi crankyvet I have some information on the Kent family my Dad (Walter Frederick) he was known as Derek was the younger brother of Reginald ,Sydney and EdnaMary. My Mum Audrey contracted TB when I was born and I was sent to Mansfield to live with my Grandparents Walter and Laurafor the first five years of my life (unfortunately my Mum died when I was three) I know little about Reginald, but I knew Uncle Syd and Aunty Isa, they lived in Cuffley, Herts. Aunty Mary married U.Bill and they lived in S Africa (I lived out in S Africa for two and a half years around 1953 with A Mary) Dad was posted to Egypt. I have information about A. Marys family and I have three brothers and a sister if you want any more information please get in touch. (I also have some old family photos)
What is your connection with the Kents?
Dawn Knight (was Kent)
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Hi Dawn,
Welcome to RootsCHat
Am sure Crankyvet will be pleased to hear from you - may take a while as he was making a long slow recovery from surgery and has had to put things on hold for a few months
Please hang on in there - and is there anything we can help you with while you wait ??
Suz
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Hi Dawn,
Have contacted crankyvet - he is recovering and has tried to contact you - but he has sent you a PM - unfortunatly you cannot use this facility until you have made 3 posts - so you will not have received the message.
I have sent him a link to try and answer on the board -but don't know if he has managed to do that . He is keen to contact you
If you would like to make 2 more posts - then he can PM you - just say OK -or whatever you like or request any look ups you may be requiring
Regards
Suz
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Hi Suz
I am looking forward to find our how crazyvet is related to me. If he comes from OZ my three brothers and my sister live out there. Also my eldest son lives in Sydney so we go out there about once a year. One of my brothers has loads of family photos on facebook. there is one of Granddad Walter Grandma Laura plus Reg, Syd Mary and Derek (my dad)
How exciting is this!!!!
Dawn
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Hi crazyvet
It is so frustrating not to be able ro read your message
regards
Dawn
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Hi Dawn,
Crazyvet is the grandson of reginald vernon I think !!!!
he has been trying to message you today but of course failed
I will PM you now and give you more info
Suz
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Just a thought, my Aunty was born in Long Eaton on 30 Dec 1911. Her name was Eleanor Betsy. You mention Walters grandmother in 1881 as Eleanor Spiers, maybe my aunt was named after her.
Hi Antony,
According to my research Walter's grandmother and mother were both called Eleanor - but Eleanor Spicer - sometimes transcribed as Spiers - and forname sometimes transcribed as Ellen!!!
Maybe Dawn will confirm -or have another opinion??
Suz
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Hi Tony and dawn,
Here is the information found -as mentioned by PM
Firstly - Tony had an Eleanor betsy b 1911 who was an aunt - and I think your thoughts are correct -she ws most probably named after Walter kent's mother (and grandmother) Eleanor - who sometimes used the name Ellen.
Carole W posted 1861 census which shows
Ellinor Spiers 50
Eliza daughter 21, Ellen daughter 22
sarah daughter 19
Walter kent Grandson 1 brompton mddsx
The surname is most probably Spicer - written badly and mistranscribed as Spiers
I haven't found Elinor/Eleanor in 1841 -but this is what i have found
Most probably this is the birth/aptism of Elinor Spicer -Walter john Kents mother.
IGI -extracted
Elinor Spicer
born 1 oct 1836
christened 20 nov 1836 College St Catholic Apostilistic & Irvingate, Chelsea London
Parents
Henry Spicer
Elinor Ballard
there are also baptisms of the following:
Elizabeth Sarah Spicer
born 27 0ct 1836
baptised 26 feb 1837
St Lukes Chelsea
parents henry Spicer/E;eanor
james Spicer
b.3 feb 1835
baptised 20 nov 1835 St Lkes Chelsea
Parents Henry Spicer/Ellen
(these look like some of the siblings of Walter john kents mum )
1851
Chelsea
Henry j Spicer head M 34 Rent & Debt Collector
Eleanor wife 35 Bonnet maker
Eleanor daughter 14 scholar at home
Eliza daughter 11
Sarah daughter 9
all b Pimlico
HO107 147 337 31
by 1861 Henry had died and Widowed Eleanor was living with her daughters Eliza, Sarah and Ellen (Eleanor) and Ellen's illegit son Walter John Kent
1861
barretta terrace chelsea
Elinor Spicer Head W 50 berlin Wool Worker
Ellen daughter U 22 berlin Wool Worker
Eliza daughter u 20 berlin Wool Worker
Sarah daughter u 19 berlin Wool Worker
Walter J Kent Grandson 1 Brampton Mddsx
all except walter b Chelsea
RG9 33 98 13
more in a mo
suz
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Couldn't get back on site "in a mo" -as it was on "go slow"
following on from previous post.
Walter's Mum married -and this is most probably the registration
FreeBMD
Sept qtr 1876
Pancras
Walter Baines
Eleanor Spicer
1b 317
so that's another walter in the family!!!
Here's walter's mum as a married lady
1881
78 Chellerton St
Walter baines head m 51 Clerk in Colonial Office Lambeth Surrey
ELEANOR wife 40 Chelsea Mddsx
Lisbiana Wharton Lodger 78 no occupation Hereford
RG11 78 103 30
1891
Fulham
Walter Baines Head M 60 Government Clerk Colonial Dept Cuckfield Surrey
ELINOR wife 54 Chelsea
RG12 59 97 38
1901
2 Ocean View Promenade
Arther Lyon head M 32 Ironmonger shopkeeper Bacup lancs
Lena wife 26 Yorks
Walter baines Visitor M 72 West End London
ELLEN BAINES Visitor M 64 bromptn mddsx
RG13 4525 41 26
by 1911 Eleanor (ellen) was a widow and living with son Walter kent and family
she lived to a good age
Death FreeBMD
Elenor Baines
age 85
Dec qtr 1921
Mansfield
7b 165
I have more info on the family to post - but will leave you to digest this and then will post again tomorrow
Suz
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Hi Suz
You have been busy. I am finding it quite hard to take it all in Sent some info and photos to Tony, he had never seen any family pictures. One of Walter and Laura with Reg, Syd, Mary and my Dad Derek, unfortunately it is the only one I think we have with Reg in it,but its better than nothing.
My brother Peter has a load of old photos on Face Book so I have given Tony his phone number in Perth.
Tony said that you have worked so hard sorting things out for him.
Regards
Dawn
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Hi Tony and Suz
I don't know if you want this info. Grandma and Grandad Kent sold Glen Roy, Park Ave, Mansfield and moved down to Bromley, Kent to live with us around late forties . Grandma Laura died around about 1948, Grandad Walter died in Tenterden Kent around 1954 age I think 94.
Dawn
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I have read with great fasination the back ground of John Walter Kent, I am currently doing the family tree for a grandson (David Hodges) of Matt Cooper who was Johns business partner, would be happy to exchange information.
Ann
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Whoops Walter John Kent I should have written.
Ann
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Hi Solva,
Just out of nosiness
Was Matthew Cooper's wife related to the kents???
Suz
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Matt Cooper married Eliza Spicer the aunt of Walter John Kent, he is at the same accommadation as Eliza Spicer and Matt Cooper on the 1881 census. Matt Cooper had a second wife Annie Thornhill who he had at least 12 children. I am working on behalf of one of their grandsons.
Best regards
Ann
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Hi Ann
I suspected that was the scenario - sometimes the surname is Spicer other times Spiers
Could I ask a very large favour??
Do you have the y.o.b., p.o.b. and parents of Annie Thornhill - matthew's 2nd wife ????
I have a very large Thornhill tree - and maybe she is on there???
Suz
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Can you contact me directly on my email address annatsolva@googlemail.com, the information I have is a little bit delicate and I would not like to upset anyone.
Ann
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Ann - the mods will probably remove your e address - but have received your PM and we have a connection
Suz