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Trying again, Margaret A Blackett b.1867 wolsingham Durham, married Isaac Walker in 1885 Jan 31st. Wolsingham Durham. On cert. her father is down as Hugh Marshall Blackett spade manufacturer. He turns up again with 2 daug. & his mother Frances, the lodger & son in1861, then 1871 with more children, but Margaret does not appear with him. I am sure it is the right man as is a Forgeman employing 2 men. Margaret appears in 1881 with brother & sisters & I'm trying to name her mother.
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Hi Rubyruby,
Have you found a birth for her (with the surname Blackett)? Otherwise she could well be the lodger's daughter Ann Wheatley, don't you think? :P
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... the more so as the young John Wheatley is shown as Hugh's natural son in 1861! (which I think is incredibly lucky - you don't often get so detailed information on census!)
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OK, just seen the 1881 as well - did you notice that the now Blackett siblings are the same people that were called Wheatley in 1871?
So my theory is that Hugh Blackett never married Elizabeth Wheatley, maybe because he was already married*, but was the father of all her children
:)
*The 1851 census shows him married to a Mary Ann, age 29, b. Sunderland
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Just because you're not reacting and I really have the feeling that I've solved it, I'll list the census details all in a row here - it's easier to follow when it's all black on white
1881 census
RG11/4939 30 5
Wolsingham, Durham
John Blackett, head, unm, 22, Forgeman Iron, b. Durham Durham City
Emily Blackett, sister, 16, b. Wolsingham
Margt A Blackett, sister, 14, nurse, b. do.
Sarah J Blackett, sister, 12, scholar, b. do.
John M Blackett, nephew, 1, b. do.
1871
RG10/4952 42 27
Wolsingham, Durham
Walk Mill Green
Hugh M Blackett, head, mar, 47, Iron Forgeman - Manufacturer of spades and shovels empl. 4 men & 4 boys, b. Wolsingham
Esther Emmerson, serv, 19, b. Blk Dean St Johns Chapel
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Elizabeth Wheatley, lodger, unm, (age unreadable), b. Ebchester
John Wheatley, son, 12, scholar, b. Wolsingham
Harriet Wheatley, dau, 7, scholar, b. do. (possibly this H Blackett in 1881: http://www.rootschat.com/links/04ok/
Emily Wheatley, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Ann Wheatley, dau, 5, scholar, b. do.
Isabel Wheatley, dau, 4, scholar, b. do. (also calls herself Blackett in 1881 http://www.rootschat.com/links/04ol/)
Sarah J Wheatley, dau, 2, b. do.
1861
RG9/3727 25 3 & 4
Wolsingham, Durham
Walk Mill Green
Hugh M Blackett, head, 38, Forgeman employing 2 men and 1 boy, b. Wolsingham
Frances M, dau, 17, scholar, b. Bp Wearmouth
Elizabeth W, dau, 15, b. Yorkshire Middlesbrough
John Wheatley, natural son, 2, b. Durham Durham
Frances Blackett, mother, wid, 81, b. North Bedburn
Elizabeth Wheatley, serv, unm, 26, House servant, b. Ebchester
:)
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Just checking BMD and it seems that all the Wheatley girls married using the surname Blackett:
Isabella Blackett Jun 1888 Weardale, spouse Alfred Blackett(!)
Harriet Blackett, Jun 1888 Newcastle 10b 236, spouse Robert Little
Emily Blackett, Sep 1881 Weardale, spouse Thomas Dodd Humble
Sarah Jane Blackett, Dec 1884 Weardale, spouse Thomas Jackson
:)
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well done tati, and thanks, so you think Margaret Ann was just Ann wheatley before. I had it written down but did not connect the names. I will start to look for her birth now as Ann Wheatley
thank again.
rubyruby
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thanks for help tati, have now got elizabeth's birth & her brother & sister's birthays mother & father, mothers maiden name. Now stuck on finding their birth dates. still working my way thr parish records of lanchester abt 1815 for both of them
so that is John wheatley abt 1815 b. lanchester
& suzannah Maria wheatley ( think Dixon) or just Maria
b. abt. 1815 also Lanchester
if anyone can help. Thanks
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Sorry, I can't help with parish records but I don't think Maria was from Durham - 1841 says she was not born in county and in 1851 her birth place is Wall Northumberland :)
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RubyRuby
Me thinks there is a connection with Margaret Ann Blackett to this tree:
http://www.theblacketts.com/gedcom/individual.php?pid=I8079&ged=MalcomIII.ged.txt
Making her a descendent of King Malcolm III
;D
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That takes the Blackett line back to 1307
:o
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By my reckoning:
King Malcolm III of Scotland is the 23 x paternal great grandfather of Margaret Ann Blackett
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thanks willianscdr for all that info are you sure its right am trying to read thr all of it. where do you find all this info, as I am a mere beginner, do not always know where to look.
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I got lucky with google and the name / date nd place seemed to fit for Margaret Ann Blackett
8)
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Hi Rubyruby
I was stumped by this one for a while too. My husband's line is from Emily Wheatley (Blackett). Unfortunately the birth certificate doesn't have her father's name on it but given that Hugh Marshall Blackett is listed as her father on her marriage certificate I've decided to go with that. Elizabeth Jane Wheatley was their mother and she died in 1875. Hugh died in 1877 and on his death certificate John is the informant and his surname is Blackett. So I think they must have changed their surname some time between 1871 and 1877.... I was wondering if maybe Hugh's wife Mary Ann was in a hospital or asylum or something because Hugh is listed on 1861 and 1871 census as married but his wife is not there. Thought maybe that was why he never married Elizabeth Wheatley??
Zoels
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hi Zoels, are you the same as me & getting tied in knots with this one. In 1851 census he is just down as Marshall, there is a long list of Mary Ann Blackett's deaths, she could be one of those. What do you think about the line going back to King Malcolm III of Scotland. They like to keep the Marshall name going as my grandfather was william marshall.
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Sorry to tke so long to reply - my computer has been having "issues"...
I did have a look at the blacketts website and was told by one of the administrators to send in our info but I haven't got around to it. It's a long way back to King Malcolm and there are ALOT of gaps from what I remember. They did seem to like to keep family names going. Marshall was Hughs mother's maiden name. One of my other lines has half a dozen "William Henry's" and my direct line has even more "James Robinson's". It's tricky getting info here in Australia unless you're a paid member of something. Also tricky because my mother-in-law was adopted so we have no handed down info...
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HI
I have just read everything about Margaret Ann. My gg grand father was Hugh Marshall Blackett. As you said he did not marry Elizabeth Wheatley and I am wondering why. What happened to Mary Ann Lockey? Hugh's daughter Francis Marshall Blackett was put in the work house at Stanhope I think because she was pregnant but went on to have my grand father John William and also Elizabeth, the eldest son Marshall died when he was a child about 6 years old. I would love to get in touch with more info.
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Hi shilo, Census 1861 shows Hughs mother frances living with him, daugs, & eliza. wheatley & son of 2yrs. whether something happened to Mary Ann wife 2yrs previous ? census 1851 Hughs mother frances was living with 2 sons Thomas b.1803, & John b. 1808 plus wife margaret, at walk Mill green. Did check 1851 -61 for death of mary ann, but nothing. Found Hughs baptism in parish records Wolsingham, Aug 7th 1822 son of Frances & william couldnt make out his profession, but you probably knew all this anyway?
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Thanks a lot Ruby. No I didn't know all of that. I'm trying to contact Elizabeth Blacketts relatives, my grand fathers sister. She was born in 1876 both were born in the work house at Stanhope. Their family name is collinson.
Great to hear from you
Shilo