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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Markkelly333 on Sunday 02 November 08 17:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone
the man in this photo is my great grandfather (Obadiah William Ames) and I think it is around 1946 when he would have been 60 BUT I could be out on that.
Can anyone tell by the clothes what approx year this could be?
Also - the lady is believed to be his sister (not sure of name but we think Pen or 'Em') and I think she was older.
Does she look older to anyone else and by how many years (this may help me place her on earlier records..)
thanks for you help!
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No dates but here's a tidy
Terry
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Thank you Terry
I think the clothing looks 1940's but that is a guess really
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One from me
Irene
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Hi Mark,
Were they born in England/Wales? I had a quick look on 1901 and the birth index and couldn't see anyone who had a remotely similar name! Quite distinctive.
I think its a bit earlier than 40's but it can be deceptive on older people as they didn't change with the fashions so quickly. But Obadiah looks around 70 to me
added...just looked at your previous posts on the Ames family, I see they are a tricky lot!!!
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I would also go for about 70 for both lady and man.
I think the lady is one of those people who, very very fortunately, stays with her natural hair colouration instead of going grey like the rest of us!! ;)
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Thanks for the tidy Irene :)
jc26red : They are indeed hard to track down in the 1901 census .. I have Obadiah 's 1902 militia sign-up records now (and he was just called William Ames at that point) BUT can't track him on the 1901 census.. very odd.
I know he was 64 when he died (I have his certificate) so I think he was maybe 60 in this photo.
Looking at it again I think the lady looks a little older so may well be 70 or so.
IgorStrav: she does have lovely dark hair which sadly didn't work its way to my father (who is very white and around this age now) or me (no hair - shiney on top), ah well.
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Hi there
The gentleman's collar is soft so likely to be nearer to 1950. ...it may even still be detachable. Late 40s is likely but his pen is ink and is prob accompanied by a pencil. These are pre-biro days!!! Was he a rotarian ? his badge looks like that. To me his suit is post war but not new whereas the ladies dress is surely pre war although been upgraded with newer buttons? Where is her iron? Her hair looks coloured to me and she looks like late 60s whereas 'himself' looks early 60s. Their glasses look post war and 'private' and are similar in style....possibly just before 1950. Isn't it just speculation really 'cos different parts of the country and different age groups behaved so differently!!! Pity we can't see his watch?
Regards
Lyndon
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hi Lyndon
your note is really helpful in trying to gauge the difference in their ages and he was a member of the 'old Contemptibles' WW1 association and also I think in the Order of Buffalo which was (I think and still checking this) Round Table / Water Rats type of association, so a good spot on the button.
The glasses are similar you are right - I don't know much about the styles but he may well have had some money not to get NHS / standard frames.
Latest it could have been would be 1950 as he died after this, so late 40's it may be.
many thanks for the feedback on this
cheers
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Obadiah William AMES 1895 age 48 Burnley Lancashire Preston BU/145/35
just seen this one ???
sylvia
http://www.fashion-era.com/wedding_pics_1940s.htm#The_1940s_War_Era_
may help with date
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Have you found him in any other Census?
Found these you may have.
Obadiah W Ames in the 1891 Census b Buda Peste Hungary in 1843 a Professional Vocalist & an Elizabeth a Professional Singer aged 49 b Ohio America and lodging at 8 Victoria Road St Werburgh Derby.
RG12 / 2732 page 5
Also 1881 RG 11 / 486 page 56
at 45 Copperfield Road Mile End Old Town London
Obadiah W Ames aged 33 b Pesth Hungary a gas fitter
Emma wife aged 24 b Birmingham [? 2nd wife]
Enoch Son aged 13 b "
Emma dau aged 12 b "
Regards Wendy
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Hi
There are 2 Obadiah Ames in the 1851 census father aged 25 & son aged 2 in Aston Birmingham, son b Buda Peste Hungary father in Birmingham.
HO / 107 / 2061 page 2 at 2 Couch Street
There is more info if you haven't got it.
Regards Wendy
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hi Wendy
the OWA from Buda Peste may be (I think) the father of the OWA in this photo.. but I haven't as yet made a definite ink.
But coincidences are that my great grandfather (in the photo) OWA's mother was called Emma and he cited an 'Enoch' as his brother on his 1902 militia attestation (when he was aged 17)..
so I think that that Enoch was the Enoch in the 1881 census in Mile End and was in fact a half-brother (as I think Enoch's mother was the 1st wife of the older OWA.
That reads a bit confusingly maybe!
Sylvia : Thanks for the Burnley reference also .. I had ordered a certificate and this is the Buda peste OWA with his (looks like) FOURTH wife (!) . Busy man.
Thank you for the clothing links on the 40's styles.. will look through those now
thanks for your help both, really appreciated
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and one in color from me
Irene
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did you get the 1901 census
i am not sure if it i sent it
sylvia
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hi Irene - the colour picture is great , really nice - I've saved it as its so good - many thnaks!
Hi Sylvia, thank you so much the messages with all the additional info on them, that was really helpful, cheers.
I sent you a note of thanks which I hope you got.
cheers
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1931 photo
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Thanks for the post of the suits to compare, Sylvia - very kind
cheers
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Hi,
The woman pictured with Obadiah is my great grandmother, Emma Ames (married name Moat - she later married Walter Moat). By 1911 she had 7 children and lived in Dover. If you want to know anymore about her, please let me know! Do you have any more pictures of Obadiah, his parents, or family please?
Kind Regards,
Chris
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Hi Chris
I do have some more photos and info about OW Ames (he was my great Grandfather).
I am not sure if I can send you a private / direct message with my email address but I will see if I can.
I have more information on ancestry.co.uk which I can send you an invitation to also.
I reached a bit of brick wall with My Great Granddad's family so hearing from you in great news
cheers
Mark
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Dear Mark,
A few months ago I wrote to you about your great grandfather Obadiah Ames, brother of my great grandmother Emma Ames. Sorry, I didn't reply to your previous message as it was accidentally deleted soon after it received, and it has taken me a while to find this particular message thread on this website. I can tell you a little bit more about my side of the family and send a photo that I have of Obadiah with his family (which I have nearly finished repairing), if you send me your private email address, if you are still interested that is.
Hope to hear from you again.
Kind Regards,
Chris
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Hello Chris
great to hear from you , I have sent you a direct message with my email details on it
hope to hear from you soon
best wishes
Mark