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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Hertfordshire Lookup Requests => Hertfordshire => England => Herts Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Badgen on Sunday 02 November 08 11:42 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for the marriage date of Daniel NICHOLS b c1834 Gustard Wood, Wheathamstead, Hertfordshire, d 1896 Wheathamstead, and Susan WARNER b c1835 Harpenden, Hertfordshire, d 1871 No Mansland, Wheathamstead. It appears their eldest child was born (William) in 1858 at Wheathamstead so the marriage is possibly around 1858. Sometimes the Nichols sirname is spelt with two L's and I have seen the Warner name spelt Warren and it appears to be by the dates etc the same person. Daniel Nichols also had a second wife Maria Wright, m 1871.
Thanking you,
Badgen.
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Could it be that they didn't marry? The baptisms of some of their children are on the IGI in batch C008085 and record the parents as Daniel Nickols/Nicholls and Susan Warren/Warner. This could suggest that the parents were not married. If you look at the one in 1872 for Clara, there is no surname mentioned for Maria on that.
Are you able to look at the parish records in Hertfordshire or at an LDS centre?
http://www.hertsdirect.org/libsleisure/heritage1/HALS/famhist/parregs/
There might be extra info on the parish record.
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Hi Badgen
Daniel Nicholls and Maria Wright (nee Hornet) are my 3g grandparents. Maria was actually Susan Warner's half sister - they were both daughters of Mary Swallow. Susan never did marry Daniel - her death in 1871 is registered as Warner, likewise the births of their children are mostly registered as "X Nicholls WARNER" - with Nicholls officially being a middle name. I haven't been able to establish why they didn't marry. When Daniel and Maria married on Christmas Eve 1871, Daniel described himself as a widower. Also, Daniel died in 1901 - you'll find him in the 1901 census with Maria at West Common in Harpenden.
Hope that helps.
Regards.
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Thankyou RichardK for that information it sheds an awful lot of light on why I kept coming to a dead end. I had hoped that if I could get their marriage date I would be able to get a marriage certificate and find out from that who their parents and possibly families were. I have nothing on Daniel Nichols parents but I had a possible for the parents of Susan and that being Francis Warner and Mary Swallow. It looks like that has been confirmed now but I don't have Maria on the list with the rest of the siblings. Do you have any more information that you would like to share about this family? I'm not sure if this is the right thing to do but I will give you my email address if it makes it correspondence any easier. Thankyou so much for the information.
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Hi Badgen
I've noted your e-mail address (I imagine a passing moderator will delete it when they spot it - they don't like e-mail addresses being on display!). I'll try and dig out my notes on the Nichollses over the next day or two and send you some information. Off the top of my head, I know that Daniel was baptised in Luton in 1831 as Daniel William Nicholls (can't remember which spelling of Nicholls mind), but that his father, another Daniel Nicholls had been buried at Wheathampstead in 1830. I know there's a greater than nine month gap between Daniel senior's burial and Daniel junior's baptism, but I suspect that just means Daniel junior was a few months old when baptised. Daniel's mother was Hannah Filby, who remarried a John Maddox / Maddocks in 1839 in St Albans - you'll find Daniel in the 1841 and 1851 census living with his mother Hannah and step-father John Maddocks - indeed in one of those censuses he's actually listed as Daniel Maddox. In one of them (1841 I think) he's just a couple of doors down from Francis and Mary Warner with children Susan and Maria Hornet, at Back Lane (which I think is now called Coldharbour Lane) in Harpenden.
Daniel senior, who died in 1830, was born about 1780 at Hudnall, near Great Gaddesden, which at that time was a detached part of the parish of Eddlesborough in Buckinghamshire. I've got pretty good information on him up to 1814, because he fell foul of the poor laws that year and was 'removed' from Great Gaddesden to Wheathampstead - I've transcribed the statement he made to the magistrate in 1814. He describes various farms in Bucks and Herts he'd worked at as a young man before joining the West Middlesex Militia about 1802. He then served as a soldier until early 1814 (this is the period of the Napleonic wars of course). On being discharged he returned to the Great Gaddesden area where he'd been born, but was unable to work due to a sprained shoulder. He claimed poor relief from the parish of Great Gaddesden, but they didn't think he was their responsibility - and the magistrate agreed. The last place he'd worked before joining the militia was Wheathampstead, so they decied he was Wheathampstead's responsibility, and the Great Gaddesden church wardens were instructed to deliver him to the Wheathampstead church wardens.
He obviously recovered and married Hannah Filby at Wheathampstead in 1819.
Hope that helps - I'll e-mail you the full information when I've found my notes.
Regards
Richard.
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Thankyou Richard,
That is just wonderful that you have found and recorded all that information. I will note it in my ancestry and thankyou once again and I look forward to hearing more from you. There's been three of us looking for information on the Nichols family so you have no idea how wonderful it is that you have so much.
Thankyou.
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it's not so much that moderators don't like email addresses, it's that spammers love them. You need to remove your email address from the post above by modifying or you'll leave yourself open to spam.
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That's ok, I didn't know if it was an ok thing to do but I will remove it. Thanks again, Badgen.
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today is my first time on this site and I am amazed at what I found.i live in qld and my husband is descended from emma prickett whose sister fanny married firstly frederick nicholls and then his brother arthur daniel.i have been researching daniel nichols and susan warner and have not been able to find their deaths .i did have a marr5iage for them on 24 june 1862 but maybe this is not true. i would love to contact richard in hertfordshire and exchange information
regards marlene
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Hello Marlene
Welcome to Rootschat. I've got a few bits and pieces on the Nicholls family. Daniel and Susan's children were baptised at St Helen's, Wheathampstead (which is also where I was married over a century later - my side of the family hasn't moved as far as your husband's).
Daniel and Susan's children's birth references and baptisms where I have them:
William:
ch. 27 Oct 1861, Wheathampstead: William Nichols, son of Daniel Nichols, labourer and Susan Warner of Nomansland, Wheathampstead (christened same day as brother Frederick).
Jesse:
b. Jesse Nickols WARNER, JunQ 1859, St Albans RD, 3a, 280
ch. 31 May 1863 Jessy Nichols, son of Daniel Nichols, labourer, and Susan Warner, single woman of Nomansland. (christened same day as sister Mary Ann).
Frederick:
b. Frederick Nichols WARNER, SepQ 1861, St Albans RD, 3a, 262
ch. Frederick Nichols, son of Daniel Nichols, labourer and Susan Warner of Nomansland, Wheathampstead. (his brother William was christened on the same day).
Mary Ann:
b. Mary Ann Nichols WARNER, JunQ 1863, St Albans RD, 3a, 283
ch. 31 May 1863, daughter of Daniel Nichols, labourer and Susan Warner, single woman, of Nomansland, Wheathampstead. (Christened same day as her brother Jesse).
Alfred:
b. Alfred N. WARNER, MarQ 1866, St Albans RD, 3a, 317
Sarah:
b. Sarah WARNER, JunQ 1868, St Albans RD, 3a, 333
(Sarah and her brother Arthur emigrated together to Australia in 1889 - I heard from someone in 2008 who I think was a descendant of Sarah, who married a Zachariah Austin in Queensland in 1890)
Arthur Daniel:
b. Arthur Daniel NICKOLS, MarQ 1871, St Albans RD, 3a, 373
Susan Warner died shortly after Arthur Daniel's birth - her death was registered in JunQ 1871. Daniel then married Susan's half sister Maria Hornet (who had herself been widowed in 1868) on Christmas Eve 1871 and went on to have three children with Maria, including my 2g grandfather, George Nicholls (1874-1931).
I'd be interested in anything you have on any of the family once they reached Australia - do you have dates of marriage and death for Arthur or Frederick? I hadn't realised that Frederick had emigrated. I do have more on Daniel Nicholls, but I have to go out now - be in touch.
Thanks
Richard.
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Fantastic to hear from you ,Richard. Frederick arrived on the EL DORADO 26 June 1883.He married on 1 Nov 1890 Fanny PRICKETT born 23 Sep 1867 Friday St Thame OXF [F] George Prickett [M] Emma BRADBURY.Frederick was buried 28 April 1892 Maryborough. Fanny had two children before her marriage: Sarah Prickett 13 July 1886 and Edith Prickett 17 March 1888 and one child after the marriage : Arthur NICHOLS on 4 August 1891.
Arthur Daniel NICHOLLS arrived on the DORUNDA 2 Feb 1889 and married Fanny on 7 August 1894.He died on 25 July 1947 at his son's residence 107 Bazaar St Maryborough. Fanny died 16 Nov 1962 Maryborough.They had 4 children :
Emily 9 May 1895
Daniel 1 Sep 1897
James Victor 22 April 1900
Beatrice May 6 May 1905.
Daniel married 27 Sep 1921 in Rockhampton Q to Mary Elizabeth Eva JAMES- they had Harold [now deceased] who married Fay [still living in Mbro] and Florence who married Ron RAMPTOn
Bye for now Regards Marlene
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Hi Marlene - many thanks for that additional information. It's always nice to tie up the loose ends of what happened to the siblings who seem to disappear from England.
I've put together a little biography of Daniel William Nicholls' father, Daniel Nicholls (1782-1830), which I've put on WeRelate:
http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Daniel_Nicholls_%281%29
Hope you find it interesting.
Regards
Richard.
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This was great reading,Richard-many,many thanks!!Please let me know if I am able to help in any way.Warm wishes Marlene
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Richard, I have spoken to Fay Nicholls who said Alfred came to Australia and married in Victoria and died at Broken Hill.
She has a photo of Daniel NICHOLS and his daughter Mary Ann[ Mary Ann did not come out here] Bye Marlene
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Hello Marlene - that's very interesting. I would love to see Fay's photograph of Daniel Nicholls - the earliest photo I have on this line is Daniel's son George Nicholls and his family circa 1918. I don't suppose there's any way of getting a copy or scan made is there?
I shall have to look into Alfred going to Victoria and look a bit harder for Mary Ann in England - I haven't yet found her beyond the 1881 census when she was at home with her father in Wheathampstead. As it happens I'm going to Wheathampstead tomorrow, but not for long - we're leaving the kids with the in-laws (who live there) and having a day off!
Many thanks
Richard.
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Just been looking on the Victoria and NSW online indices - found that Alfred Nicholls married on 1 May 1895 at Warrenheip, Ballarat, Victoria to Eliza Brown. Can't see any children for the couple in Victoria, but there appear to have been four children born between 1901 and 1907 at Broken Hill, NSW, which is where Alfred died in 1910. Alfred was a miner.
Another loose end tied up - I'm gradually plugging the gaps in my information on Daniel William's children. Only two that I now don't know where they ended up - Mary Ann and and Jesse:
children with Susan Warner:
William (1857-1891) - moved to Derby and worked as a slater. Never married. Died aged 34.
Jesse (1859-?) - can't find after 1871
Frederick (1861-1891) - moved to Queensland. Married Fanny Prickett and had 1 child. Died aged 29.
Mary Ann (1863-?) - can't find after 1881
Alfred (1866-1910) - moved to Victoria (Steiglitz / Warrenheip) then NSW (Broken Hill) and worked as a miner. Married Eliza Brown and had at least 4 children.
Sarah (1868-1940) - moved to Queensland (Maryborough). Married Zachariah Austin and had 8 children.
Arthur Daniel (1871-1947) - moved to Queensland (Maryborough). Married Fanny Prickett (his brother's widow) and had four children.
children with Maria Hornet:
Clara (1872-1935) - moved to Harpenden (all of 2 miles from Wheathampstead). Married Charles Seabrook and had at least 8 children.
George (1874-1931) - moved to Harpenden (living in the same street as his sister Clara). Married Annie Maria Moles and had 7 children. Worked as a bricklayer.
James (1876-1878) - died aged 1
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Hi Richard, I have just read your latest posting -thank you.I have just phoned Fay Nicholls who is only too happy to scan the photo and post it to you.How can she get your address?She does not have the internet.
Are you able to search for her phone number and address in the white pages?[telephone directory ] - I don't like to post it on this site.
Here's a clue- she is the only F. Nicholls in the Maryborough Directory. Good luck Marlene
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Thanks for that Marlene - I've sent you a personal message.
Richard.