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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Sandra Skinner on Wednesday 29 October 08 22:10 GMT (UK)
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Looking for any information about the family of Marmaduke Hitchcox. Marriage, siblings, children etc. He was my husband's gggg grandfather. His son George Albert Hitchcox came here to Australia in 1854-1856. Have entry from 1841 census. Hoping s'one else may be researching this family and we can share our knowledge.In the census an Elizabeth Hime is mentioned. Not sure if this is his wife or mother in law or sister in law.
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Aged 45 in 1841 and shown as not b Buckinghamshire which was where he was living at that time. Birthyear would be around 1796
www.familysearch.org
MARMADUKE HITCHCOCKS Christening: 25 MAR 1796 Chadlington, Oxford
Father: SAMUEL HITCHCOCKS Mother: SARAH
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and again from www.familysearch.org
MARMADUKE HITCHCOK Spouse: ELIZA MARY HEINE Marriage: 19 SEP 1825 West Wycombe, Buckingham
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:) :) :) Thanks Carol. Had the marriage but not the birth. Still wondering if the Elizabeth Hime in the census is his wife. If so can't understand why she would have used her maiden name.
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In 1841 - Elizabeth is not shown under Marmaduke - his daughter Maria is. This is usually a sign that he was a widower
Elizabeth is (I think) 50 and shown as of independent means so I doubt she is the Eliza he married but could possibly be his mother in law if Eliza was a lot younger than him
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Yes I agree. I will persevere. Perhaps if she is alive in the 1851 census I might have some luck. Will look next time I go to the family history centre.
Thanks once again for your help.
Sandra :)
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I've checked the 1851 and came up with this entry for Bedfordshire - just a VERY longshot!!
Thomas Hine 69 surveyor and land valuer b Bedfordshire
Elizabeth 64 b Bucks Filgrove
As Elizabeth would have been 54 in 1841, her age would have been rounded down to 50 and with a husband with that occupation she would have certainly been of independent means
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Thanks sounds promising, I'll see if I can trace Eliza Mary back to them. :)
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Hi Sandra
I am a Hitchcox from Banbury Oxon.
Although I have not found a link with me I have been looking at the Marmadukes of which there are several. They appear from My part of the world just into Northamptonshire in Middleton Cheney.
I note that yours at Great Marlow was a saddler as the Hitchcox's from Middleton are also Saddlers and have Marmadukes in their line. the first I have found is Richard Hitchcox Mrd. 1765 In Middleton to Mary Maltus. he was a saddler as were some of his childrenhe he has a Marmaduke who was born and died 1774/5. The Marmadukes continue through in our area untill one born in 1924. I also looked at Shoreditch and found Menella (on 1841 census Great Marlow) Marrying a Samuel Harris in 1853.
There were also 3 chldren born and dying in Shoreditch at this time Elizabeth Heine Hitchcox B& D 1850, Marmaduke George B&D1851/2 Sands B&D 1853. also a Maria who appears to have lived 1854. David Hitchcox
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Sandra
I'm descended from Mary Hitchcox of Middleton Cheney, who married Edward Bustin in 1841. They are shown in the 1841 Census onwards in Middleton and are my gt-gt-gt-grandparents and are the Middleton family referred to by David. The Marmaduke Hitchcox shown living with them in the 1851 Census was Mary H's illegitimate son baptised in Banbury in 1830; in 1841 he is shown living with his grandmother, Elizabeth Hitchcox, at Middleton. With such an uncommon first name, I'm certain that all the Marmadukes are related, but haven't linked them all yet.
George Albert Hitchcox (GA), cabinet maker and son of Marmaduke Hitchcox (harness maker) married Elizabeth Hall at Shoreditch Register Office on 27/11/1849. The 1851 Census shows him living at 16 Gloster [Gloucester?) Street, Shoreditch and confirms he was born at Great Marlow. There were three separate households at No. 16, the second being a James and Susannah Jackson and the third being Thomas and Eliza hall and family, who I think were GA's parents-in-law. One of GA's children was called Marmaduke George, born 27/8/1851 and died 20/10/1852 of pneumonia. Interestingly one of my related Hitchcox familes in Banbury in mid 19th century had a child called Marmaduke George (baptised at Middleton in 1826) which supports my assumption that they're all related.
Marmaduke Hitchcox (GA's father) died at Great Marlow in 1845 age 49, which links in with the Marmaduke baptism at Chadlington in 1796.
I assume this is the line you're searching for. Maybe we'll be able to link our respective lines!
Colin
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Hi Sandra
Marmaduke Hitchcox's wife Eliza Mary Heine is a direct descendent of a sideline on one of my trees so I can give you outline information on her side (assuming you are interested) going back to the 1600s [the tree is very large after about 9 years research]. She was the illegitimate daughter of George Albreckt Heine and Elizabeth Chapman, although Elizabeth assumed George's surname and was buried as that in Great Marlow in 1851. George Heine died in 1815 and left a Will in which he left bequests to both Eliza Mary Heine and Elizabeth Chapman. PM me an email address (would not recommend publishing it on the forum) and I'll send you some information. All I have on George Albert was his baptism in Great Marlow and his marriage in 1849 in Shoreditch Registration District to Elizabeth Hall. Obviously he disappeared off my radar after the 1851 census if he went to Australia!!
Nicola
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Hello Sandra
My g-g-grandmother was Menella Chapman Hitchcox (born about 1833 in Great Marlow) who married Samuel Harris the cabinet maker on 17th April 1853 at Shoreditch Register Office. The marriage certificate gives her father as Marmaduke Hitchcox, Harness maker (deceased) who I think was the one trading as a Saddler in Great Marlow. The witnesses at Menella and Samuel's wedding were Elizabeth and George Albert Hitchcox. It looks as if Menella and George Albert were siblings.
I knew that a Marmaduke George Hitchcox died in Shoreditch in 1852 -- I'd assumed that this was Menella's father and that the family and Samuel had moved to London, Shoreditch being a stronghold of cabinet makers. However, if Marmaduke the father died in Marlow then the 1852 death was probably a son of Geo Albert.
The forename Sands crops up quite a few times in the Hitchcox and Chapman families, particularly in Bucks, and I think it goes back at least to Elizabeth Chapman. A few years ago I was in contact with a descendant of Thomas Chapman (who was I think a connection of Elizabeth) and she was enquiring about the names Hitchcox and Menella, so there are evidently a number of descendants still about and searching.
There's also a webpage that I found (but you may already have seen it or it may be one of your family!) which mentions Geo Albert H in Australia at http://members.pcug.org.au/~phodge/Family/wga5.html but gives his mother as Mary.
Hope you manage to get the various Marmadukes straight!
Best wishes
Meryll
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Meryll
The baptisms of the children of Marmaduke Hitchcox and Eliza Mary Heine/Chapman were as follows:
Mary Hitchcock - baptised 5 Jan 1826 Great Marlow
George Albert Hitchcok - baptised 7 May 1829 Great Marlow
Martha Hitchcock - baptism not found in Great Marlow, but born about 1831
Samuel Sands Hitchcock - baptism 19 Feb 1832 Great Marlow
Menella Chapman Hitchcock - baptism 8 Aug 1835
Menella will have been born the previous year because her mother was buried at Great Marlow on 14 Sept 1834. She probably died in or just after childbirth I would imagine. Marmaduke Hitchcock was buried at Great Marlow on 18 Feb 1845.
If anyone knows who Samuel Sands Hitchcock married in 1852, I'd be interested to know since he died in 1857.
The earliest instance of the Sands name is in the Chapman family of Wicken, Northamptonshire from which the Heine/Chapman/Hitchcock line descend. Sands Chapman son of Thomas Chapman and Bridget was baptised at Wicken on 21 May 1659 and died there about 1735 (he left a Will proven that year). Bridget Chapman may well have been Bridget Sands but no trace of her marriage exists. The Sands name also runs through the Read family of Wicken, descending from the marriage of Samuel Read and Ann Chapman in 1732. This is my line. There are a lot of descendents about of the Read family, particularly on Genes Reunited, but less down the Chapman line directly.
Sandra I haven't forgotten I said I would send you some more information, just haven't got round to sorting it out yet!
Nicola
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Dear Nicola
Thanks for your information -- it has straightened out several things I had surmised but not confirmed and it's great to have detailed dates. I'd noticed that the surname Read came up frequently on a BMD search for the forename Sands, so it's good to know that it's continued down several strands from the same source.
I did have a photograph of Marmaduke and Eliza Mary's gravestone kindly emailed to me by the lady I mentioned, but unfortunately that was among the things I lost when my hard drive died (most things were backed up or printed out, but not that).
I had spotted Samuel Sands Hitchcox, but like you I haven't found out anything further than the fact that he married and died not many years after.
Once again, thank you for your help.
Meryll
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Meryll
I think we've both had contact with the same lady, although I haven't had any contact recently. If you PM me an email address I can send you a copy of the grave photograph.
Nicola
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Nicola and Meryll – and all,
I wonder if the Mary Hitchcock who died in Marlow in 1827, aged 1, was the first daughter born to Marmaduke Hitchcock and Eliza Mary Heine and baptised 5 January 1826.
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?stoke::englandcountry::64091.html
The couple’s second daughter, born 1827, was called Maria. (Eliza Mary Heine’s mother Elizabeth had two sisters, once called Mary and the other Maria.)
Was there also a Menella Chapman Hitchcock baptised in Marlow in 1833?
There was another Hitchcock in the family: the wife of Elizabeth, Maria and Maria’s brother Thomas Chapman was Martha Hitchcock (c1778-1839). They married (ref IGI Batch M022421) on 17 October 1799 at St Bride, Fleet St. (both 21 or over; bachelor of Aylesbury; spinster of St Bride Fleet Street; By Licence; witnesses Samuel (?poss Pearson or Guildhall suggests "P[enman] (barely legible)", Mary White & Thomas Davies. This is my direct line.
So far, I haven’t been able to link Martha Hitchcock with Marmaduke Hitchcock/x. Has anyone found a Martha Hitchcock/x anywhere, possibly Oxfordshire, London, Aylesbury or Marlow? There were several other Hitchcocks married at St Bride Fleet Street about the same time: Sarah H married George Hodge in 1799; Samuel H married Elizabeth Shove in 1800; Elizabeth H married Edward Terry of Aylesbury 1801.
Meryll - The link in your message includes the name Hodge, so maybe the George Hodge above was a relative of Martha Hitchcock Chapman. It also includes the name Huxtable – and there was a Menella Mary Huxtable born in 1898 in West Buckland, Devon.
Thanks for all your postings.
Maureen
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Looking for any information about the family of Marmaduke Hitchcox. Marriage, siblings, children etc. He was my husband's gggg grandfather. His son George Albert Hitchcox came here to Australia in 1854-1856. Have entry from 1841 census. Hoping s'one else may be researching this family and we can share our knowledge.In the census an Elizabeth Hime is mentioned. Not sure if this is his wife or mother in law or sister in law.
Hi Sandra - this family is my family - George Albert Hitchcox was born in Marlow, B'shire, England 1828 and died in Waverley, NSW, Australia 1865. He married Elizabeth Hall on 27 Feb 1849 at St Leonard's Shoreditch. They had Elizabeth Heine, born 30th Jan 1850, died 4 and a half months later, 13 June 1850: Marmaduke George born 27 Aug 1851, died 14 mths later, 20 Oct 1852: Sands (male) born 29 Jan 1853, died 3 and a half months later on 15 May 1853: Maria (our common ancestor) born 24 March 1854 in Shoreditch, died 87 yrs later on 24 Sep 1941 in Sydney (she married Jacob Derrett): Eliza born Neutral Bay, NSW Australia, died 29 yrs later in Cargo, NSW Australia (she married Nicholas Bernard May) and Richard born 10 Jul 1858 in Sydney, NSW, died 9 days later 19 Jul 1858 in Sydney. My sister and I have done a lot of research - our grandmother was Blanche Ada Williams (nee Derrett), Edith Derrett's sister - Edith was (by my family tree) your husband's great grandmother!! Hope to get a reply from you very soon. Cheers, Nanette
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Hi Nanette,
Great to hear from you. Thanks also for all the information. Took me a while to find Maria's arrival in Australia. Sometimes Hitchcock is mentioned as Hitchcock and sometimes Hitchcox and also Hiscock. Would love to talk to you more. My husband's mother Gwen is still alive (Maria's great grandaughter) She has very fond memories of her. Do you know if there was any French blood in the family if so where? Gwen seems to remember someone in the family being referred to as the little French grandmother.
Where do you live? I am in Oyster Bay, Sydney. If you wouls like to reply to me personally my amail is (*) Hope to hear from you soon.
Sandra
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Hello Sandra and and Nanette,
Sandra, can you please try to find out more about "the little French grandmother" from your husband's mother? (When/where she lived in the UK, etc.?) The Chapmans (Elizabeth nee Chapman Heine's relatives) spent quite a few years living in France, mainly in Tours and possibly other areas and I've wondered if there were links there. Surnames include Chapman and Horan, but I've also found connections with French surnames.
Thanks,
Maureen
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Hello Maureen, I'm interested in the 'little French grandmother' too. I understand we have you to thank for the photo of the Marmaduke and Eliza Hitchcox grave-stone in Marlowe...Merci! Sandra and I now in personal contact so lots more sleuthing and sharing to be done.
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Hi Sandra
I am a Hitchcox from Banbury Oxon.
Although I have not found a link with me I have been looking at the Marmadukes of which there are several. They appear from My part of the world just into Northamptonshire in Middleton Cheney.
I note that yours at Great Marlow was a saddler as the Hitchcox's from Middleton are also Saddlers and have Marmadukes in their line. the first I have found is Richard Hitchcox Mrd. 1765 In Middleton to Mary Maltus. he was a saddler as were some of his childrenhe he has a Marmaduke who was born and died 1774/5. The Marmadukes continue through in our area untill one born in 1924. I also looked at Shoreditch and found Menella (on 1841 census Great Marlow) Marrying a Samuel Harris in 1853.
There were also 3 chldren born and dying in Shoreditch at this time Elizabeth Heine Hitchcox B& D 1850, Marmaduke George B&D1851/2 Sands B&D 1853. also a Maria who appears to have lived 1854. David Hitchcox
Hi David - the Maria who 'appears to have lived' came with her parents to Australia sometime between 1854 and 1856 (can't find them on the passenger lists so we don't know yet which ship). That's her (the older woman) in the photo Sandra has posted - she's our great grandmother - married Jacob Derrett. George Hitchcox and wife Elizabeth and another two children after arriving in NSW - Eliza lived (at least till 29 yrs of age) and Richard died after 9 days. Thanks for your pieces to the jigsaw puzzle. Nanette
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Hi Nanette and David,
Nanette - Do you have the photos of all three Chapman/Heine/Hitchcock gravestones at Marlow? There are other Hitchcock/x gravestones at Marlow but I haven't found them yet.
David - Do you have a Martha Hitchcock (the surname was spelled Hitchcok/ck/cks/x in the various records) born about 1779 in your family records? Although she married in London, as mentioned in an earlier posting, I suspect that she was part of the same family as yours. There are no Marmadukes in this line though.
Maureen
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Marmaduke and Eliza Mary Hitchcox are my g,g,g,g grandparents. As I understand it, their eldest daughter, Maria, married Thomas Bowman at Great Marlow in 1851. Maria and Thomas came to Australia on the ship "Herefordshire" and arrived in New South Wales on 10 December 1853. Maria died at Waverley in Sydney on 29 September 1875. Thomas died at Waverley on 31 December 1876.
I would be most grateful for any information or photographs relating to the Hitchcox, Heine or Chapman families of which Marmaduke and Eliza Mary Hitchcox are descended.
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Arriving late to the party again! Apologies if this is old news but Martha Hitchock/Hitchcox was christened in Gt Marlow in 1830 (IGI) and married George Lipscomb in 1849, dying in 1853. They had one daughter Elizth Charlotte Chapman Lipscomb. George remarried after Martha's death to Selina Mealing and their daughter, Alma, married a Collins whose daughter, also Alma, married an Ennever. There may be something of interest in this branch at www.ennever.com. Kind rgds
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Elizabeth Charlotte Chapman Lipscombe had a daughter Mary Ann in 1872 in Lambeth and then married Charles Dance on 6 Jun 1876 at Lambeth Emmanuel, dying in 1881 in Lambeth Registration District. So far I don't have anything on daughter Mary Ann after the 1881 census.
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Hello Sandra and Nanette,
Have you been able to find out more about "the little French grandmother"?
Thanks,
Maureen