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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: wotty on Wednesday 02 February 05 19:31 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know anything about Winterton House in Sedgefield?
I have a death certificate of a (possible) relative who died there in 1928. I am assuming it was some kind of hospital or workhouse but I am puzzled as to why my relative would be there when he had a wife and 5 sons living in Darlington.
Any ideas appreciated.
Wotty.
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Winterton was the largest Mental Hospital in Northern England until it closed a few years ago.
They had their own mortuary and cemetery.
I think Winterton House was the main office building.
I also believe that the records are available, either at Durham County Record Office or online (but no idea of any link etc.)
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Thank you.
I have really struggled to find out anything about this particular relative. The fact that he was in a mental hospital probably explains why the entire family seem to have memory loss where he is concerned.
I will see what the Durham records office can come up with.
Wotty.
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Wotty,
Try here
http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/register.nsf/0/4D6085C9415EE792802569050052C328?opendocument
and here
http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/the_north_east/history/echomemories/darlington/061004.html
I know folk who used to work there ( Iwas a pollis in Sedgefield), if you get stuck email me and I'll try to get some info. for you.
Regards,
Gerry
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Hi Wotty
Durham RO do have records for Winterton Hospital,
but you are not allowed to view them :-[ if you write to the archivist with details of who you are interested in, she will send the information, if you are lucky ( I was ) there may even be a photo of the person Regards
John
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My grandfathers uncle died there in 1927 but he was a Charge Nurse at the time, is it possible your rellie was a member of staff?
If so the records are open, patients records are shut but staff records are open.
George
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Thanks George
No my Grandmother was an inpatient.
I am pleased that the records are open and you have found what you needed, pity the patients are still unavailable.
Regards
John
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Hi Wotty
I worked at Winterton in the late 1970's, just as the Care in the Community policy was starting to be formulated, and the transfer of patients was beginning.
The site is now a business park and executive housing, but I believe the main clocktower building is still there.
The hospital would certainly have taken patients from Darlington at that time (ie 1920's).
Definitely worth contacting Durham Records Office I would think.
Do you know how old they were? At that time, it was not unknown to spend many years in the asylum, so depending on their age they may well have been there in 1901, and be shown on the census.
cheers
Paul
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Thanks for your input. I am certainly going to contact the records office and have some research done.
The person was my great-grandfather and he was at home with his family in 1901. No-one in my family ever spoke of him, which is what makes me think that he was a patient there - he was a builder by occupation.
Thanks again
Wotty
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I have a list of patients who are buried at the hospital cemetery...if you let me know the surname i can tell you if they are there.
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Hi
The person I am looking for is Margaret Emmerson sometime after 1930 ?
Stories say she died at Winterton, other than that I have little info on her.
Do you have any burial for her, she was born 1908
Thanks
John
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Hi
Sorry i havent got her mentioned in the list of burials i have.
Debbie
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Hi Debbie
Thank you anyway
Rgards
John
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Hi
Sorry i havent got her mentioned in the list of burials i have.
Debbie
Hi Debbie,
I'm new to Rootsweb though not to family history (Been doin' it a while now!) I just wondered if on your list of burials for Winterton House you had the name Mary Alice Rose or Mary Alice Storey I think it would be the 1940's. I would be very grateful for your help.
Many thanks,
Wendy
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I have my Grandfathers Death Certificate. It does say, under the heading Signature, description and residence of informant ... Causing the body to be buried. It also says that Winterton House was the place of his death. Does anyone have any ideas how I can find out where he was interred.
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To: debbyftm
I have a list of patients who are buried at the hospital cemetery...if you let me know the surname i can tell you if they are there.
My Grandfathers surname was Robinson and he died in February 1966 and Winterton House is listed as the place of his death. Could you please let me know, from your list, if he was interred at the hospital cemetery?
Thank you
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winterton house was a lunatic asylum but was also used as a convelescence home for sufferers of tuberculosis i had a distant relative die there in the 1940s from t.b
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sorry about the delay My relative was returned to the parish where he lived so is recorded in the district of his death Others were buried within the grounds of winterton some unnamed \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\durham record office is your best bet write to the archivist giving the details of your relative you might be lucky
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sounds as though he was buried within grounds of winterton
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Hi Androlina,
I would very much doubt that your Granddad was buried at Winterton. The responsibility of the funeral arrangements would fall to his next of kin, and so he is likely to be buried/cremated in a cemetery near to where he normally lived, or where his next of kin lived.
His death registration would still have to be recorded in the Sedgefield sub-district of the Stockton district.
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Androlina and Colin Cruddace
I can confirm that the next of kin burial arrangements etc usually at where they lived as I had a relative that was there and I asked the archivist to see if buried there but she was not buried there. I found her in her home parish. The records office at Durham are very good. Being from Ferryhill and living elsewhere in the country I have travelled a lot and most record offices are good, but I really like this one!
Cheers
John Rowley
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Thanks John,
I think by 1966 there would be very few Churches offering burials, except perhaps for ones with a family plot. Durham GRO have very few Municipal Cemetery records, but I agree their services and staff are exceptional.
I believe that where a death was for a patient in a hospital unit attached to a Workhouse or Asylum (Mental Hospital), then the certificate would have usual place of residence noted if the patient was not an inmate, and it would have a similar noting in the burial/cremation record.
Regards,
Colin
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I would be grateful for any information anyone might have on my great grandmother - AGNES GOWLING who died whilst an inmate at Winterton. Thanks. Jane
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records are held at Durham County Record Office
County Hall
Durham
DH1 5UL
Tel: 0191 383 3253
Fax: 0191 383 4500
Email: record.office@durham.gov.uk
http://www.countyasylums.com/mentalasylums/winterton01.htm
hth :)
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I also can confirm that records are held in Durham. I located my x2 grandfathers medical records there. He too died in Winterton.
Extra info.... whilst looking for his grave in Holy Trinity Church in Cornforth I noticed a lady who appeared to be logging all the gravestones. I spoke to her and had a very informative conversation. She was member of the Cleveland Family History Society. She advised me that a relation of hers had died in Winterton and she had managed to view his records.
In order to do so she had to prove lineage by submitting a family tree and all relevant certificates. These were accepted and she got to view all his records. She said that they were hard to understand in some places but the information she got from them was fantastic.
Hope this is of help
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to Debbtftm. In a previous message you said you had a list of inmates who were buried at sedgefield. Do you still have access to this information
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Hi yes i do still have the list
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I would be grateful for any information anyone might have on my great grandmother - AGNES GOWLING who died whilst an inmate at Winterton. Thanks. Jane
she isnt on the burial list i have sorry
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To: debbyftmI have a list of patients who are buried at the hospital cemetery...if you let me know the surname i can tell you if they are there.
My Grandfathers surname was Robinson and he died in February 1966 and Winterton House is listed as the place of his death. Could you please let me know, from your list, if he was interred at the hospital cemetery?
Thank you
sorry also not on the list :-\
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Hiya debbyftm, its badfeeet returning your message. The name i am looking for is John Gee i think he died about 1884/1885.
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Hi..sorry John Gee is not on the list either :-\
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Hi,
Would you possibly look for Frances Jobson who died on 24th January 1924 in the asylum
Many thanks
Janet
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Hi Janet
Sorry there is no one of that name in the list.
Have you tried Durham County Hall burial records.
I do know there is a part of Sedgefield Village Cemetery where patients from Winterton were also buried..if you click on link and scroll down to the part called short history!
http://www.sedgefield.net/cemetery.html
and there is also some brief history here
http://durhamrecordsonline.com/updates/2010/03/12/sedgefield-burials-1855-1926/
sorry i couldnt help more.
Good luck
Deb
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Many thanks for your help. I suspect she returned to South Moor to be buried which was where her family lived. I emailed Durham County Records Office on Saturday and had reply this morning (what service!). I can request to view her case notes from the NHS Trust archivist apparently which I have just done and hope to get more information from there.
Many thanks again for your prompt reply
Janet
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Hi Debby
Do you have a Elizabeth Jenkins on your list please
Regards
John
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I have a list of patients who are buried at the hospital cemetery...if you let me know the surname i can tell you if they are there.
my cousin died 1932 adn was an inmate at winterton. His name was
James Lister TYSON I presume he wa s buried there. I trust you can help. Joan Ranger nee Tyson
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Hello,i wandered if you had a mary monaghan listed as being an inmate at winterton,i would be very grateful for this information,thanking you,kind regards jane.
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The surname of my cousin who died 1932 is TYSON, thank you.
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Hi,
My great uncle, John Gibson Alexander, died at Winterton in 1917.
I would be grateful for any information you have.
Thanks.
Marian
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Hi,
my great great granddad; Nicholas Sanderson died there in 1908. Would he be on your list?
Thanks,
Carly
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Many thanks for your help. I suspect she returned to South Moor to be buried which was where her family lived. I emailed Durham County Records Office on Saturday and had reply this morning (what service!). I can request to view her case notes from the NHS Trust archivist apparently which I have just done and hope to get more information from there.
Many thanks again for your prompt reply
Janet
Did you have any luck with this? I am trying to find out about my great uncle who died in 1917, and I have been told that the records have a 100 year block on them!
Hope you can help.
Marian
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I see debbyftm has a list of patient names from the Winterton hospital.I havn't been able to make contact. Has anyone else got the patient list? My gx3 grandfather was buried there in the 1860's I think.
cheers
936trt
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Hi
Debbyftm has not been on rootschat since January 2012 I'm afraid according to her profile.
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Hi,
Thanks for that.
Just got the in formation regarding my great uncle a couple of weeks ago, and would really like to find out more about him.
Wonder if anyone else has any infromation regarding burials at Winterton, or how I can access his records from there.
Marian
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Thanks to candleflame for the info about debbyftm.
I have failed so far with the links provided by wotty,but hope to progress with finding burial records at Winterton for the 1860's.
trt
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Sedgefield hospital records are at Durham, as reguards to buriakls there is a small burial grounds over the road from where it was, but with only a few headstones.
But also remember some people were not buried in Sedgefield but were returned to family members and were buried in they home villages or parishes.
JR
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Thanks Jolly Roger, I had tried Escomb/Witton Park where he lived without success and thought he might be at Winterton.
cheers
trt
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I contacted the Records Office at Durham and got this reply. I was impressed by the speed of the reply, within a couple of hours, and the amount of help. I am hoping that I will be able to find out more from them.
We hold case papers for Winterton Hospital (Sedgefield Lunatic Asylum) up to 1945. After that date we retain only a 2% sample of Winterton Hospital patient files (case notes).
The way that case notes for Winterton Hospital are recorded is complex and, although some are indexed, it can prove time consuming to locate relevant notes. To ascertain whether or not any notes survive for the person you are looking for, you will need to use our Research Service (information and application form attached). In most cases we can locate the notes within one hour (at a fee of £31), but it may take longer (if you wish us to continue the search please send an additional cheque for £15.50 or £31 as appropriate).
As part of this search, we will supply you with copies of any notes we locate in the time available that are over 100 years old.
Winterton Hospital patient records are subject to a closure period of one hundred years under Data Protection legislation. If you think your request will fall into this category, you will need to send us proof (birth/marriage/death certificates) either that:
you are the patient
or that the patient is deceased and you are a direct descendant
If we locate notes that are less than 100 years old, we will provide you with contact details of the appropriate NHS Trust, so that you can seek permission to have them released to you.
You may be interested in the following publication which includes a history of the hospital with statistics, plans and photographs:
BEHIND THE WALL The Life and Times of Winterton Hospital by Adam Lamb and Jack Turton
It can be purchased from this Office at the cost of £5 (includes postage and packaging).
Please make your remittance payable to Durham County Council.
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Don't give up!
I managed to retrieve records for my grandfather from c1934.
As long as you are a direct line descendant and the 'guest' has deceased they will probably release the records to you.
They did it for me and no charge but it took me a few months to convince them and I think it helped that there were no first generation children survivng.
Actually it was pretty revealing as he apparently escaped from there and was never re-admitted! Escaped is a pretty strong word as he was actually let out for a month to see how he coped....he never returned! Good old Grandad!
Unfortunately he took his own life in 1936 so I never actually knew him but I am clinging to the fact that he medically discharged from the army in 1916 after a spell 'on the front' that is mental state was probably PTSD. Thats my story anyway :)
Kevin
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Thanks for that, Kevin.
Not giving up yet!
May take a while to get the paperwork together, but I really want to see if I can find out more. Seems so sad that my great uncle was in a reserved occupation, a miner, during WW1 and ended up dying in a lunatic asylum. There is some family story that he was involved in a mining accident, so perhaps this could have contributed to the 'exhaustion following acute mania' that was the cause of death' Seems so sad.
Marian
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Hi
sorry i havent been on for a long long time.. ;D
ive tried to reply to private messages as quick as i could.
Anyway this is the list...
Camsby, William, d. 2 Jan 1895, age: 63yr old, h/of Elizabeth
Croft, Herbert George, (date obscured by overgrown holly tree)
Dodds, John George, d. 20 Oct 1940, age: 31yr old
Dodds, John, d. 30 Apr 1898, age: 68yr old
Gallagher, William Buchannan, d. 19 Nov 1918, age: 40yr old
Gray, William, d. 6 Nov 1912, age: 36yr old
Johnson, Margaret Rutter, d. 8 May 1901, age: 43yr old, mother of Walter
Lawson, Sarah Jane, b. 25 Apr 1845, d. 6 Jun 1893, w/of William
Leaos, Ada Josephine, d. 29 Sep 1925, age: 50yr old, d/of Marion
Leaos, Marion, d. 22 Apr 1895
Mavin, Martha Annie, d. Mar 1918, age: 37yr old, w/of Walter M
Moore, Henry, d. 6 Aug 1909, age: 55yr old
Nichol, John, d. 3 Nov 1909
Nincks, Amelia, d. 5 Nov 1897, age: 33yr old
Pickering, Mary Ann, d. 15 Mar 1894, Sedgefield, age: 72yr old
Rackham, Margaret, d. 12 Mar 1963, age: 65yr old
Skeen, William St John M.B.C.M., d. 3 Nov 1912, age: 45yr old
Steele, Bessy, b. 15 Aug 1872, d. 4 Mar 1916
Sunley, Harry, d. 3 Nov 1927, age: 51yr old
Thompson, John, d. 21 Apr 1901, age: 22yr old
Tyler, Nurse, no dates
Wemm, Robert, d. 9 Sep 1963, age: 76yr old
..here is link to Winterton burial records
http://www.interment.net/data/eng/durham/asylum/index.htm
there is also a bit here http://www.sedgefield.net/cemetery.html about winterton burials in a communal grave, you may have to contact Parish council?
Winterton Cemetery isnt very big and there are not many buried there , its kept tidy by the council, there are a few headstones. I have never been in, i go passed it most days
good luck
Deb :)
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Welcome back Deb - you were clearly missed :)
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:D
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Hi Debbie,
Thanks for that , a visit is called for to have a look at the memorial at least.
Many thanks
trt
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All of the information on this thread has been so helpful.
My Great Grandmother had been told that she was an orphan growing up and always knew that her parents weren't her own. She was never legally adopted as it wasn't required at that time. Thankfully, on the 1911 census her birth surname was on it so I was able to get her birth certificate. I found her real mum and a whole new family, she was no orphan at all. I have managed to even connect with another family member although cousins removed to myself via my research who told me that my "orphaned" Great Grandmother was never known about and that her mum was a spinster, not talked about and said to have been put in a mental asylum.
I purchased the death certificate of my great great grandmother and she did indeed die at Winterton House in 1957, 20yrs after her daughter had died in childbirth. So sad. I have hope of getting the notes on her from here and my Granddad, bless him wants to help. He is completely shocked at this turn of events in family history and even more so at finding he has a baby sister that was put up for adoption at 2 months old that he had never known about as he had only been young when his mum had died in 1937. We are both hoping to find this sister or at least a living relative or partner hopefully so fingers crossed.
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I have a list of patients who are buried at the hospital cemetery...if you let me know the surname i can tell you if they are there.
Hi could you see if there is a 'Mary Alice Rose' or Mary Alice Storey' for me please.
Much appreciated
Wendy
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Hi
I have recently found out my great grandad was in Durham lunacy asylum, which I understand from this forum was Winterton hospital. He was admitted on May 18th 1904 and he dies on April 16th 1906
Does anyone have any information on him please? Why was he there etc
Regards
Keely
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hi, am trying to find information on a Joseph cross who died in Winterton hospital in 1928, thank you
Hi
I have recently found out my great grandad was in Durham lunacy asylum, which I understand from this forum was Winterton hospital. He was admitted on May 18th 1904 and he dies on April 16th 1906
Does anyone have any information on him please? Why was he there etc
Regards
Keely
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Hi folks ;) one of my relatives died at Winterton and was buried i believe in thier cemetery,
this was 1919, would any record have been made as to where in the cemetery he was laid to rest,
its possible this man was buried as a pauper :'(
All the best.
Derek ;)