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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Cheshire => England => Cheshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Lynnn on Tuesday 28 October 08 15:29 GMT (UK)
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My Mum (89) has suddenly become interested in researching her family tree. Can you help me make a start please? We're looking for her father,Frank Slater, born around 1896 in either Prestbury or Macclesfield. He married Florence Hough who died in 1930 after giving birth to her fourth daughter. Is that enough info to make a start? She would be grateful for anything. Thanks
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Hello Lyn :)
Frank Slater married Florence Hough Q4. 1918 Macclesfield Vol. 8a. Pg. 244
That marriage certificate will give you both fathers' names and occupations, making it easier to find the families on the 1901 census and before ;)
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www.cheshirebmd.org.uk shows that the marriage took place at Prestbury St Peter just in case that helps.
Jean
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Thank you both for this information. It is very much appreciated.
Lynn
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Unless your mother has any firm memories of or information on her grandparents I don't think it will be possible to proceed without that marriage certificate :-\
There are 4 possible Frank Slaters on the 1901 census, and 3 possible Florence Houghs. Dangerous to make any assumptions :D
Florence Slater died Q4. 1930 Macclesfield Vol. 8a. Pg. 164 aged 33.
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I've just spoken to Mum and she remembers that Frank's father was called Fred and her grandfather Hough was called Ned. Will that help us? Apparently, according to Mum Ned had 3 wives and many children as there was no television in those days!! My Mum is quite a character.
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You could do with the marriage cert to be certain, but this could be him
1901 census ref RG13, peice 3304, folio 121, page 12
The Common, Over Alderley, ecclesiastical district Prestbury St Peter
Fred Slater 27, garden labourer, b Shropshire
Ann 31
Henry 6
Frank 4
Fred W 2
Margaret A 9mths
all born Over Alderley
Birth reference
June 1897 district Macclesfield vol 8a page 159
Frank Slater
Macclesfield reg district covers Over Alderley
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For Florence a possible
1901 RG13/3304/87/13 - address 4 Pearl ST, Butley, ecc parish Prestbury St Peter
A E Hough 33 garden labourer b Siddington
Sarah A 30 b Birtles
Arthur H 8 b Siddington
Florence 4 b Prestbury
Edith A 2 b Prestbury (all Cheshire)
Possible marriage - June 1892 Macclesfield vol 8a page 229
Albert Edward Hough to Sarah Ann Mason
(Edward = Ned? )
Next door to them is a Mason family poss brother to Sarah ??
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Lyn - as silvery suggests, this is a possible ???
Can you try your Mum on uncles and aunt's names ?
Uncle Henry / Harry ? Uncle Fred ? Aunty Margaret ?
Ned is often Edward, and there is a Florence b. 1897 with father A. E - which might be Edward. Try Uncle Arthur and Aunty Edith ;D
I still think you really need that marriage ceritifcate to be sure we don't build on the wrong base :D
Silvery - just saw yours - ;D
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Thanks both for your trouble. Mum is so excited, but naturally at her age finding it difficult to assimilate the information. However, she remembers an Uncle Harry (Henry) and an Aunty Margaret (apparently she drank). She also keeps referring to the fact that they lived in Pearl Street (must be remembering the Houghs) so it looks as though we are definitely onto the right track. Lynn
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Im sorry if I'm being repetitive - expecially since these do look promising - but please dont go too far and get all excitied without proof - you do really need that certificate ::)
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Thanks Mum44 - I take your point. From the info we have though I agree with you that they look very promising - especially the Houghs. When I showed her the last message she remembered Arthur and Edith and has always maintained they lived on Pearl Street (I remembered her telling me that years ago). Lynn
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Hi Mum44 and Silvery
I sent off for the marriage certificate last week. Will you be able to help me further or point me in the right direction once we have that certificate?
Thanks Lynn
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Hopefully yes ;D I'm away on holiday for 2 weeks from tomorrow - for sure loads of others will be able to help ;D
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They're pretty quick at the GRO these days, so you should get it in the next day or so. Look forward to seeing what's on it.
The families posted look very promising, and I think they will be the ones, but it's always best to be certain and get some documentation. There's no point tracing the wrong family. I totally agree with mum. :)
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Hi Mum44 and Silvery
Hope you have a great holiday Mum and Silvery will let you have the details as soon as I have them. Isn't it strange but since I have started this search for my Mum she has remembered all sorts of interesting info about the Houghs and Slaters. She has never spoken about her grandparents or aunts and uncles before, but I suppose times were very different then. I suppose it's also true that I never asked!!
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Hi
I've received the marriage certificate. Florence Hough and Frank Slater (a blacksmith) both aged 21 married November 2nd 1918. Both were residents of Butley at the time of marriage. Frank's father was Fred Slater, a Gardener and Florence's father was indeed Albert Edward Hough also a Gardener. Another piece of info that Mum remembered was that Florence had a sister called Annie and she is one of the witnesses to the marriage. It looks as though we were definitely onto the right track. Is it possible now to help me trace them back? Your help would be very much appreciated by both Mum and myself. Lynn
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Oh goody, I thought they might be the right ones! so I had a look already. Think Fred is a little harder to find than Ann.
I think you're going to need another marriage cert ;D
Marriage
Jun 1894 Macclesfield 8a/164
Fred Slater (b 1873) to Ann Slater (b 1869)
Ann Slater 1871 RG10/3679/17/1
address - Adders Moss, Over Alderley
William Slater 50, ag lab b Capesthorn
Margaret 39 b Chorley
Charles 11
Peter 9
James 6
William 4
Ann 3
Caroline 1
all born Alderley
Marriage
June 1838 1858 Macclesfield 8a/123 (sorry about that)
William Slater to Margaret Hatton
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1871 RG10/3678/92/5 address Knutsford Lane
Isaac Hough 37 gen lab b Siddington
Martha 33 b Henbury
Arthur 9 b Broken Cross
Phoebe J 5 b Siddington
Albert Edward 3 b Siddington
possible marriage
Dec 1858 Macclesfield 8a/212
Isaac Hough to Martha Barber
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I think you're going to need the Fred Slater marriage cert to get his father (if there is one). I can't see one born in Shropshire, nearest is Staffordshire, or Warwickshire.
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1851 HO107/piece 2161/folio 412/page 4
Isaac Hough 56, journeyman bricklayer b Frodsham cheshire
Phoebe 55 b Siddington
Isaac 17 manager small farm b Siddington
Martha 4 g'dau b Siddinton
also Thomas Warburton 43 visitor
There are a few Martha to choose from, may need the marr cert.
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If you haven't got any family history software there is a free PAF one to download at the LDS family search site http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
which you can use to start filling in the names and relationships. All can then be exported (as a copy) to any other programme you like. Always keep a backup somewhere, for eg on a memory stick.
The 'Companion' prints out 3 generation charts but for about £3 you can upgrade to the full one, it's very good. there are plenty of other free downloads to try as well , until you find one you like, like legacy, family historian, etc etc
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Silvery thanks so much for your help thus far. It's taking me a while to assimilate all the info given. Unless I have misunderstood, what is puzzling me - unless it is just a coincidence - is that Fred Slater married an Ann Slater?
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Sarah Ann Mason
1881 RG11/3498/99/8
Thomas Mason 33 gamekeeper b Prestbury
Eliza 36 b Broxton
Sarah A 10 b Birtles
Mary J 7 b Henbury
John T 6 b Henbuyr
Lucy 4 b Henbury
Possible marriage (as Broxton is near to Whitchurch) but can't be certain
June 1868 Whitchurch S 6a/1319
Thomas Mason to Eliza Sivill
Will have a look for Eliza Sivill b Broxton on an earlier census.
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Yes , marriage of a Slater to a Slater. Wondering about that.
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Re Thomas Mason to Eliza Sivill marriage, you could check the birth of one of the children for mother's maiden name. Strangely enough the only clear one is Mary Jane Mason - June 1873, Macclesfield 8a/155.
There is an Eliza Sivill b Broxton way
1851 HO107/2171/12/17
George Sivill 38 ag lab b Bickerton
Sarah 28 b Bickerton
Eliza 6 b Bickerton
Charles 4 b Broxton
Hilary 3 b Broxton
John 7 mths b Broxton
I'm going to leave it there for now, let you catch up and fill in a family tree.
If you need any more get back to us, and I'm sure anyone will be pleased to help. Happy sleuthing!!
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Just as a ps - if you go to 'home' on this site, there should be an ad for ancestry free for two weeks - you have to give them your credit card number, but cancel before the two weeks if you don't want to keep it up.
also there is this site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl.
only goes up to about 1930 as yet. Most marriages (if they got married) and deaths are in it. Births only attracted a fine for non registration in 1875 and before that lots of people didn't bother so they can be patchy.
Some sites have their own BMDs for eg Cheshire http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cheshirebmd/index.html
and you can check them out here
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/index.php?form_action=national
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Silvery
Thanks so much for all your help - it is very much appreciated. It will be great to pass on this info to my Mum. I'm naturally now intrigued about Fred Slater. I suppose the only way I can find out more is through a marriage certificate and if the father isn't there I'm out of luck?
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Well yes, but you never know. I'll be interested to know about him though.
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Hi
Do you think it would be worth going onto another part of Rootschat to see if we could find out more about Fred Slater? As a newcomer I don't know the etiquette or if that would be a waste of time.
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Yes of course, someone else may find something, certainly.
If you could post the link to here so that they see what's been found already, that would help.
[Go to the address where it starts http://www etc etc and right click it and copy. Then paste it in your next query. Just explaining (or trying to) in case you don't know, sorry if you're ok with it.]
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Hi Silvery
Sorry to trouble you again but would you suggest Shropshire? In terms of how to link the subjects I'm afraid I have no idea. You say go the address where it starts???
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I don't know which browser you are using. If you go to the top of the page wherever, you should see and an address beginning 'http//www.rootschat.com..... ........' and so on.
Right click on it, the then 'copy'. then when you are posting your new query right click and 'paste'. It is very easy. (when you know how I suppose)
Do you want to post your query on the 'beginners' board? It would attract some attention, and the mods will move it to where it should go.
I'll keep a look out, and you just post, and I'll do the link. But try and have a go at the link. You have nothing to lose :D
You could do with his father's name from the marriage cert. It's not a cheap interest - family history ;)