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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: SeeBee on Saturday 25 October 08 15:37 BST (UK)
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I am looking for any information about the Cooper family in Harleston.
In the 1871 census My GGGrandmother Elizabeth Smith nee Cooper gave her birth place as Harleston, she was born about 1800, and I have recently found a marriage announcement for her marriage to my GGGrandfather John Smith in the Ipswich Chronicle and she is described as Miss Cooper of Harleston Hall.
Was Harleston Hall a farm?
Any info would be gratefully received,
Thanks.
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Do you have the marriage and if so what year?
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Not really just what it said in the Chronicle on Saturday November 24th 1821
"Marriage- Lately at Islington, Middlesex. Mr John Smith of Hawstead to Miss Cooper Harleston Hall Norfolk"
Although she has her birth place on the census as Harleston Suffolk.
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Ah, not the one then.
It was just I found a marriage on the Suffolk marriage index, between a John Smith and Elizabeth Cooper in 1833 in Letheringham.
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Oh,
Thank you anyway.
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This is interesting, from Ipswich Journal = 9th January, 1841
4th inst, much regretted by her family and friends,Hannah, wife of Mr. J. B. Cooper, of Harleston Hall, in this county, in her 43rd year.
Marriage
Jacob Bradley Cooper
Hannah Seargeant
12th November, 1818 = Cockfield.
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Yes very interesting, I wonder whether he could possibly be a brother or a cousin to Elizabeth.
I wonder What was/is Harleston Hall?
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If you search Google,particularly Google books, there comes up some interesting bits of info.
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Thanks I will have a look now.
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Farmer to bankrupt coal merchant in four years not bad.
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Its surprising what info you can find in Google books. ;D
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I think this refers to Harleston Hall in Harleston a tiny village just three miles from Stowmarket not to be confused with the larger Harleston, a market town + railways connections which is just to the north of Suffolk in 'that other place' ;D
White's of 1844 refers to Jacob Bradley Cooper being a farmer at the Hall, and there is mention that most of the land in Harleston and Dagworth is in the manor of Harleston Hall.
In 1844 (presumably using figures from the 1841 census) the population of Harleston was 90.
If Jacob was married at Cockfield, possibly this was his wife's parish?
Pat ...
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Have checked www.old-maps.co.uk and putting in Harleston Suffolk shows the Hall very clearly on the map for 1889.
Checked my Ordnance Survey map for Stowmaket area and Harleston clearly marked, together with Harleston Hall.
The 'A Church Near You' website shows the church today and states that it is next to The Hall.
http://www.achurchnearyou.com/harleston-st-augustine/
Some lovely photographs of the church as always at http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/harleston.html
Simon may have added a couple of them this year as he has re-visited the church since his initial entry ten years ago.
Have checked through 'Suffolk Houses, a study of domestic architecture' and there is no mention of the Hall under large houses, moated houses, so I think it probably is a farmhouse.
There is a Local History Recorder at Harleston, but snail mail only.
Pat ...
Local History Recorders' Secretary at Suffolk Local History Council
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Burial:
Hannah Cooper (age 42, abode Harleston)
on 12 Jan 1841 in Harleston
Jacob remarried...
1851 Census of Harleston, Suffolk
HO 107/1794 folio 706 page 14
Address: Harleston Hall
Jacob Bradley Cooper, head, 60, farmer of 300 A employ 12 labourers, Harleston Suffolk
Eliza, wife, 34, Cockfield Suffolk
James, son, 7, Harleston Suffolk
Thomas, son, 5, Harleston Suffolk
Albert, son, 3, Harleston Suffolk
Sarah, daur, 1, Harleston Suffolk
plus three servants
Burial:
Jacob Bradley Cooper (age 73, abode Haughley)
on 11 Jan 1860 in Harleston
Other Cooper burials in Harleston:
John (age 67) on 19 Feb 1819
Dinah (age 79) on 26 Apr 1828
Joanna Ennew (age 20) on 25 July 1829
Louisa (age 17) on 11 May 1837
James (age 18) on 3 May 1862
[Suffolk Burials Index]
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Thank you very much.
Elizabeth's Husband John Smith was a farmer born in Hawstead and farmed Braggons Farm at Boxted so the fact that she came from a farmimg family and not from a grand Hall would fit and although in the Ipswich Chronicle it say Harleston Hall Norwich she was very consistent in putting Suffolk for her birth place in all the census so it looks like that is the place.
All those other Coopers buried in Harleston, now I just need to find a connection to my Elizabeth.
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Another snippet from White's
There are 620 acres in the parish partly copyhold and partly in the manors of Haughley and Dagworth but mostly in the manor of Harleston Hall - which belongs to Lady Hotham who rebuilt the Hall in the Elizabethan style some years ago. It is occupied by a farmer (so Jacob was a tenant).
Pat ...
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Thank you for the extra info.
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I have just found from my parish lookup request that an Elizabeth Cooper was baptised at around the right time for my Elizabeth and her mothers name was Bradley so looks like Jacob could well have been her brother.
Thanks again