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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: griffithsjenkins12 on Thursday 23 October 08 12:34 BST (UK)
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Please can anyone help!
I am trying to trace any record for my great grandfather David Henry Griffiths. I am not 100% sure where he was born (Barry?) but I do know he married Minnie Cubbon in 1911 in Birmingham and his address at that point was 20 Thomas street Tonypandy. They returned to Tonypandy after the wedding and brought up their children there He had a brother Morgan and I am told that they were orphaned and adopted maybe within the family but not sure. I have been unable to trace his WW1 service records but know he was pensioned from army (Black Watch).
Any help would be greatfully received.
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Do ou have his marriage cert
That should give father's name and occupation???
Also witnesses may be family members
there is a family in 1891 in Dowlais Glam - but parents William /Elizabeth -but there are 6 children - there is Morgan age 10 -but David henry s only 2
RG12 438 65 9
as you may be aware Griffiths not an unusual name in Wales -and there are several David henry griffiths reg n 1885
Suz
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Thanks for the reply.
I do have the marriage certificate and gives father as John Griffiths (deceased) publican. witnesses are James Vaughan and Minnie Watkins.
Does this help further?
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How old did he say he was at the time of his marriage?
Can't see a David with father John in 1891 or 1901, but age would help cut down the number of pages to look through.
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Ignore above, just realised his year of birth is in the title....
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Another bit of info/ ammendment to year of birth!....
marriage was on 26th Decenber 1911 (age 23)
Birth also 26th December (info from just found family papers) so year of birth must be 1888
hope this helps
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still can't spot him on the census, it may be a question of waiting for the 1911 to be available.
The only birth reg to fit that birthdate for a David Henry in Glam is
David Henry Griffiths march qtr 1889 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 542
Born Barry, he would have been registered Cardiff, and Tonypandy would be Pontypridd. Might be worth a shot if no-one else can find him on the census.
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I actually know a lady who was born in 1917 (she's now 91) and was brought up in 15 Thomas Street Tonypandy, my family (grandfather and siblings) lived in 16 but are now all deceased. I will email her daughter for you and ask if her mother remembers your ancestors in number 20.
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By the way, my parents still live in the next street up so if you would like me to take a photograph of 20 Thomas Street as it looks to day let me know.
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That would be great thanks!
I know that my grandfather (D H Griffiths son) was born in 1919 and his family were brought up in Cambrian Terrace , he also worked down the mine there (Cambrian? The family moved to Coventry around 1940's I think.
So far have been unable to trace anyone from that side of the family any help would be very greatly received.
I am thinking of visiting Tonypandy/Penygraig in the next couple of weeks to try and explore further.
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Also could you give me the details for Thomas street on the 1901 census?
ie Rg13 ?
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Also could you give me the details for Thomas street on the 1901 census?
ie Rg13 ?
20 Thomas Street is at RG13/5016 folio 136, page 10, schedules 60 & 61
Schedule 60
Evan H Griffiths, Head, m, 25, Bricklayer's Labourer, Card. Llandysiliogogo
Catherine Griffiths, Wife, m, 22, -, Glam. Pentyrch
Jenkin Lewis, f-in-law, widr, 56, Colliery Labourer (ab. Grd), Glam. Coychurch
Evan Lewis, b-in-law, s, 26, Coal Hewer, Glam. Pentyrch
Mary J Lewis, sis-in-law, s, 20, -, Glam. Pentyrch
John Griffiths, Boarder, s, 33, Coal Hewer, Pemb. Haverfordwest
Schedule 61
Thomas Rees, Head, m, 25, Coal Hewer, Cardigan New Quay
Mary C Rees, wife, m, 20, -, Carmar. Conwil
Evan Thos Rees, son, 1, -, Glam. Rhondda
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I've emailed the lady's daughter and she will definitely ask her mother about your ancestors next time she speaks to her.
If you need any advice when visiting Tonypandy/Penygraig let me know. I was brought up in Tonypandy and my parents and mother's family are all still living there. I'll take a photograph of number 20 and some general ones of the street when I'm up there next.
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I also have this photograph you may like to see. It says "Thomas Street sports on the Coronation" - now I'm presuming that this was George V and taken in 1911. My great grandmother who lived in number 16 is in the photograph.
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Thanks for all the help.
I have obtained the Birth certificate as suggested (Dowlais born) however I am more confused!
any ideas why the birth certificate (right DOB, 26/12/1888) and job (publican) would say William as father but marriage certificate says john?
I know David Henry Griffiths was orphaned at an early age.
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If his father died when he was very young, he might not have remembered his father's first name.
What was his mother's first name and her maiden surname?
Does this family match for address?
1891 261 High St, Dowlais RG12/4438 folio 65 pg 9
William Griffiths head mar 32 haulier board health(?) b. Monmouthshire, Newport
Elizabeth wife 31 b. Cardiganshire, Aberystwyth
Morgan son 10
William John son 7
Mary Jane dau 6
Jenkin Thomas son 4
David Henry son 2
Fanny Elizabeth dau 1
all children born Dowlais
1901 12 Bryn Mynach Llwynypia RG13/5016 folio 145 pg 29
Morgan Griffiths boarder 21 driver (Below Ground) b. Dowlais
David Henry Griffiths 12 b. Dowlais
I've had a look for the siblings without success apart from this possible for Mary Jane
I wonder if this could be his mother remarried?
1901 30 High St, Ynysybwl, Mountain Ash RG13/5003 folio 106 pg 10
John Jones head mar 39 carpenter b. Cards, Llangwyrfon
Elizabeth wife 41 b. Aberystwyth
Mary Jane dau 15 b. Merthyr
Evan W S son 11 months b. Ynysybwl
William brother 37 lab coal mine below ground b. Llangwyrfon
possible marriage dec qtr 1895 Pontypridd vol 11a pg 674 Elizabeth Griffiths and John Jones on the same page. But then again, you can nearly always find people with some of the common Welsh surnames that seem to 'fit'.
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That does seem to fit but as you say very easy to make wrong connections with common surnames.
marriage cert. gives mother as Eliza Griffiths formerly Lewis.
I also know that David Henry Griffiths had an older brother Morgan which also fits. There were also 2 sisters but not sure of names "ginny" has been mentioned. "janey" maybe from mary jane?
I really wish I started on this while family members were still alive to ask!
thanks again for the help
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this could be the same couple in 1881
12 Back of Bear, Heolwermod, Penydarren RG11/5314 folio 75 pg 4
William Griffiths head mar 24 baller b. Newport, Mon
Elizabeth wife 21 b. Cardigan
possible marriage?
Eliza Lewis sept qtr 1880 Merthyr Tydfil vol 11a pg 607 on the same page as William Griffiths
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Many thanks for the replies. I have now sent for suggested marriage certificates and wil let you know of outcome!
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That would be great thanks!
I know that my grandfather (D H Griffiths son) was born in 1919 and his family were brought up in Cambrian Terrace , he also worked down the mine there (Cambrian? The family moved to Coventry around 1940's I think.
So far have been unable to trace anyone from that side of the family any help would be very greatly received.
I am thinking of visiting Tonypandy/Penygraig in the next couple of weeks to try and explore further.
Hi hope you're still around here. I think I'm part of your family from Tonypandy that moved to coventry my grandfather was william lewis he had a sister...I know her as aunty blod...I'll have to check her real name. Email me deborah s cardwell @ google mail . Com (miss out the spaces ) hope you get back to me.
Kind regards
Deborah
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Welcome to Rootschat!
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The original poster hasn't been online here since 2009, but once you have another couple of posts you can send a personal message (pm) which will generate an email to the address registered at the time which may not be the current one.
Just reply to this & when there is a message icon under the user's name, you'll be ready to go.
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Thanks for that most appreciated.
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Hello … my Grandfather was Frederick James Griffiths and he was the son of William and Elizabeth née Lewis. My great great grandparents were David Henry griffiths born 1888 Dowlai Wales and Minnie Cubbon
My grandfather moved to Coventry and after WW11 emigrated to Australia with his wife Isabella and my father Roy Frederick.
Hope this helps and love to hear any stories that you may have of my family in Wales.