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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Mean_genie on Monday 20 October 08 15:51 BST (UK)
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These have just been released today by Ancestry. You wouldn't know this from their own site, but you can get to it using a link on TNA's website
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/214.htm?homepage=news (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/214.htm?homepage=news)
It includes the Empire Windrush, lots of Hollywood stars arriving in Britain on the big cruise liners, Wallis Simpson coming to meet her Prince, the Kennedy family en route to the American Embassy in London in 1938 and my great-great-grandparents returning to Scotland after 13 years farming in Saskatchewan.
Mean_genie
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Thanks for that link.
I've been trying to get at that but A***try wouldn't let me :-\
Another brick in my wall kicked out ;D
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... and another way to get to it is through Ancestry's index of recent databases:
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/recent.aspx
It's wonderful! I've found lots of various family members, including my OH! :D
:)
Koromo
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Thanks for that, and to Genie for alerting me to this thread :)
I'll be able to find when granddad's cousins came back and Aunty Kate's return, etc. - hopefully smash another of those bricks :D
Gadget
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Thank you so much for that link. I have been trying to find when my uncle came back to England in the late 20's early 30's and it's there!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;
Cheers,
Abiam
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Hi folks
Anyone with a full membership on A*****y willing to do a lookup for me as my membership only covers UK records.
I had a quick look for William Marshall born Dover 1895. Sailed to Canada 1924 from Liverpool.
I'm trying to see if he came back. He had relations in Liverpool who he stayed with before he sailed. If any possible matches could you let me know. I've not found him in Canada yet (bit of a big country to search when you don't know where he settled).
I saw one or two possibilities but could not view any information that would help.
Many thanks in advance.
Regards panda
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Hi Panda
Two coming back 1936 and 1937 from Montreal to Glasgow. I'll PM you about them :)
Gadget
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i'm soooooo happy..have found relative i've been looking for at last, YIPPEE!!!!!!
lindy-lou :) :) :) :)
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Found out that my grandfather was a soldier in Egypt in 1930! :D :D :D
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Found they came back from New Guinea not Singapore. That's new :o
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Hi All
I've only got UK membership too :( sorry for being so cheeky :-[ but could anyone look up a Walter Morrlle for me?
Sarah :)
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PM me if he was born 1910, Sarah :)
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Does the database only include ships coming from outside Europe?
I'm looking for Hemine Schneider born Cologne 1898. She lived on Madeira before coming to England and getting married in Warwickshire in 1922.
Would there be any chance of anyone finding her passage on An***try?
Sharpie
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I've only got UK membership but have been able to access the records ;D :-\
Sorry Sharpie doesn't include Europe.
Susan
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I've only got UK membership but have been able to access the records ;D :-\
Same here :P
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Thanks Susan
The brickwall stays, strong as ever!
Sharpie
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Think this is the link for Uk membership
http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/recent.aspx
or even:
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1518&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
Gadget
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I'm able to access records with UK subscription as well
lindy-lou
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So am I.
I have found several names, but unfortunately when I try to look at the image it is too faint and unreadable. I have reported 2 of these.
I have had e-mails back, thanking me and saying that they will not be able to improve them until the next time they are doing their adjustments. Sorry scheduled updates!
Kooky
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Thank you so much for this link - am keeping my fingers crossed - this could be the break I've been waiting for!
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Sharpie
The database includes some people travelling from Europe - ie if the voyage began outside Europe but called it at European ports before docking in the UK, then the passenger lists will include the people who came on board at Gibraltar, Lisbon etc
For anyone who hasn't found the people they are looking for, the reason may be that their forenames are not written in full, but only appear as initials, or Mr, Mrs, infant etc. More worrying is the fact that quite a number of names do appear in full on the lists,and are clearly written, but the surnames are not included in the index. Hopefully this will get fixed eventually, but meantime it may be worth searching without a surname in case that brings up the results you want.
Happy hunting.
Mean_genie
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If anyone is looking for an Archie McBride born 1890.....he is indexed as Nickie ::)
mab
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I have found several names, but unfortunately when I try to look at the image it is too faint and unreadable. I have reported 2 of these.
I have had e-mails back, thanking me and saying that they will not be able to improve them until the next time they are doing their adjustments. Sorry scheduled updates!
Kooky
I thought so too but, at least on some images, the information is way over on the right side.
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The lists aren't complete. I found my mother arriving in 1949. I was with her but I'm not listed.
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Yes Erato, I have realised you have to scroll right across! :-[
Kooky
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Could someone have a look for Florence Humbertson/Lumbertson/Rainer (b1874 Plumstead, Kent) arriving with daughter Beatrice (b1898 Toronto) between 1898 and 1901 from Canada/USA ?
It would help to solve a small puzzle!
Thanks,
Nanny Jan
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HI
I couldn't find that particular family, but there is a John Humbertson born c1879 aged 19, departing from Montreal Quebec and arriving Liverpool on the 'Labrador' on 24 May 1898.
Mind you, other people are better than I am at this sort of thing, so hopefully they might be able to find Florence! Good luck - I still haven't found my German g-grandfather, but live in hope that the European immigrants might eventually be indexed.
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Thanks, lesleyhannah that might just be the clue I need! ;)
Nanny Jan
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I have found a Mr and Mrs Clulo both b. about 1864 age 40 dep. DELAGOA Bay, Mozambique, arr. Southampton 3 Sep 1904, on the 'Durham Castle', Union-Castle Mail Steamship Co. Ltd.
via, [!] Durban[Natal],East London, Port Elizabeth[Algoa Bay],Cape Town, Tenerife.
Is there any way of ascertaining their first names?
How accurate would ages and dob be?
He is described as glassmaker, so I know he is connected somehow.
I have a Thomas Clulo b. 1858, m.Eliza Hibbert, but he was a labourer later and I don't know how he could afford a trip like this!
Any ideas welcome,
Kooky
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I got so excited at finding these had been released only to find nothing, how disappointing!
I'm looking for an Antonas Matiozraitis and and Elzieta Dielinizaitis who emigrated from Lithuania to West Lothian in Scotland around 1902 - 1904 I'd guess. They aren't on the 1901 census and were married in Scotland in 1905.
I was sure they'd be on one of these lists but I can't find anything but I am just being rubbish at using the search fields???
Help!
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I was sure they'd be on one of these lists but I can't find anything but I am just being rubbish at using the search fields???
Happy to be corrected but I believe the lists only show BRITISH citizens :-\
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I found quite a few relatives born in Ireland who became U.S. citizen in the passenger records. However, I've also failed to find (so far) quite a few relatives who were British citizens that I know came back to England and Ireland from India and U.S.
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Oh that's great - new names to search for then! - I'd only seen people on the lists of British citizens so far :D :D
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Aha that might explain it! Any ideas where I'd look either online or physically?
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The passenger lists are for ships entering British ports from destinations outside Europe. They include all passengers regardless of nationality. Unfortunately there are no collections of passenger lists for journeys within Europe, so you will need to see if there are any other sources to trace your European migrant ancestors.
TNA's Research guide on the subject might help you, or at least convince you it's not worth trying!
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=243 (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=243)
Sadly for us, it was perfectly possible for people to move between countries without leaving any kind of paper trail, until around the First World War, when countries started requriing passports and placing limits on immigration.
Mean_genie
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Thanks for the info Mean_genie
As Madeira seems to have been a regular stopping off point for ships to and from the 'new world' can anyone please have a quick look and see if there is a Miss Hermine Schneider born 1898 arriving between 1915 and 1922.
(I no longer have a subcription to the site)
Thank you
Sharpie
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Could I be cheeky, please, and ask someone to do a look up for a Lancelot Alfred Gales (born 1882) and his wife Bertha (born c1881) (they also had a daughter Olive but she died in Canada). I have them on the 1911 Manitoba census but I believe Bertha came back to England but not sure about Lancelot!
I have looked at the link given but do not have membership. There is a Lancelot A Gales - port of arrival Southampton and also a Bertha Gales - port of arrival Liverpool. If someone could let me have details of these entries to confirm whether or not they could be mine, I would be most obliged.
With many thanks.
Zephyr
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Hi
Bertha Arrived in Liverpool from St John New Brunswick.
April 12 1913.
B @ 1881 age 32 occupation wife. Travelling to England on Empress of Ireland( Canadian Pacific Line).
Lancealot A Gales arrived 7 July 1932 in Southampton from Montreal Quebec.
Born @ 1882 age 50.
Travelling aboard the Montcalm ( Canadian Pacific Lines).
Also with him Bertha age 51. Lancealot a farmer Bertha a housewife .
Address given High St Hindon Salisbury Wiltshire. Travelling 3rd class.
Tazzie
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Please can I join in with a request?
Mabel Harris b. 1905 should be returning from Canada sometime in the 1930s (possibly late 20s or early 40s though).
I already have the record of her outbound journey in 1929 and would love to know when she came back.
TIA
Jojo
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Hi Tazzie
That is brilliant! Lancelot's mother came from Hindon and I know, after travelling the country (Lancelot's father worked on the railways) they settled back in Hindon.
Looks like Lancelot returned to home base. Lovely to have all the details of their return.
With many, many thanks.
Zephyr
;D ;D ;D
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I have also found my grandmother and grandfather on the lists but can't access as only have UK membership would somebody do a look up for me would be most grateful,their names are:
Winifred Mary Eadon and William Frederick Eadon. Belle
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If you read the earlier pages of this thread, you will see that this site can be accessed with a UK sub.
I have found lots of info! :)
Kooky
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I have just tried all the links that others have put on, but it won't let me.
Belle.
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Hi Belle,
Is this Winifred?
Tuscania, Anchor Line
Arrived Liverpool 2 Apr 1929
Embarked Bombay
Travelled 3rd Class
Eadon Winifred 11 Courtney Street Salcombe, Sth Devon, Housewife, age 35
Last Permanent Residence India, Country of Permanent Future Residence England
Eadon Irene, same address, age 1
Eadon Wilfred R, same address, age 2 (I think this should be 2 months)
City of Calcutta, The City Line Ltd
Arrived Plymouth 10 Sep 1932
Port of Embarkment Karachi
Eadon, Mrs Winifred 5 Island St, Salcombe Sth Devon, occupation 'wife', age 38, Last permanent residence India, intended residence England
Eadon Betty, age 11
Eadon Nance, age 9
Eadon Irence, age 4
Eadon Wilfred age 3
Eadon Douglas, age 1
Class: Cabin
Accra, Shipping Line Elder Dempster Lines Ltd
Arrived Liverpool 6 Mar 1950
Eadon, Winifred M, age 56,
1st Class
Address Downpark Lodge, Yelverton, S. Devon, Housewife, Country of Last permanent residence Nigeria Country of Permanent Future Residence Other parts of the British Empire
Port of Embarkation Apapa
Empress of Scotland, Steamship Line Canadian Pacific
Arrived Liverpool 1st Dec 1954
Embarked Montreal
Eadon Winifred M, age 61, 10 Wheatstone Rd Gloucester, Housewife, Last permanent residence Canada, Country of Permanent Future Residence England
Class: Tourist
There seem to be lots for a W F Eadon born ca. 1890 as well :P
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Hi Tati
Thank you for that, yes this is my grandmother,and Nance is my mum,don't understand why some with the same membership can access and i can't ???, could some one enlighten me,it keeps telling me to upgrade,
yes William did travel allot, Thanks again Belle.
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I think you need what they now call UK Premium membership instead of the basic one.
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Hi just upgraded,happy to do lookups, Belle
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Can some kind person do a look up for my friend. I have found Aileen Jones b 1949 sailing out with her Mother Florence from Southampton to New York on the QE1 in 1954. They returned roughly 6 months later as they hated America but can anyone find their return journey? I presume that they sailed home again (too far to swim!) and she can't remember how they got back as she was only small.
Regards
Gaynor
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Hi Gaynor
ship "Georgic" date of arrival 5th August 1954 port Southampton
122 Jones Florence 47 181 Gorsedale Rd,Wallasey,Cheshire Housewife USA
123 Jones Aileen 5 as above USA
regards, Tony
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Thank you so much Tony. That's brilliant, I'm very impressed!
Regards
Gaynor
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No problem Gaynor, i need the practice! ::)
i'm sure i've only got a standard subscription and i can access the list ok! :)
Tony
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Would it be possible for someone to look for John Greenwell returning from Canada 1928/9 please?
many thanks :)
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Grateful please if SKS would kindly and see if there are any STOODLEY/STOODLYs returning to the UK from South Africa between 1880-1885.
Thanks
Kanskar
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Hi madpants,
what age would John have been about? there's this one.....
White Star Line ship "Calgaric" departure Quebec.
212 Liverpool John Greenwell 16 Egerton Street,Middlesboro 3rd class labourer 28
best wishes, Tony
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Hi kanskar,
sorry but can't see any Stoodly's and only a few Stoodley's returning from Africa but their during the 1920-30's so i guess not much help! :(
good luck with your search, Tony
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Thank you Tony, that is my Grandad, is there a date for that please ;D
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Tony - Many Thanks for looking. Kanskar
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:-[ yes sorry madpants, forgot to put it down
23rd September 1928
best wishes,Tony
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wow ;D ;D so pleased to find him.
thank you so much Tony :-* :-*
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Hi,Hope you don't mind me jumping in.I am looking for the return to uk from Canada for these two.
Benjamin Parker aged approx late 20s between 1913 and being KIA in 1915..
Arthur J Ross approx aged26 Was back in uk to be married and children by 1936.(He went Canada 1929.)
Thank you for any help/info
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Hi is this your Benjamin?
Benjamin Parker
b/1883
Age 31
Port/Departure: Montreal. Quebec,
Arrival Date 4sept 1914
Port Arrival London
still looking for Arther
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forgot to mention Occupation: Army Reservist
Belle.
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Would someone be able to have a look for Fanny Evans born1880 returning to the UK from Australia with 4 children William, Albert, James and Mabel.Possibly embarking in Melbourne late 1913 or early 1914.
Fanny was a widow
Thanks
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16 July 1914 - Ship = Suevic, Steamship line -White Star. Arrived from Austrailia (Melbourne) via Capetown. Port arrival - London.
Passengers - Fanny Evans 34 yrs Laundress, Arthur 12yrs,Williams 7yrs, Irene 4yrs and John 9. Intentions to stay in England.
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Yes Bell,That's my Benjamin,thanks so much.I didn't know he had joined the reserves in Canada.He had only been there for a few years and only been married 2.I know when he signed up in uk etc until KIA.
Thanks for trying to find Arthur.They were uncle/nephew.
Cheers.
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Hi ricoba,
The only person for Arther i can find is a:(with your info)
John Arther Ross age 21 b/1910
Occupation Electrical worker.
Arr/date 1 Jan 1931
Arr/port Liverpool
Departure/Port St John, New Brunswick.
Could this be him ???
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Hi again Bell,I don't think that is him but will keep an open mind.He was born 1909,went Canada in 1929,but from what I had heard he stayed longer than 2 years,but info may have blurred over the years.From what I know he was always a carpenter/cab maker but could have had a change in trade while there.Thanks again,it could be him :-\
Cheers.
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Life's To Short thanks so much that is the family I was looking for. I have info on them in Aus. and before but couldn't find the return date.Thanks again Pips
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Hi everyone. I've been following this topic with interest and have noticed how some A*****y UK subscribers can access the database and others can't. Have been with them for years, so am a bit 'miffed' that I can't. Can someone do me a favour and find me some details on Mrs Sarah Sanders (b 1875) returning from Canada, with her sons Alfred, Stanley and Thomas (b 1906)? Possibly cheeky but I would be very grateful. Meanwhile I shall investigate what my annual subscriptions actually cover! Thank you! :)
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tim999uk:
Ship : Grampion
Shipping Line: Canadian Pacific
Offical Number 124220
Departure Port: St. John, New Brunswick
Arrival Port: Liverpool
Arrival Date: March 15, 1915
Sarah Sanders age 40
Walter Sanders age 12
Alfred Sanders age 11
Thomas Sanders age 9
No Stanley listed.
Travelling to: Ch (?) Crampton Rd., Penge, London (sorry can't read the first part)
dollylee
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If possible could sks look for a John Nolan b 1869 in USA arriving in England during period 1895 - 1909.
I know this is a bit of along shot but fingers crossed.
Many thanks in advance Troods
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Hi,
Was John Irish?
Abiam
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Hi Abiam
Johns parents were Irish they emmigrated to the US from Ireland circa 1861-65. John was born in St Pauls Minnesota.
Thanks Troods
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I think this may be him.
Name: John Nolan
Born: 1867
D`parture: New York
Arrival: Liverpool 4 June 1897
Ship: Britannic
Oficial Number: 63368
Fingers Crossed!
Abiam
Modified: Forgot Occupation Labourer
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Thanks Abiam you are a legend.
Its a pretty good match. On several docs he does give his occupation as a 'Labourer'.
Much appreciated Troods
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I know my British grandparents, Elizabeth (b.1862) and William Hills (b.1860) returned to the UK between 20 June 1891, when their dau. Elizabeth was born in the USA, and 2 Oct.1892 when their son was born in London.
I've tried full names, initials and just surname to no avail.
If anyone has any further suggestions I'd be very grateful.
forest
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Hi dollylee,
Many thanks for the info on my Grandfather Tom Sanders. It all fits as Stanley's middle name was Walter! Many, many thanks.
tim999uk
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You are more than welcome tim....it was terrific for me to hear that the information was correct and you appreciated having it looked up !!!
dollylee
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** post deleted because it made no sense ;D ;D
dollylee
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forest
I'm looking for my grandmother in the same time frame 1890-1892 and can't find her so I'm wondering if maybe some of the records from that time period may not be there :-\
mab
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Does anyone know why these dates are being used?[1878 - 1960]
Are there any plans for earlier or later batches to be put on line?
I don't want to appear ungrateful, I was just wondering 8)
Kooky.
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It would seem that some parents may have been economical with their children's ages due to the cost of the ticket,( e.g, children under 3 went free)which would explain why my mum is down as being 9 in 1932 when she was born in 1921 her sister also is down as 11 and she was born about 1917,worth bearing in mind.
Belle
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Kooky
Passenger lists were not systematically kept before 1890 (so the 1878-1889 part of this collection is incomplete) or after 1960. There is more infro about passenger lists in general in TNA's research guide:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletID=106 (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletID=106)
Mean_genie
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who can't find people who should be on there.
My great-uncle Morris visited England from America in the 1920s. I've found him going back to America, but not arriving here in the first place.
It seems the records are not complete.
Betty
I know my British grandparents, Elizabeth (b.1862) and William Hills (b.1860) returned to the UK between 20 June 1891, when their dau. Elizabeth was born in the USA, and 2 Oct.1892 when their son was born in London.
I've tried full names, initials and just surname to no avail.
If anyone has any further suggestions I'd be very grateful.
forest
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Could someone do a look up for me. :)
I'm trying to find a departure from London to South Africa for the Harrington Family.
Arthur Benjamin Harrington, born 1860
Frances Emily Harrington (wife) born 1869
Elsie May Waller (step daughter) born 1894
Alice Mary Harrington (daughter) born 1899
Henry Harrington (son) born 1902
I'm told they left England for South Africa sometime between 1900 and 1915. I would also like to discover their subsequent return to England during that period.
Elsie May Waller arrived in Australia in 1916, I have all that.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,336465.0.html
Many thanks.
Cheers, Kevin
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Aside from the 1878-1889 period the lists should be complete. The people you can't find are more likely to have been wrongly transcribed. Some of the handwritten lists are not easy to read, which would account for some of them, but, more worryingly, many people appear without surnames, even when their full names are on the lists.
I have also found the passengers of one ship sailing from Australia via India wrongly listed under the another ship from Quebec - all nine pages of them.
Mean_genie
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forest
Do you have any idea of William Hills profession or where they had been living in the U.S. ?
I found this very curious entry which includes all the names you have given but has two Elizabeths in a cabin while a William is listed on the ordinary passenger page. Could this be because Elizabeth is travelling with an infant and is also pregnant so for comfort was in a cabin?
The ages for the adults are a bit off but the other information seems to fit:
Ships Name: Lord Gough
Port of Departure: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Port of Arrival: Liverpool
Date of Arrival: May 22, 1892
Cabin Passengers: Mrs. Eliz.h Hills age 28 Profession: Lady
Miss Elizabeth Hills age 9/12 infant
Passenger: Wm. Hills age 28 Profession: Engineer
Stranger things have happened ;)
dollylee
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I'm sure that's them - they returned in an emergency situation so probably took whatever passage they could find or afford. Many thanks
forest
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I am so disappointed :'(
My grandmother (probably) returned to Britain from Canada on SS Montclare which ran aground in the Firth of Clyde 21/22 March 1931.
I have searched every way I can think of, but there doesn't appear to be a passenger list for this voyage. The ship didn't actually sink but perhaps in the confusion the paperwork was forgotten.
Just needed to share that, it's so frustrating when the time comes to admit defeat.
Jojo
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What a great resource. I found myself on there twice in 1957 and 1959. It even gives the address of the house we stayed in on leave from India in 1957 as well as the ship names - so now I have photos of those as well :) Somewhat surreal to see yourself on ancestry though
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Hi could some kind soul look up a record for me
Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
I am looking for Eleanor Hallett crossing from Buffalo, USA.
any other travel of Elanors would also be appricated.
Jo