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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Derbyshire => England => Derbyshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: PeterSzewc on Tuesday 01 February 05 21:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, could someone please lookup Joseph Henry Severn b. abt. 1856 Stonyford (abt. 5 in 61, 15 in 71).
Many thanks.
Peter.
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Hi
Here he is in 1871
Source information: RG10/3477
Registration district: Basford
Sub-registration district: Greasley
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Folio: 18
Page: 34
Household schedule number: 182
Eastwood, Nottinghamshire
SEVERN
William Head 37 Butcher b Greasley, Notts
Alice Wife 26 b West Hallam, Derbs
JOSEPH H Son 16 Collier b Stoneyford, Derbs
Harriette Daur 12 b Gross Lane, Ilkeston, Derbs
William H Son 7 b Chasetown, Staffs
George Son 5 b Chasetown, Staffs
Anne
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Thank you very much Anne.
Peter.
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Hi Peter
You are very welcome.
BTW where abouts in Norfolk and Cambridgeshire are your Johnson and Simpkin ancestors from?
Anne
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Johnson primarily Soham
Simpkin in Wicken, Welney
Do you have these lines?
Peter.
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Hi Peter- in your Severn line -do you have an Albert or Bertie-he Kept the Midland Hotel Langley Mill in early 1900''s-may be another publican in the family-if so I have a marriage (somewhere?) connected. let me know if you want this info? Also Joseph Henry Severn lived at 2 Princes St Eastwood 1881- same year at no34 lived Enos marson b. Hickling-born at no 17 in 1915 was one of the Thornhill line!
We all stayed close!The film "Sons and Lovers" based on DHLawrence book was filmed on Princes St abt late 1950's!
Do your Johnsons go back to Shipley /Ilkeston area?-I have Elizabeth Johnson b. 1791 Ilkeston m Samuel Thornhill b. 1791 Shipley-they married at Heanor!
All questions tonight!!!
Cheers Sue
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Hi Sue... this is all I have on SEVERN so far... any extra info would be great. As for the JOHNSON line... I think the THORNHILL/JOHNSON is a different line... no connection as of yet.
Cheers, Peter.
Descendants of William Severn
Generation No. 1
1. WILLIAM1 SEVERN was born Abt. 1834 in Greasley, Nottinghamshire, England. He married ALICE SMEDLEY November 27, 1854 in Parish Church, Codnor & Loscoe, Derby, England, daughter of JOSEPH SMEDLEY. She was born Abt. 1831 in West Hallam, Derbyshire, England.
Children of WILLIAM SEVERN and ALICE SMEDLEY are:
2. i. JOSEPH HENRY2 SEVERN, b. Abt. 1856, Stonyford, Derbyshire, England.
ii. HARRIETTE SEVERN, b. Abt. 1859, Ilkeston, Derbyshire, England.
iii. WILLIAM SEVERN, b. Abt. 1864, Chasetown, Stafforshire, England.
iv. GEORGE SEVERN, b. Abt. 1866, Chasetown, Stafforshire, England.
v. JOHNSON SEVERN, b. Abt. 1878, Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England.
Generation No. 2
2. JOSEPH HENRY2 SEVERN (WILLIAM1) was born Abt. 1856 in Stonyford, Derbyshire, England. He married MARY ELIZABETH NOON Abt. 1879 in Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England, daughter of JOSEPH NOON and ELIZABETH CLAY. She was born Abt. 1858 in Shipley, Derbyshire, England.
Children of JOSEPH SEVERN and MARY NOON are:
i. JOSEPH3 SEVERN, b. Abt. 1879, Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England.
ii. WILLIAM SEVERN, b. Abt. 1880, Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England.
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Hi Peter-this is a "recent" marriage-by my standards anyway!
21 April 1938 St Andrews Church langley Mill
HAROLD HOLMES 21 bachelor Loco Driver of The Midland Hotel Langley Mill father HAROLD HOLMES florist
married
ANNIE FLORRY SEVERN 24 spinster of Midland Hotel Langley Mill father BERTIE SEVERN licensed victualler
Witnesses BERTIE SEVERN and GEORGE WILLIAM HUTSBY
ANNIE FLORRY SEVERN also had a brother called BERT-I knew both of them-Bert (junior) died about 5 yrs ago-he died in mapperley Village-lived opposite The Black Horse. before retirement he had a business in West Hallam-all the places fit in!!! Just got to fit in the names!!!!The Midland Hotel (now called The Mill) is right on the Notts/Derbys border
I also have a lot of CLAY marriages which I haven't attempted to fit together yet-let me know if you are looking for any CLAY marriages and I will see if they are on my file.
By the way-I noted this marriage for the Holmes connection-mty tree is getting scary-I am so inbred!!!!!Sue
ANNIE always used to do the highland fling for us on New Years Eve!!!
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HI peter,More severns!
1901 census RG13 3144 85 11 55
Living at 53 Princes St Eastwood
JOSEPH HENRY SEVERN head M 45 Coal Miner Contractor b. Langley Mill Derbys
MARY ELIZABETH SEVERN M wife 44 b. Shipley Gate Derbys
WILLIAM SEVERN son 20 Coal Miner Holer b. Eastwood Nottm
LUCY ELLEN SEVERN daugh 16 b. Eastwood Nottm
HERBERT SEVERN son 14 Coal Miner Main Road b. Underwood Nottm
WALTER SEVERN son 11 b. Underwood Nottm
JOHN HENRY SEVERN son 7 b. Underwood Nottm
MARY ELIZABETH SEVERN daugh 6 b. Eastwood Nottingham
MAY SEVERN daugh 3 b. Eastwood Nottm
Princes St again!!!!
It's possible BERTIE SEVERN who kept the Midland Hotel is HERBERT, son of JOSEPH HENRY!!!!
BMD reg dist for these would be Basford-worth checking to see if there were any BERTIE SEVERN's-or just ALBERT'S
By the way Shipley Gate is where "Shipley Boat " is-and Stoneyford is just a few rows of cottages-near to "The Stoneyford Boat"-part of Langley Mill/Aldercar
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Sorry missed out HARRY SEVERN son 9 b. Underwood Nottm
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Even more! it seems Bertie was the son of YOUR 2.iii. WILLIAM
1901 CENSUS rg13 3144 126 15 living at Manson Fiels Eastwood
WILLIAM SEVERN 37 Coal Miner Contractor b. Staffs
SARAH A SEVERN wife 35 b. Eastwood
BERTIE SEVERN son 14 b. Eastwood
WILFRED SON 11 b. Eastwood
FLORRY SEVERNdaugh 9 b. Eastwood
SARAH ANN SEVERN daugh 8 b. Eastwood
JOSEPH SEVERN son 7 b. Eastwood
ARCHIE SEVERN son 4 b. Eastwood
MAUDE SEVERN daugh 2 b. Eastwood
GEORGE SEVERN brother 28 Coal miner contractor b. Eastwood
MARY CRITCHLEY General Domestic servant 15 b. Staffs Uttoxeter.
BERTIE (son of Bertie) was born 1907 Eastwood
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Wow... thanks Sue, that is a real chunk. Is your Severn connection through Mary Noon, or elsewhere?
Thanks again, Peter.
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The severn marriage was because of my Holmes connection-but haven't fitted it in -yet!Found another marriage of interest:
St Johns Church Aldercar-4 May 1889 entry 209
MATTHEW STIRLAND 24 B Miner of Heanor father SAMUEL STIRLAND joiner
married
LUCY NOON 22 S of Heanor father JOSEPH NOON Coal Dealer
Witnesses JOSEPH SEVERN and ELLEN NOON
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Hey... good find.
Cheers, Peter.
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JOHNSON SEVERN kept the Erewash Hotel from 1933-1939
Also
kELLYS 1899 -The Golden Ball at Codnor - JOHN NOON
How many pubs DIDN'T our families keep?
Cheers, Sue
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Wow... I can't believe it Sue... keep em coming!
Peter.
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Here we go again Peter!!!!
Marriage after banns -Brinsley Parish Church-12 Apr 1909
BERTIE SEVERN 22 farmer father WILLIAM HENRY SEVERN publican
married
ANNIE LINDLEY 22 father MATTHEW LINDLEY carpenter resident Brinsley
Witnesses MATTHEW LINDLEY, FLORY ? SEVERN
Am trying to find which pub WILLIAM HENRY SEVERN kept!!!
Also RICHARD THORNHILL b. abt 1804 Shipley -in 1861 kept the Arab Public House Langley!!!
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Not pubs this time-but thought this may be of interest-
Accounts of Thomas Birkin and I C Gething, Churchwardens for the parish of Greasley from Easter 1842-1843
June 4th Paid WILLIAM SEVERN 2 and a half days for cleaning churchyard walks-sum of 5 shillings
This may/maynot be of interest- Baptism at Cotmanhay U Methodist Free Church
9 July 1838 ISAAC of THO and GRACE SEVERN Shipley 1 mth old
also at same church
28 Sept 1839 WM of SARAH NOON and ? WEDDON? Cotmanhay 4 years old
Cheers sue
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Thanks again Sue... wow, I can't keep up with the incoming flow of info. I am going to have to get to work on the Severn side.... keep it coming.
Cheers, Peter.
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Just came across the pub WILLIAM HENRY SEVERN kept-strangely enough we held our wedding reception there-many years ago
KELLYS 1908
WILLIAM HENRY SEVERN Yew Tree Inn Brinsley
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Isn't that a coincidence, I can't wait to come over to England and see some of these places.
Thanks Sue.
Cheers, Peter.
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HI peter,More severns!
1901 census RG13 3144 85 11 55
Living at 53 Princes St Eastwood
JOSEPH HENRY SEVERN head M 45 Coal Miner Contractor b. Langley Mill Derbys
MARY ELIZABETH SEVERN M wife 44 b. Shipley Gate Derbys
WILLIAM SEVERN son 20 Coal Miner Holer b. Eastwood Nottm
LUCY ELLEN SEVERN daugh 16 b. Eastwood Nottm
HERBERT SEVERN son 14 Coal Miner Main Road b. Underwood Nottm
WALTER SEVERN son 11 b. Underwood Nottm
JOHN HENRY SEVERN son 7 b. Underwood Nottm
MARY ELIZABETH SEVERN daugh 6 b. Eastwood Nottingham
MAY SEVERN daugh 3 b. Eastwood Nottm
Princes St again!!!!
It's possible BERTIE SEVERN who kept the Midland Hotel is HERBERT, son of JOSEPH HENRY!!!!
BMD reg dist for these would be Basford-worth checking to see if there were any BERTIE SEVERN's-or just ALBERT'S
By the way Shipley Gate is where "Shipley Boat " is-and Stoneyford is just a few rows of cottages-near to "The Stoneyford Boat"-part of Langley Mill/Aldercar
Hello there,
Thanks to your old posts I've really got myself started on my family tree this weekend.
The Bertie Severn at the Midland Hotel Langley Mill happens to be my great grandfather. According to my father he may also have kept the Clinton Arms at Old Brinsley.
Sally
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You may be correct about the Clinton Arms, Sally. I will investigate further.
My father knew Bertie of the Midland Hotel -and I remember Bert (who I think is his son??
There was also an Annie who I remember who was Bert's sister
I'll see if I can find any of my old notes
Suz
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Hello !
Annie was his wife! Her maiden name was Lindley. They had 2 children Joseph and my grandfather who was named Wilfred Lindley Severn after his mother.
Sally
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Funny, I can't find another Bertie amongst the Severns. My dad says he was definately Bertie and not albert or herbert which made his first name quite unusual.
Altho' Annie Lindley did have a brother Albert.....
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Bertie Severn married Annie Lindley that's correct _ I have the marriage details
They had a daughter Annie Florry Severn who married Harold Holmes -this is the Annie I knew
There was also a son Bert _I think!
I'll have to find my notes!!!
Won't be too long -I hope
Suz
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I have found some of my notes
Bertihe was the son of William Henry Severn who kept the Yew tree brinsley Notts (now renamed "The Farmhouse"}
He married Annie Lindley and they had the following children
all births reg Basford district
William Henry Jun qtr1910
Bert Sept qtr 1911 (this is who I knew)
Wilfred L Dec qtr 1912
Annie Florry (married harold Holmes )
Walter Jun qtr 1915
Joseph Jun qtr 1917
Madge Dec qtr 1918
I'll see if I can find more
EDITED Bertie was the son of William Henry Severn Bertie is entered on one census twice -that's where the confusion came in!!!
Suz
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Bertie had a sister called Florry I think.
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Thanks Suz - must drag myself away....until next time!
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Bertie Severn and Annie Lindley kept the Clinton Arms in 1918 (at least) Bertie worked as a coal miner as well as having the pub-it seems Annie ran the pub when bertie did his service in the Armed Forces in 1918
I have the actual dates of birth of their children
William Henry Severn 19/4/1910 Underwood
Bert Severn 8/8/1911 Underwood
Wilfred Lindley Severn 13/9/12 Underwood (your Grandfather)
Annie Florrie Severn 8/10 /1913 Underwood (married Harold Holmes)
Walter Severn 2/3/1915 Underwood
Joseph Severn 3/5/1917 Underwood
Madge Severn 3/10/1918 Brinsley
so your Grandfather had more siblings than you thought!!!!!
Bertie's WW1 records are on ancestry and Annie is his next of kin (wife) and all children are named in records
I'll look for more
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Wow - that's great thank Suz!
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If you have to go -that's fine _I'll just post for when you pop in again
(I may P>M. you if I find anything on the living/maybe living -as it is RootsChat policy to not post those details on the public boards (identity theft etc
Suz
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I see you two have already met. Hi Suzard, it has been quite a while, hope things are well.
Peter.
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Lovely to hear from you -things are OK here.
Still researching!
Here's details for Bert Severn -son of Bertie And Annie Lindley
Marriage reg
Bert Severn
Lydia Roberts
Jun qtr 1937
Shardlow
7b 1091
Deathreg
Bert Severn
born 8 Aug 1911
death reg Aug 1996
age 85
Derby
E31C 3941E 142
Death reg
Lydia Severn
born 16 Nov 1917
death reg Oct 2003 Derby
A55C 394 1A 106
if you require more info re children etc please request and I will PM you
Suz
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Seems madge (daughter of bertie Severn and Annie Lindley) ended her days in Staffs
Marriage reg
George W Hutsby
Madge Severn
Mar qtr 1939
Ilkeston 7b 741
Death reg
Madge Hutsby
born 3 Oct 1918
death 1983
Staffs moorland
30 1328
poss George's death reg
George William Hutsby
born 15 Jan 1917
death Jan 1996
age 79
Stoke on trent
E56F 7371E 284
if you look back thro posts -George William Hutsby was a witness at the marriage of Annie Florry Severn (daughter of bertie and Annie!!)
Have to go for a while
Over to you Peter!!!!
Suz
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Hi,
Madge certainly lived in Staffs. Bertie Severn and Annie Lindley were my grand parents. In the late 1940's they moved to a farm at Great Gate in Staffs. After Annie's death George Hutsby and Madge went to live with Bertie at the farm. George was a lorry driver for a local quarry and I remember going with him on a delivery one day. The farm was only a very small one and in reality Bertie used it as a hobby in his retirement. He had two Fresian cows called - wait for it - Buttercup and Daisy. More to follow if you want it.
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Hi Pringham and welcome to Rootschat. Thanks for the information on Bertie and his family. It really helps to get a picture of the life of our ancestors. I have been out of the research for a bit, but hope to get back at it soon. Good luck in your research.
Cheers, Peter.