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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: Marpatch on Monday 20 October 08 06:51 BST (UK)
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I am interested in the ownership of Staplewood farm Longdown. I have the Webb family listed on the 1871 Census, but would like to know if they were the owners or workers..I have a photo of the farm after it was rebuilt,
I'm not sure of the date that it was damaged by fire, but would appreciate any history on the farm that anyone might have.
Many thanks
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I see you mention the Webbs of Longdown, my wife's name was Webb, her father was Edwin Webb and they all decended from the Longdown, Totton, Woodlands area.
From what I can make out in the 1861 Census is
Thomas Webb Head labourer Longdown
Fanny Webb wife " "
Allen J Webb son " "
James Webb son " "
The 1891 Census is
Allen Webb Head Farmer Longdown
Emma Webb wife " "
Flora Webb daughter " "
Walter Webb son " "
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I see you mention the Webbs of Longdown, my wife's name was Webb, her father was Edwin Webb and they all decended from the Longdown, Totton, Woodlands area over the 18/1900's Most were from the Farming community, I
think the Barker-Mills family owned a great deal of the area and probably Staplewood farm as well all my wifes family lived in tied cottages or small holdings on the estate as did we when we married, we lived in Twiggs lane. The estate was later taken over by the niece who was married to an MP by the name of Hudson-Davis
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Thank you for your help. I don't have a Thomas or Allen Webb in my tree so far. My line is from
1. Charles Webb 1863 Born Longdown M Edith Stride.
2.William Webb Born 1833 Longdown M Elizabeth Bull
3. William Webb born 1807 Eling M Rosa Webb Born Fawley
$. William Webb Born 1776 M Elizabeth Eldridge.
Any help you can give regarding the Webb History would be appreciated. I have found the mentioned 4 Webb's on the census so have most of their children names. I was lucky enough to visit longdown last year while on holiday from Western Australia, but of course there is never enough time to complete the necessary research . My grandfather Charles Webb moved to Burley which is where my Father & I were born, but I spent my teenage years in Hythe. I'm hoping one day to be able to visit again especially Dibden Church.
Regards Marlene
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My William Webb is on the 1891 Census At Dale Farm with several of his children. Do you know who your 'Thomas's 'father was. I'm trying to find if their is a connection between us
Thanks again
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Hi Marlene,
My wife Margaret is trying to remember any details of her family but we both know the names you mentioned as their spouses as they are still local names, I see that your William Webb b1807 was from Eling so that may be a good place to start as I know Eling is involved in the early years of the Webb's, I think that if there is a connection it will probably be pre/early 1800s.
We now live at Holbury
We will keep searching and be in touch if anything comes up.
Regards,
Alan
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Hi Alan
Many thanks for your info, Could I ask your wife's Grandfather's name, Was she connected to Thomas & Ellen?. We visited friends in Westbourne Ave Holbury whilst on holiday. I found that it hadn't changed much in 40 yrs..Just a few more houses. I'm saving hard for the next trip over, I've lots of old relatives to track down.
Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
I have just been told by my wife that her uncle was Thomas Webb but he married a French lady called Lillian, she does not know the surname, Lillians Mother came over for a holiday from France and she married an
Edward Deacon. The only known Thomas was her G G Grandfather born abt 1826 and was married to Fanny but I don't know her surname.
Not much help I'm afraid
Regards, Alan
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Hi Alan
I have found Thomas & Fanny with children, James, Edward, fanny & Oliver on 1881 Census at Dibden Bottom. farmer of 25 Acres...but am no further connecting your wife to my family...I'll keep on digging.
Keep warm. Regards Marlene
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Hi Alan
I thought that I would let you know my latest finding on Thomas Webb..He must be your wife's GG/Grandfather.
He married Fanny Dimmick 21st June 1856. He was of full age Occ Labour. NO fathers name listed.
Fanny was 20, her father was William Dimmick and they were both living at Chapel Street ?. The witnesses were William Longman & Elizabeth Bull. I have got the Cert. I have also found them on 1841/51 Census.
1851 Longdown
Joseph Rodgers head unm 64 Farmer 15 acres b Eling
Elizabeth Leach housekeeper widow 81? b Beaulieu
Thomas Webb Illegitimate son 16 farm Lab b do
Eliza Webb Illegitmate daug 14 scholar b do.
1841 includes another daug Emma age 7.
I still believe that he is connected to my Webb's but have yet to prove it. I'll keep digging
I hope that you are managing the snowy conditions, we are just the opposite, very hot with threats of bush fires.
best regards for the New Year.
Best wishes
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Hi Alan
1891 Census.
Thomas Webb Head married 54 b 1837 Farmer born Eling
Fanny Webb Wife Married age 52 b 1839 born Eling
Edward Webb Son Single 26 b 1865 Ag Lab born Eling
Oliver W Webb son Single 20 b 1871 Ag Lab born Eling.
Living: Highway, Eling Marchwood, New Forest Hampshire.
1911 Census
Thomas Webb head 75 b 1836 Farmer born Colbury
Fanny Webb Wife married 54 yrs age 74 b 1837 born Redbridge
Edward Charles son Single 47 b 1846 working on farm born Colbury
Longman Sarah .Sister in law widow age 81 b 1830 born Totton
Living at Colbury Farm Colbury near Totton.
OLIVER WALTER WEBB Married a Sarah? they had 4 sons & 1 daug. they were living at Pound Lane Colbury on 1911 Census.
Regards Marlene
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Hi Marlene,
I tried sending you a reply last week but my computer decided it wasn't having any of it and threw it out, so I will try again.
It seems that most of the Colbury/Longdown area was populated by Webb's, my wifes father, Edwin Webb, was b 1909 and his father was Walter Webb, b 1890ish which would have made him very young when Edwin was born! his father was Allen J Webb, but in the 1891 census there was a son Allen W Webb 9mo, did the "W" stand for Walter? they lived at School House, Longdown.
In the 1881 census, Allen J, was living at Londown with wife Emma and at the same address was a Mary Webb and son Samuel, both Allen J (24) and Mary (67) were both classed as Head!
In the 1871 census, Mary was a 'Widow' living with son Samuel and 7 other Webb's at 'Staplewood Farm' Eling.
In 1861, Allen J (4) was living at Longdown, with father, Thomas Webb, mother, Fanny and brother, James.
Also in 1861, Mary was living at Londown with husband Henry and son Samuel and two daughters, Ann and Betsy.
In 1851, Mary was living in Longdown with husband Henry and 12 children including 2 illegitimate.
In 1841, Mary and Henry are at Longdown with 6 other Webb's, 5 presumably thier children.
Lots of the names of the children appear in most of the census's and it does seem as though they are all related in some way or other. I have traced a lot through www.thegenealogist.co.uk will keep on searching though to verify.
All snow gone here in Holbury,
Alan
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Hi Alan
Just a note to thank you for your latest posting, I'm still trying to digest all the Census recordings. Glad that the snow has cleared from Holbury, we have had temperatures of 42C this week, not very nice...I would much prefer the snow. My e-mail address is *if you would like to use it in future
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Marlene
Hi there - I think I can help you here
I have the death certificate of Elizabeth Webb - died 1839 in Longdown, Elizabeth Leach mother, present at death. Elizabeth Webb widow married John Leech in 1834.
Thomas Webb, illegitimate son was bap 20.4.1835 to Joseph Roger and Elizabeth Webb
Eliza Webb illegitimate daughter was bap 12.4.1837 to the above, both baptised at Eling
I think Elizabeth Webb was the daughter of Robert Webb and Elizabeth Rawlings and sister to Henry Rawlins Webb born 1804 and Rose Webb born 1813.
So your instinct about a connection with your family tree is correct. So are Elizabeth Rawlings and Elizabeth Leech one of the same ?
best wishes
L.
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Lucy. Thank you so much for your reply. I guess you're saying that it was the Elizabeth Webb who died in 1839 widowed mother who married John Leach and that Thomas, Eliza & Emma b1834 ( 1841 Census) were Elizabeth Webb & Joseph Rodgers children. Have I understood it correctly?. My connection with the Robert Webb / Elizabeth Rawlings is daughter Rosa b 1813 who married William Webb My GGGrandparents. May I ask what your interest is in the Webb's. Do you have any suggestions of how we confirm that your suspicions are correct. I haven't found Henry's birth details yet but have two other siblings, Mary 1807.Sarah 1809.
Regards Marlene
Western Australia
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Marlene
I can see from your posts that we are cousins.
Jack Webb b1867, my great grandfather, was brother to Charles Henry b.1863, your grandfather. So we share a few William Webbs in common. However I have not got back any further than you on our earliest William born 1771 in Fawley.
Yes Elizabeth Webb and Joseph Rogers had Thomas, Eliza and Emma. Elizabeth Leach her mother died of influenza 1.4.1852 aged 82 in Twigs Lane Longdown, widow of John Leach.
If you look at the 1851 Census for Longdown, Elizabeth is living next to Nohannah Moore and near to Henry Webb, Eliza Meacher, Amelia Winter and Rose Webb. All likely siblings and possibly her children. Robert Webb their father died in 1830 in Eling. So Elizabeth then went on to marry John Leach 4 years later.
The 1851 Census indicates that Elizabeth was born in Beaulieu around 1770. Now we have a problem, everything did slot nicely into place but Elizabeth Rawlings was born in 1786 in Fawley to Edward Rawlins and Elizabeth Osey.
That would mean when Elizabeth married John Leach in 1834 she was 64 and he was 50, this does not ring true. I think she added on 15 years because it would have been indecent to live with Joseph who was the same age as her but the father of her grandchildren. I may be wrong.
See your Henry Webb thread.
L.
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Hello
I have just come across this site and notice you are tracing the Webbs. My late Mother-in-Law Mary was the maternal Grand daughter of Charles and Edith Webb. Her parents were Harry Frank Browning and Norah Webb. She was born 1924 and grew up in Burley, Hampshire. I think this is the same line as you are talking about. i would be very interested in getting more history. I knwo she has mentioned a relative who went to Australia.
Regards
Lorraine steele
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Hi Lorraine.
Yes I'm part of the Webb family who moved to Australia. My Father was Albert Webb, Norah's brother. Unfortunately I'm unable to send you a personal message until you've made three posting on the Forum.
But feel free to ask me some general family history questions.
Best regards .
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Hi again Lorraine.
My family history program tells me that you're the 'wife of 1st cousin 1x removed' to me.
As you can see from the previous posts its surprising how many people in the Hythe, Marchwood and Burley district are descended from our family. I started delving into the family history in hopes of writing a journal of family 'life' for my ten Australian grandchildren so they would know their heritage. I'm still researching and still saying to my husband that I must start the journal before I get too old..
As you probably realise Burley Church yard is home to a few of the family, my dads ashes are in Charles and Edith's grave along side Norah's and Harry's. I am very grateful to my friends and cousins who endeavour to keep the weeds at bay at stop the grave from disappearing .. Sadly its a little too far away for me to do my share of the work.
I would be pleased to help with any queries that you have.
Best Regards