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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Cairns88 on Saturday 18 October 08 15:59 BST (UK)
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Hello!
Just wondering if anyone could help me with my search for my great great great great grandfather...
Thomas WALLACE BORN: 1849 Ireland
I don't know where he was born in Ireland...only that he went to Queen's University, Belfast to do Medicine.
I have found him on the 1871 Census Cardiff, South Wales with his irish cousin
Later with his wife on the 1881 & 1891 Census Cardiff, South Wales
But I don't know where he was born or who his parents were....
Please help :):):)
Charlotte
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do you know his wifes name,did he have children, what were their names. sometimes there is a clue in their names. does his death cert. give any clues.
regards mary.
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What's the name of the 'Irish cousin'?- may be clues there.
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Thank you for replying both :)
I can't find a death record or a marriage record in Cardiff for Thomas WALLACE :(
I know that his wifes name was Margaret Jane VACHELL Born: Cardiff, South Wales
Children:
Charles R Vachell Wallace
John Wallace
Margaret Gertrude Wallace
Francis Elsie Wallace
Dorothy Mary Wallace
Hester Shearman Wallace
Christobel Jane Wallace
The name of his cousin was Samuel Wallace and it just says he was from Ireland too, but he did go to Glasgow University to do medicine aswel, so they must have been a wealthy family in Ireland...I can't access the irish records though :( it has a lock symbol
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Wallace family may not have been very wealthy. Often family members helped each other out- in my family one of the doctors helped a cousin's son through medical school and then that boy helped another cousin's son become a doctor.
What does this refer to?
I can't access the irish records though :( it has a lock symbol
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Hi
The middle name Shearman maybe a clue, you can log on to this site for free if you want more details you need to pay for them, be careful before you buy as there can be more than one person with the same name and also some records are missing.
Church Baptism Shearman Hester 1838 Co. Kilkenny
https://brsgenealogy.com/ifhf/index.php
You might want to check this out also
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.shearman/66/mb.ashx
They are from Kilkenny have a Thomas Shearman and they have a Rev. Shearman who they think was in Belfast
Helena
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Hi
Have you tried the university to see what records they have available, they may have the Co. he came from or even parents names.
Helena
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hey Helenar
Thanks for the info!! Having a look on that irish geneology site you gave me :):)
Fingers crossed i'll find something!
I do agree Shearman seems like a surname rather than a middle name so hopefully that'll take me somewhere :):)
Do you know how I would be able to contact the uni for records.....would they give information out??
Charlotte
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Not sure how to contact the University someone else maybe able to help.
Most places are happy to give info these days, you can only ask
Helena
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Hi Charlotte,
Here's my donation to the WALLACE collection ...
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Looks like your folks chose to get married in a trendy Somerset spa town:
The Bristol Mercury
Saturday, May 6, 1876; Issue 4492.
MARRIAGES
WALLACE - VACHELL
May 2, at Charlcombe Church, Bath,
by the Rev. Edward MARKBY,
assisted by the Rev. Thackeray STUBBS,
Thomas WALLACE, M.D., of Cardiff,
to Margaret Jane,
eldest daughter of the late C.R.VACHELL, M.D., of Cardiff.
[N.B. No copy announcement was made in Belfast's "News-Letter" or in Dublin's "Freeman's Journal" that year.]
Perhaps they went there to suss out the potential for future high-value "doctoring" business?! More likely, they were in town for the season, maybe helping Margaret's mother, a widow of 12 years by then, to "take the waters".
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Some useful GRO references (from www.freebmd.org.uk) are:
Deaths Q/E Mar 1859
VACHELL Charles Cardiff 11a 184
[Grandfather?]
Deaths Q/E Jun 1865
VACHELL Charles Redwood Cardiff 11a 171
[Father.]
Marriages Q/E Jun 1876
VACHELL Margaret Jane Bath 5c 995
WALLACE Thomas Bath 5c 995
Births Q/E Jun 1877
WALLACE Charles Redwood V Cardiff 11a 289
[1st child. Named after maternal grandfather ...]
Births Q/E Jun 1891
WALLACE Christobel Jane Cardiff 11a 306
[Last child.]
There seems to have been quite a sizeable WALLACE clan in Cardiff.
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The only sensible candidate "Cardiff" death record is:
Deaths Q/E Jun 1924
WALLACE Thomas H 64 Cardiff 11a 372
However, this person would have been born in 1859/60.
So can't be your one (b.1849).
Casting the net wider, allowing 5 years of leeway on estimated year of birth, throws up the following candidates:
eYOB First Names Age Q/E District Vol Page
1844 Thomas 62 Mar-1906 St. Olave 1d 118
1844 Thomas 70 Mar-1914 Wakefield 9c 41
1844 Thomas W 77 Mar-1921 Carlisle 10b 799
1844 Thomas 80 Jun-1924 Reigate 2a 236
1844 Thomas 83 Mar-1927 Kensington 1a 291
1845 Thomas 60 Dec-1905 Oldham 8d 415
1845 Thomas 65 Sep-1910 Worcester 6c 119
1845 Thomas 72 Dec-1917 Whitehaven 10b 745
1845 Thomas 78 Dec-1923 Southwark 1d 101
1845 Thomas 79 Mar-1924 Lanchester 10a 550
1847 Thomas 70 Mar-1917 Edmonton 3a 936
1847 Thomas R 71 Sep-1918 Darlington 10a 54
1847 Thomas 71 Dec-1918 Burnley 8e 260
1848 Thomas S D 66 Dec-1914 Marylebone 1a 641
1848 Thomas 76 Dec-1924 W.Derby 8b 426
1848 Thomas G 81 Jun-1929 Bedwellty 11a 81
1849 Thomas 68 Jun-1917 Lanchester 10a 378
1849 Thomas 70 Jun-1919 Prestwich 8d 246
1850 Thomas 53 Jun-1903 Gloucester 6a 177
1850 Thomas 64 Dec-1914 Thakeham 2b 428
1850 Thomas 65 Mar-1915 Newcastle T. 10b 48
1850 Thomas 71 Dec-1921 Bolton 8c 464
1851 Thomas 47 Dec-1898 Rochdale 8e 35
1852 Thomas 60 Mar-1912 Wrexham 11b 420
1852 Thomas 63 Dec-1915 Carlisle 10b 690
1852 Thomas 64 Jun-1916 Sunderland 10a 865
1852 Thomas G 67 Mar-1919 Stockport 8a 124
1853 Thomas 40 Sep-1893 West Derby 8b 264
1853 Thomas 54 Jun-1907 Preston 8e 390
1853 Thomas 58 Mar-1911 Birmingham 6d 40
1853 Thomas 61 Jun-1914 Newcastle T. 10b 5_
1853 Thomas 62 Sep-1915 Godstone 2a 240
1853 Thomas H 76 Dec-1929 S.Shields 10a 730
1854 Thomas Robert 54 Sep-1908 Winchester 2c 64
1854 Thomas 61 Mar-1915 Newcastle T. 10b 257
1854 Thomas 62 Jun-1916 Tynemouth 10b 297
1854 Thomas 68 Mar-1922 Penrith 10b 882
That one in the Bedwelty registration district looks worth a punt.
[It lies about 15 miles North & East of Cardiff, in the foothills of the Black Mountains.
Maybe Thomas retired to a small village or cottage.]
If it is him, then he lived to a ripe old age.
[Quite an achievement for someone born in the famished / epidemic-ravaged Ireland of 1849.]
N.B. The FreeBMD databases are still far from being complete, but growing by th day - always worth a regular re-visit.
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Some other news:
The Bristol Mercury
Saturday, June 3, 1865; Issue 3922.
DEATHS
May 26, at Charles-street, Cardiff,
Charles Redwood VACHELL, Esq., M.D.
Saturday, December 7, 1839; Issue 2596.
INQUEST
[in to sudden death of Mary MABBETT of Thornbury.
Charles Redwood VACHELL was house-surgeon at the Institution in Park-street.]
Saturday, November 29, 1834; Issue 2336.
APOTHECARIES' HALL - Names of gentlemen to whom the Court of Examiners granted Certificates of Qalification on Thursday last:
... Charles Redwood VACHELL of Cardiff; ...
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Ya'll keep trawling and hauling there now.
Pip pip!
Capt. Jock
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SNIPPETS ON THE SURNAME
The WALLACE name is well known in Galway, Cork, Limerick and Dublin.
However, it is most common in Ulster, especially counties Antrim, Down and Derry.
It can be of Norman, English or Scottish origin.
The name was common in medieval Ireland as le Waleis, 'the Welshman'.
Known in England as the surname WALLIS, meaning 'Welshman' or 'Celt'.
It first appears in 12thC Scotland as Richard WALLACE (latin: WALLENSIS), who came North from Shropshire in the service of Walter FITZALAN, Scottish progenitor of the STEWARTs.
Sir William WALLACE was the descendant of a Strathclyde Briton, such people being referred to by the latin name WALLENSIS in Scotland. The name appears in 12thC records for Ayrshire and Renfrewshire. Others were followers of the Earls of Crawford, chiefs of Clan LINDSAY.
[CJ: Scotland's premier baron.]
In mid-19thC Antrim the name was found in twelve out of the fourteen baronies and was the most common name in the barony of Lower Toome.
In Co. Down it was most common on the Ards peninsula, between Newtownards and Grey Abbey.
Sir Richard WALLACE 1818-90, of uncertain parentage, fell heir to the CONWAY estates near Lisburn in 1870 when the 4th Marquis of Hertford (who was either his father or half-brother) died. This included the finest art collection in private hands in the world.
[CJ: Housed in the much-extended Manchester House, Manchester Square, London. When he died, his wife (whose surname he had adopted) donated it all to the nation, the famous "WALLACE Collection". It contains only two items of "Irish" interest, both silver - CONWAY's "Orange Order" badge and an ancient prayer bell.]
Ref: The Book of Ulster Surnames by Robert BELL ISBN 0-85640-405-5
Capt. Jock [CJ]
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"Sir Richard WALLACE 1818-90, of uncertain parentage, fell heir to the CONWAY estates near Lisburn in 1870 when the 4th Marquis of Hertford (who was either his father or half-brother) died. This included the finest art collection in private hands in the world."
This was the Wallace connection I was going to refer to as well. Extremely wealthy and still today in Lisburn there are a number of buildings and areas named after him, and indeed the house he inherited still exists and is part of a fresh debate in the city as to whether to move the museum to this building -also in the city we have Wallace Park, the Wallace Fountain and indeed my old school which adopted the name Wallace after he made a generous donation towards what was then 'Lisburn Intermediate School' in the late 1800s.
I would imagine your 'Wallace' had very wealthy connections, if not substantial wealth himself.
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I agree with you fmni. My Wallace connections were all very ordinary farmers who would never have dreamed of becoming doctors in those days. RosemaryJoan
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Not sure how to contact the University someone else maybe able to help.
Most places are happy to give info these days, you can only ask
Helena
QUB were very helpful with my searches. The contacts;
hcarvalho {--at--} qub.ac.uk and smcneill {--at--} yahoo.co.uk helped me and sent me copies of papers etc.
Yours etc., Newgent.
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Charlotte
This might be a relative which you may already have, just in case you dont
Charles T Vachell b1849 General Practitioner M.D.London Etc born Cardiff Glamorganshire Wales with wife Winifred and daughter Eleanor living at 51 Crockherbtown, Cardiff St John with 3 servants. 1881 census
Helena
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My WALLACE connection is actually WALLS from Orkney in Scotland.
Orkney used to be under Norse control (from Norway) and Walls is a variation of an old NORSE name and was later anglicised to Wallace
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cairns88 Doctor Wallace had a daughter called Margaret Gertrude Wallace. She married Edward Maples Linton and her eldest son John Wallace Linton won the Victoria Cross in 1943.The marriage was dissolved in 1933 and she married a solicitor from Barnstaple called Richard Balsdon. She died in 1962
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SNIPPETS ON THE SURNAME
The WALLACE name is well known in Galway, Cork, Limerick and Dublin.
However, it is most common in Ulster, especially counties Antrim, Down and Derry.
It can be of Norman, English or Scottish origin.
The name was common in medieval Ireland as le Waleis, 'the Welshman'.
Known in England as the surname WALLIS, meaning 'Welshman' or 'Celt'.
Wales is an Anglo Saxon defining name meaning 'Foreigner'. They also used it for the Walloons of Belgium and Wallachia in Eastern Europe.