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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Mitch on Tuesday 01 February 05 16:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I'm currently doing some research in this area and would like to hear from anyone who had a relative that served in France with the Royal Munster Fusiliers 2nd Bn. I can also assist you if you need help finding more information on a relative that was killed during the war. More specifically what I am after is any letters, diaries, medal records etc that you might have. I am doing a PhD in this area and eventually hope to write a book about the Munsters during the Great War.
Thank you for taking time to read this posting.
Mitch
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Hi Mitch - I only recently saw you message on this site. Unfortunately I don't have much at all for you (if you're still interested). The only details I have of my great uncle is a photocopy of his WW1 medal index card. His medals are obviously listed on it also name, regiment, number and theatre of war.
I also have a print out from Commonwealth War Graves site which gives his name,rank,regiment, unit,date of death, grave reference. His father's name is on it too.
I understand it may not be what you need but if it is of any use you are welcome to use it.
I eventually found the telephone number for the university in Cork! I did ring to try to have a word with you to explain what I had. The lady I spoke to was very helpful and said she would pass the message on to you.
By the way have you tried' The Great War Forum '? It may be a good site for your research. Everyone there is really helpful. There's all sorts of enquiries about WW1 . It has a lot of people who know their stuff and are very willing to help others. I made a couple of enquiries myself and got replies straight away. There are lots of different categories on the site . I just thought you might find it useful.
Please let me know if you would like the copies. E. M. (uk)
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Hi Neptune,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I wonder can you tell me more about your relative that died in the war. A name and Regiment will do. My research has become more focused of late and I am now interested in men that served in the 2nd Bn. of the Royal Munster Fusiliers durng the First World War. There is a good chance that your Great Uncle, if he was from Cork City, served in this regiment. If this is the case I can tell you what he was involved in when he died. I also have access to the Chaplin's diaries (Fr. Francis Gleeson) and also regimental details from the war if this is any good to you.
Kind Regards
Ian
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Hi all,
My Grand-Uncle fought with the 2nd batt Munster Fusiliers in France and then moved from them to the Machine Gun Corps. Would be very willing to help a fellow PhD student, although I am a theologian more than I am an historian. My uncle hailed from Cork City itself, but I fear that it seems his service record perished in the fire that destroyed most of the MGC's papers. I do not know if any records survive from his time in the RMF, however. Are you at my old alma mater, UCC? If os, when I am next in Cork in July, let's have a pint!
Ceallachain
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Hi Ceallachain,
I am indeed at UCC and I would be delighted to meet up for a pint. I am however away until the 19th of July, but if you are around after this we can meet up.
Kind Regards
Mitch
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Hi Mitch
I am a new member and have noticed your posting about WW1. My grandfather was John Halloran born 1886 in Cork City. He joined the Royal Munster Fusiliers 2nd battalion and was based at Maplaquet Barracks at Aldershot. He was killed on 27 August 1914 at Etreux in France. I'm afraid I don't have any medals or papers of his to interest you but will expand on the attached info if it is of any use to you.
Lenasheff
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Hello
If you go to UK National Archives - select 'search archives' then select 'documents on line' etc etc and do an advanced search just entering Munster Fuseliers in the other keywords...there were 17,158 campaign medals issued for the Munsters.
There are also diaries which indicate that the 7th Bn Royal Munster Fuselliers were at Gallipoli.
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Hi Mitch
My Grandfather served in the Royal Munster Fusiliers in 1914 in France and his name was Sergeant Thomas Hyde DCM, MM. I would be grateful if you knew anything about him could you please let me know.
Thank you
john3048
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Hi Mitch,
are you still involved with the Munster Fusiliers history?
My Gt Grandfather, Grandfather and two Gt Uncles served with the Munsters between 1861 and 1922.
I am interested in the Chaplains documents you have for 1914-1918 for 2nd Munsters.
My grandfather, 8482 Francis James Taylor, who joined in 1906, was in the 2nd and may have been at the rearguard action near Mons. He then went to the 6th Munsters.
I am searching for any relevant resaerch data on his service.
Hope you can throw some light on it.
Paul
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Hi Mitch
My Grandfather served in the Royal Munster Fusiliers in 1914 in France and his name was Sergeant Thomas Hyde DCM, MM. I would be grateful if you knew anything about him could you please let me know.
Thank you
john3048
Thomas Hyde
"at 6.30am on the 28th (December 1917) the Battalion moved to Dublin Corner and at 10am a report was received from Serg Hyde in charge if No 13 Platoon that he had rushed an enemy party and taken 1 officer and 11 other ranks prisoners and these he sent back with an escort of 1 soldier, he then repulsed a counter-attack and withdrew bringing in him with his 2 wounded"
extract from History of the Royal Munster Fusiliers 1861 - 1922
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Hi, I have been desperately trying to find out about my great grandfather, from Dublin who joined RMF in Limerick possibly when he was 14. I know that he was a seargent by 1917 but do not know his number. His name is quite a common one Thomas Murphy, he was also a bandsman. He received a pension for a number of years after the war.
Apart from going to research in Kew, are there any research facilities in Limerick. I am mum to 4 small children and my research offline and away from home is limited.
Where can I get my hands on book quoted "history of RMF ..."?
Any help in the right direction would be fantastic. Thank you.
Clara
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History of the Royal Munster Fusiliers Naval & Military Press 184734982X can be brought via Amazon - but is not cheap - presently £26.60
However, provides a detailed account of where its various battalions were throughout the war - lists all gallantry medal recipients and fatalities - while my grandfather survived, by comparing his service record and injuries I could work out where he was at various times during the conflict
The two Thomas Murphys listed on the national archive website in the Munsters don't seem to match the details you provide
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I looked him up on nat archives and found 10 Thomas Murphy's on medal cards. Only one was listed as a seargent. They have reg no's. Where could I go next to see if any of these are my ggrandfather?
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Hi Mitch
Just noticed your posting on the Topic Summary. My husbands uncle served with the RMF, his name was John Cripps, he was killed in 1916, no grave, but his name is on the Thiepval memorial. We do not have any medals, I'm afraid, but somewhere we have a book with his poetry written at the front which was published. You're welcome to a copy.
All the best with your PhD Lex
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clarah
I see the medal records but there are no corresponding service or pension records listed that match - sorry can't suggest where you go next
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clarah
It appears that the only MIC is for Thomas Murphy 3974 RMF, which you have found. All you can really say is that is a better than evens chance, with the info you havve, that this is him. A Medal Card could be missing or misfiled for example, or peraps he was a Corporal, but made oiur he was a sergent, or was a temp sergeasnt, and that is not on MIC.
This is the index card for the actual medal roll. which should give you a few more details like the battalion he was in.
You can get that by wending your way online through the Nat Arc (Kew) site - their navigation is criminally bad, but if yo go to their shop and find where you can get a quote online, for under 10€ you can get the medal roll entry with the details you have.
You then want to either go to Amazon.com or Abe books or you local library and get a book on whatever battalion f the Munsters he was in, to see where he served.
Also if you are lucky you can get to download a batch of War Diaries. That you find on the online section of Nat Arch. I got a years worth of R Dublin Fusiliers (with 4 other regts I was not interested in) for £3.50 online
The war diaries give a day by day account of the battalion's movements
I can see from medal card that 3974 entered France on 17 Dec 1915, which may give a clue to which battalion he was in, but medal roll should confirm. Also it shows him discharged class Z, look that up on Long,Long, Trail to get exact definition.
Anyway if it is 3974 you have enough to follow his movements.
The battalion history should include the band.
And finally the Great War Forum (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/)which is worth posting on as there are some there that may be able to help yo more than I can
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A bit of background information on why the 2nd Bn RMF was chosen as the original topic for this thread.
http://ww1talk.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=234
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hi my granfather henry harrington was born 1899. in the copy of the 1911 census of ireland i have he was 12 years old that year. he joined the royal munster fusiliers pre war and entered the theater on the 13-8-14. i have a picture postcard of him in his uniform his pay book a cloth embroidered post card he sent and the best of the lot the letter his parents sent the british army looking for the return of their child.
his medal card gives his reg no. as 9811.
in 1918 he transfered to the army supply corp and his reg number is emt 63819. any idea what emt ment, and what else can i find out about this man/boy.
Is there any information or help you can give me, it would be greatfully aprreciated
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Hi Mitch
I am a new member and have noticed your posting about WW1. My grandfather was John Halloran born 1886 in Cork City. He joined the Royal Munster Fusiliers 2nd battalion and was based at Maplaquet Barracks at Aldershot. He was killed on 27 August 1914 at Etreux in France. I'm afraid I don't have any medals or papers of his to interest you but will expand on the attached info if it is of any use to you.
Lenasheff
Interested in your post.My great granfather was Denis Halloran..He was killed in 1916 in france,was born in cork, I do believe john halloran was his brother...
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DENIS HALLORAN
NO.7434
RANK.PRIVATE
2ND BATTALION ROYAL MUNSTER FUSILIERS
BORN,Ss.PETER AND PAUL'S PARISH CORK CITY AND RESIDED IN CORK
KILLED IN ACTION ON THE WESTERN FRONT,9 SEPTEMBER 1916
BURIED IN OVILLERS MILITARY CEMETERY ,SOMME, FRANCE
GRAVE REFERENCE;XIV.L,10
JOHN HALLORAN
NO.7470
RANK,PRIVATE
2ND BATTALION ROYAL MUNSTER FUSILIERS
BORN,Ss.PETER AND PAUL'S PARISH CORK CITY AND RESIDED IN CORK
SON OF DENIS AND MARY HALLORAN (NEE GALVIN);HUSBAND OF MARGARET O'SULLIVAN (FORMERLY HALLORAN) OF 1 CLARKES BRIDGE,CORK CITY
ENLISTED IN CORK
KILLED IN ACTION ON THE WESTERN FRONT ON THE 27TH OF AUGUST 1914 AGE 28
BURIED IN ETREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY,FRANCE
GRAVE REFERENCE;48
Since the two army numbers are very close it would suggest both these men enlisted more or less at the same time,going by John Halloran's date of date would of meant he was in the army prior to the outbreak of the Great War.
Hope this is of some use to you
Brendan
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DENIS HALLORAN
NO.7434
RANK.PRIVATE
2ND BATTALION ROYAL MUNSTER FUSILIERS
BORN,Ss.PETER AND PAUL'S PARISH CORK CITY AND RESIDED IN CORK
KILLED IN ACTION ON THE WESTERN FRONT,9 SEPTEMBER 1916
BURIED IN OVILLERS MILITARY CEMETERY ,SOMME, FRANCE
GRAVE REFERENCE;XIV.L,10
JOHN HALLORAN
NO.7470
RANK,PRIVATE
2ND BATTALION ROYAL MUNSTER FUSILIERS
BORN,Ss.PETER AND PAUL'S PARISH CORK CITY AND RESIDED IN CORK
SON OF DENIS AND MARY HALLORAN (NEE GALVIN);HUSBAND OF MARGARET O'SULLIVAN (FORMERLY HALLORAN) OF 1 CLARKES BRIDGE,CORK CITY
ENLISTED IN CORK
KILLED IN ACTION ON THE WESTERN FRONT ON THE 27TH OF AUGUST 1914 AGE 28
BURIED IN ETREUX COMMUNAL CEMETERY,FRANCE
GRAVE REFERENCE;48
Since the two army numbers are very close it would suggest both these men enlisted more or less at the same time,going by John Halloran's date of date would of meant he was in the army prior to the outbreak of the Great War.
Hope this is of some use to you
Brendan
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thanks brenden.how do i get information about denis hallorans army service.i do no where he died but i dont no any more than that.is it possible to get it on line.jimmy.
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Hi Jimmy,I would recommend you post his details on the Great War Forum here http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/ and ask for help under the soldier section,the lads there are most helpful and should be able to find something on Denis.Also have a look at this site if you wish to go looking for details yourself,it will point people in the right direction as to where to look http://www.1914-1918.net/ .There is much information to be found such as medal cards,war diaries,unit histories,medical reports,pension records(if survived),newspaper entries ect ect.
Brendan
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Hi Mitch,are you still doing research on 2nd.Batt.Royal Munster Fusiliers.I put a posting on here some time ago about my grandfather Jeremiah O'Sullivan but I have since found out that he actually went under the name of James in the army.I have his obituary from the Kerryman newspaper also copies of other letters refering to him.I haVE AN embroidery postcard from him sent from the front and a faded army postcard of his battalion.His obituary states that he was shot by a sniper whilst bandaging a wounded officer.He was wounded twice at the battles of The Somme and Le Basses.It would be great to find out anything else about his part in the war.
JAMES O'SULLIVAN 4767 R.M.F. KILLED IN ACTION IN FRANCE
4TH OCTOBER 1918.
REGARDS TERESA.
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Hello Mitch
I have just joined roots chat and immediately latched onto your note re the 2nd Bn RMF.
My maternal grandfather Sergent Joseph Bent Hedley (alsoHeadley) was a professional soldier, reg no 8959 in the 2nd Bn.
He was posted to France and was killed in action aged 26 on the 21st December 1914 with no known grave and recorded as such on the Le Touret Memorial.
My mother was born in 1912 so she never had any memories of her father and although I remember a photograph of him in uniform hanging on my Grans wall in the 1950s, this has not survived and it would be great if there existed any such item in the RMF archives.
Can you help? and also explain why a man from Sunderland in the NorthEast of England should join an Irish Regiment when to my knowledge there are no close Irish connection in the family at that period.
Eric
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Eric
With that service no. he enlisted around Jan or Feb 1909
You can get a good idea of what he was going through between landing in France and his death if you read the battalion war diaries. 2nd Munster, I don't think is online, but the originals can be read in Nat Archives in Kew
Alternatively post http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/ The Great War forum, and someone may have that date.
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Hi, looking for info on my ggranduncle Serjeant Andrew O'Donoghue 5459 2nd RMF killed 9th May 1915 buried at Cabaret Rouge. also on Michael Raftery (probably mis-transcribed Rafferty) From Castlerea Co Roscommon Wounded at Gallipoli but served with Munsters in France 1916 until end of war no other details sorry also served in Egypt at some stage and believe he was with Munsters until disbandment.
thanks john
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Mitch - are you still reading this? I've followed with interest anything to do with 2RMF for some years. My great Unlcle, Lance Serjent Patrick O'Keeffe (no 1052) was in the regiment from Nov 1915 until he died (missing presumed dead) on Mar 22 1918. He was 36 when he died. My guess is that he was killed on the 21st, the first day of the German Spring offensive but due to the pasting that the batallion took on that day he was probably only reported as missing the following day. It's proven almost impossible to find any more about him other than he enlisted in Liverpool. Thia is strange enough as he was a Cork man. His records were destroyed and the medal rolls show only that he was awarded the 1914-15 service medal. I've tried unsucessfully to try and pin down his company all to no avail. No one in the family kmows much about him but there's a story that he received a battlefield promotion or commendation for some act of bravery - sounds a bit preposterous to me! His sister apparently worked for the Aga Khan in Paris during the war and tried to get him to use his influence to get Patrick out of the front lines! Any pointers you can give to help greatly appreciated!
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Hi guys, hopefully people are still reading this thread.
I know it was set up to gather information about the 2ndbat royal mun fus but i was wondering if anyone had any info on the 1st bat royal mun fus?
I recently came across medals belonging to a relative who served with this battallion but have found it very difficult to trace anything about him. I can't find any listing of him having served/lived/died My family have told me that he and his brother died during ww1. The medals are the 14-15 star, british war medal & victory medal, the info on the medals. On the british war medal & victory medal the info is given as 7434 PTE. M. Enlgand (michael) r. mun. fus. while on the 14-15 cross the info is 7434 L.CPL M.england , I have no medals or actual records for his brother thomas england, there is no reference to his battalion but the reason i believe he was in 1st battallion is his 4th medal.
He also had an Indian general service medal , 1908 north western frontier on the clasp this medal after number,rank,name has "1st r mun fus" and from what ive seen online the 1st battalion r mun fus were involved in the Zakha Khel Expedition (1908) although there doesn't seem to be very much info on this expedition only that it was againest northwestern tribes in india, possibly in the afghanistan region, any info that could shed some light i would be very gratefull.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat
You are a bit silly adding this sort of request to a general 2nd Battalion Munster thread, as it will just get buried. You would be best off starting a new thread om the man you want info on.
He appears to have moved on to Dublin Fusiliers as 40298
He landed in the Balkans 25 April 1915
Transferred to the Reserves 31 Mar 1919
And his pension records survive and are available on Ancestry.
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Hi Mitch.Only just found your query on this site.I am currently doing some research on my Gran Uncle.His name was Eugene Mehegan and he joined the Royal Munster Fusiliers on 21st February 1900;regimental number 6445.Eugene was sent to South Africa 8th -6-1900 and spent two years there.He was then posted to India,23rd -9-1902 to the 10-1-1908.He then arrived home and was posted to the reserve from 21st -2-1908 to the 20th-2-1912.
Eugene was mobilised again on the 5th of August,1914 at Tralee Depot and sent to France.He was attached to the 2nd Battalion,Royal Munster Fusiliers.I have found out that he was taken POW on the 27th of August,1914.
My research is still ongoing but Eugene survived the war and died in Cork City on the 19th of August 1937.I am aware that it is notoriously hard to to find out any information on POW's during WW1,I still have a lot of gaps to fill in,but in a nut shell those are the main points.Hope you find Eugene's story interesting.Good luck with your research.Declan.
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Hi Mitch
just browsing any information on the Royal Munster Fusiliers.
Do you have any information on Pte. Eugene Daly, reg No. 4364 and 35341. I think he served with the 2nd Batt. He was in WW1 and survived, however received various "gunshot wounds" ( from an extract of an old medical report, looks like it was carried out in Egypt after the war)
i have a copy of an old medal card, however no other information
regards
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Hi Jack,
With his service number being 4364 for the 2nd Battalion would show that he most likely enlisted sometime around the end of June and the start of July 1893,his medal card does confirm that he was a pre war regular and first served in a theatre of war on the 31st of August 1914.The battalion left Aldershot and landed in Le Harve on the 14th of that month going on to take part in the battle of Mons.He was awarded the 1914 Star with clasp and roses and the British War and Victory medals and from his MIC shows he reenlisted into the army on the 24th of April 1919,sadly it seems that his service record is not on Ancestry however if he did go on to serve after 1920 a record should still exist with the Ministry of Defence in England and as far as I know can be obtained from proven next of kin.
Brendan
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To Brendan
Many thanks, is the Ministry of Defense you refer to at Kew ?
Jack
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Hi Jack, no the Ministry of Defence is a government body which deal with the military and hold all military records from 1920 onwards,once released these records will then be available at Kew which is the National Archives.You can find the info you need here http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/AboutDefence/WhatWeDo/Personnel/ServiceRecords/MakingARequestForInformationHeldOnThePersonnelRecordsOfDeceasedServicePersonnel.htm
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Hi, looking for info on my ggranduncle Serjeant Andrew O'Donoghue 5459 2nd RMF killed 9th May 1915 buried at Cabaret Rouge. also on Michael Raftery (probably mis-transcribed Rafferty) From Castlerea Co Roscommon Wounded at Gallipoli but served with Munsters in France 1916 until end of war no other details sorry also served in Egypt at some stage and believe he was with Munsters until disbandment.
thanks john
Was this Michael Raftery in the Connaught Rangers prior to the RMF?
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Not sure of that but he was from Roscommon so perhaps he enlisted there? Any help would be welcomed thanks!
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There is only one Michael Raftery matching service to the Munsters seeing action in the Balkans.His service number was 361 attached to the 7th Battalion who was then transferred at some stage to the Connaught Rangers with his number changing to 18321.This soldier saw action from the 5th of August 1915 and was transferred to Class Z Reserve on the 29th of January 1919,He was awarded the 1914/15 Star,War and Victory medal trio.No further service info available on this one I'm afraid.
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Hi Brenden(arnhem440
Wonder if you could give any advice, I have got the service record for a great great granddad, Joseph Conway. he was in the 86th foot, service number 1172, enlisted on 3rd July 1869, he was discharged 18/03/1893. From the record he spent quite a few years in India( 2 tours, Sept 1875-May 1884 and Sept 88-Feb 93) as well as capes??(May 1870-March 1875). there are other notes for "Home" and " HMS ???", however on the military history sheet, it just has a tick in the part for medals/decorations. Is ther any way to find out what he was awarded for his 20+years of service. There is also reference to transferring to the SWB
Hope you do not mind the e mail
regards
Jack
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Hi again Jack,a bit before my normal research but I'll try and break it down a little if I can.Now I may be wrong with some info but I'm sure others will correct me.He enlisted into the 86th (Royal County Down) regiment of foot,these were amalgamated with the 83rd (County of Dublin) regiment of foot in 1881 to form the Royal Irish Rifles who spent along time in India.Now you don't mention what battalion he was with but the 86th formed the 2nd battalion RIR so that's that part. As a guess Capes refers to South Africa so most likely he spent time in both places.Home would of stood for time back in the UK which would of included the Republic of Ireland at that time,HMS may of been a naval base,all naval bases were named like ships which is often confusing to people researching relatives,so it may of been that he was invalided home to a base hospital due to sickness or was simply home for a spell while another battalion were sent out in place of the one Joseph Conway served with.As for medals,it's quite possible he may of got none,no medals would of been issued unless he was actively involved in fighting while he served there,some periods saw no fighting and the soldiers were simply doing garrison duties.As for long service and good conduct medals,again he may not of been issued with any depending on his behaviour but this is just specultive,you could try looking at the Uk medal roll on Ancestry for medals or awards but this would require full memebership to do so which I don't have.The SWB has me stumped to be honest.I'll have a look on Ancestry and see if there is anything else there and will post up anything I find tomorrow.
Regards
Brendan
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There is only one Michael Raftery matching service to the Munsters seeing action in the Balkans.His service number was 361 attached to the 7th Battalion who was then transferred at some stage to the Connaught Rangers with his number changing to 18321.This soldier saw action from the 5th of August 1915 and was transferred to Class Z Reserve on the 29th of January 1919,He was awarded the 1914/15 Star,War and Victory medal trio.No further service info available on this one I'm afraid.
Hi arnhem44,
am i right in assuming that Michael Raftery was with the 7th Batt. RMF first and not the other way round. and that there are no attestation papers available.
many thanks
john
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Hi John,yes that's right.The medal card lists the regiment that the soldier landed overseas with first at the top and any subsequent regiment there after follows.Also a soldier may of been with a previous regiment before going overseas and this will not appear on the MIC only on service and pension records,sadly it appears there is none for Michael Raftery.The medal index card for Michael Raftery serving with the 7th battalion is the nearest match based on the Munster connection.MIC's were not destroyed like the service records so they should be complete.This Michael Raftery most likely went on and served in France after Gallipoli before transferring to the Connaught's.Checking the medal rolls based on the page numbers listed on the MIC would confirm which battalion he served with with the Connaught Rangers enabling a person to find out what battles the soldier fought in,to go further one could look for battalion diaries to really build a bigger picture.
Regards
Brendan
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hi Brendan,
thats very interesting, as I have him married in Cork in 1916 presumably back from Gallipoli,
and i know he was in France at the somme next, any idea where the battallion diaries for the Connaught rangers could be found
thanks
john
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Hi John,if your confident that this is the man your looking for then I would suggest you check the medal rolls first to find out which battalion he served with,each battalion would of had it's own diary.The National Archives in the UK would be the place to start http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/war-diaries.asp and then you could try the Great War Forum under unit diaries,members there have many of the diaries in question and are willing to do look ups or pass on the info http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145000&st=0 .Hopefully they may be of some interest to you.
At Jack,hi again.I haven't been able to find anything further due to lack of time,can you tell me where you got that record from?
Regards
Brendan
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Looks like it came from findmypast.co.uk
his army no was 1605, not 1172
The SWB is over 1172 on front of form, could this be South Wales Borders?
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Sorry Jack ,I haven't been able to find anything further.The SWB could indeed be the South Wales Borders if it is characterised this way with the number.A place where you may find help would be here in the Victorian Wars forum http://www.victorianwars.com/index.php
Regards
Brendan
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Thanks Brendan, appreciate your work, I would have attached the front page of the service record for interest, but the file is over 500k, will not attach
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Hi John,if your confident that this is the man your looking for then I would suggest you check the medal rolls first to find out which battalion he served with,each battalion would of had it's own diary.The National Archives in the UK would be the place to start http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/war-diaries.asp and then you could try the Great War Forum under unit diaries,members there have many of the diaries in question and are willing to do look ups or pass on the info http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=145000&st=0 .Hopefully they may be of some interest to you.
At Jack,hi again.I haven't been able to find anything further due to lack of time,can you tell me where you got that record from?
Regards
Brendan
brendan thanks for that info, just one further question if you can 2nd munsters at Rue de bois 9th may 1915 where would I find info? as in previous post Serjeant 5459 Andy o'donoghue died there and would have led a company out of trenches and also was MID twice I believe but can only find name in gazette 1 jan 1916.
john
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Hi John,the Gazette can be very frustrating at times to find anything.If a mention is known to be in there then someone should persevere with it and will get there in the end.I had a quick look and did see the mention for 1916 but nothing else.The M.I.D was a delayed notification if you like in that the mention would only be published when a commander in chief of a theatre of war would submit a dispatch of events to the war office and in that dispatch would be the names of people who were nominated to be named for special mention.Each dispatch could be many months old before being published and a previous dispatch to the war office could be many months older again before that so there was often large gaps in notification.Taking a notification for a military medal for an example,the mention in the Gazette may not appear for up to three months after the award was given.Looking at the Gazette the war office issued that dispatch on the 30th of November 1915,Andy died in May so there is seven and a half months since his death before that dispatch was sent.If he was mentioned a second time it means it's to be found before his his death and possibly on the New Years list of 1915 maybe so might be worth looking there for it.As for the info on the Munsters for that date then again it's the war diary for the 2nd Munsters you need which will give a detailed report on the days events,nine times out of ten you won't find a mention of other rank soldiers names in it but would give a clearer picture of what happened that day,each diary varies with the amount of content but the 2nd Munsters are well documented.Here is an online book giving some details of that day,I hope this link works.
Best regards
Brendan
http://www.archive.org/stream/storyofmunstersa00rick#page/32/mode/2up
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Hi Mitch
I'm trying to gather my fathers service history for ww1. He was born in 1901 in Claire and lied about his age when he enlisted in 1914, joining the "Redmond's Brigade" as he told it. His Serial Number was 10717 and spent his 15th birthday on the Somme near Longueville. He was wounded in the right leg by a German "coal-box" bomb and evacuated to blighty. I do not know what Battalion he was in at this time.
I do know that by 1917, he had transferred to his father's old Regiment, and was a sergeant serving in D Company, 2nd Battalion Royal Munster Fusiliers. He said that about this time he joined a draft to Egypt, where he served until 1922. He was a sergeant, possibly sergeant major, when the Irish Free State "claimed their sons back from the British Army". Sounds romantic I guess, but it is all I have to go on...but don't know where to go from here.
Can you help me please?
I do have a number of locations in Egypt and the Sudan, where he was stationed if you are interested.
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Hello John,
Tommy Hyde and his son Dave here. We hope you are keeping well!
We're wondering if you were able to find out anything about Grandad Tom? We have some of his medals (campaign medals only), his bronze medallion, a photograph of him receiving a medal, a photograph of his gravestone and a copy of one of his citations and are interested to know if you have anything else. Our plan is to create a display box with the items that we have, and it would just be nice to know if some of his other awards/belongings are safe with you or another member of the family. On a recent trip to the UK we enquired at a military memorabilia shop about getting replica copies of the DCM and MM but were told that they would be 600 - 800 pounds each!
Tom and Janet are in Canada at the moment visiting with Dave's family but will be back home this coming Friday (January 25th) and would love to catch up with you.
Hoping to hear from you soon, best wishes,
Tom & Dave Hyde
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Hello there, I'm looking for information about a soldier called James Henry McGuinness born in St Catherine's Parish in Dublin in 1874. His service number was 2050 and he died 4 October 1918 in France.
What intrigues me is that given his age at death 44 I imagine he was already a professional soldier before the First War. Would any one know when he might have joined up given his number?
The second puzzle for me is that when reading about the activities of the 2nd Battalion Munsters it would seem he was sent to the Balkans on a date that corresponds with the sending of the 6th Reserve Battalion.
Could it be that he had finished his official service and had been called up from the reserves?
On the Irish Memorial they mixed up his name and called him John instead of James. I don't think his second name Henry always appeared on official papers.
Any info on him would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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My great grandfather served with 2nd Royal Munster Fusiliers, and died with them 24/8/1916. He is buried at caterpillar valley cemetery, longueval. His name is Pte William Hall service number 3/5823.
I have cemetry info from Cwgc web site, but don't seem to be able to find info on what battle they were involved with on the date of his death. Also this might seem strange but the nature of his death, is also not easy to find (ie gas, mortar, shot).
Any help would be gratefully appreciated, as I just don't seem to be getting anywhere.
Many thxs