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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: RosemH on Friday 17 October 08 14:47 BST (UK)
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I'm new to this and it's my first post - so hope I'm doing it right!
I saw a topic about Collinses of Chirk and noticed that someone called Gadget had lots of info and a very interesting website including the Parrishes, which is the line I'm looking for.
I wondered (perphaps I'm being cheeky but here goes) whether Gadget had any further info about the Parrish line headed up by William and Mary - names and dates of their children is what I'm looking for in particular.
Any help will be gratefully appreciated!
RosemH
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hi
welcome to rootschat :D
i've got masses. they're my ancestors. will give details shortly when i get my files up.
gadget
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Hi again
Sorry about that. I was on the phone and had to type one handed ::)
Here are the children that I have:
Children of William Parrish and Mary Hughes:
Thomas b. 22 June 1790 - 1860 (m. Ann Jones) - my line
Mary b. 25 June 1793 - died before 1795
Mary b. 19 Jan 1795 (m. Thomas Collins)
Elizabeth b. 21 Nov 1796-1802
James b. 7 May 1798 - <1841
all b. Chirk
Note - they seemed to vary their surname between Parrish and Parish
Gadget
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Thank you for that. Do you know where John Parrish belongs (he married Ann Mary Jones in 1814, witnesses included Thomas Collins and Mary Parrish)?
John was my GGGG grandfather (if I've counted right!).
I had found John's marriage record in Parish Registers, and also the baptism of his daughter Pamela (my GGG grandmother), but couldn't seem to find much else!
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Hi again :)
I think he was the son of one of William's brothers - I'll have to check up on my records again and get back to you.
Gadget
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Hi Rose
What I have in my notes about the three brothers:
William m. Mary Hughes 20 Sept 1789, Chirk (my 4 x grt grandparents)
Children:
(dates as previous message)
Thomas
Mary
Mary
Elizabeth
James
John m Ann Jones 18 Aug 1793, Chirk
Children:
Mary 30 Oct 1794
Sarah 29 Nov 1796
John 5 April 1799 (m. Elizabeth Roberts in 1824)
Thomas m Anne Hughes 17 Jan 1795, Chirk
(no children recorded for them)
Gadget
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My notes show that your Mary Jones was 'of the parish of Whittington' when she married John in 1814 (with consent of parents). I also have a note to say 'check St Martins records'. This, as you probably know, is the parish to the south of Chirk and to the north of Whittington.
When and where was Pamela born?
Gadget
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Hi again Rose
The Chirk records have the following baptisms of children of John and mary:
24 Dec 1815, Eliza d/o John (collier) and Mary. Living at the Wharfe
11 October 1818, Pamel d/o John(collier) and Mary. Living in Chirk village.
Most of the Parishes lived in the Black Park/Halton area of Chirk, so your family are unusual in this respect.
There are no other bpts in the Chirk records for this couple - either they moved away or John or Mary died or they converted to Methodism as many of the Parishes did at around this time.
I don't see John and Mary on the 1841 census in Chirk. John and Elizabeth, who I mentioned earlier, are there. There is an outside chance that this is the same John (and maybe married Elizabeth Roberts as a second marriage) but he would have only been 15 when he married Mary if this was the case.
Do you have Pamela on any of the censuses?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget, thank you for all your useful stuff.
Sorry I'm so bad at getting back - I only manage to go on the computer now and then so I'm a bit hit and miss!
It's all very odd then - my John Parrish doesn't seem to be the son of any of the three brothers. Wonder whose he was? As you say, it seems doubtful he would have married Mary at age 15 to make Elizabeth a second wife, but I suppose stranger things have happened.
You have the right Pamela - she was born in Chirk (and states that on censuses after 1841), but in1841 she was married to my ancestor, George Edwards, and was living in Bagillt. Interestingly, next door to them on the census is one James Parish and wife Ann, aged 30 (1841 census so no place of birth given). A cursory glance at the 1841 census doesn't seem to show a John and Mary Parrish in Bagillt however.
Pamela married George Edwards in 1839, and she died in 1858 in Bagillt.
So old John's a bit of a mystery man then!
RosemH
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I'll keep ferreting around, Rose, but I'm trying to catch up with other demands on my time ::)
I have a large folder and a ring-binder folder with masses of notes on the Parishes. I haven't looked at them for at least 5 years, so there might well be things in there that might through some light on things.
Given that Elizabeth was one of the witnesses at the wedding, I'm sure that there must be some kind of kinship. And do I recall that John was a witness at on e of the other marriages :-\
The James and Ann look interesting - worth following them up on the 1851.
I'll get back to you as soon as I find anything more.
Gadget
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Thank you Gadget. Sorry to be so long getting back - haven't had chance until now - but any pointers to John Parrish's parentage that you can find in your folder will be much appreciated. Did you find all your info from Parish Registers? If so I will be very impressed - by the time I got back to around the birth date of John I couldn't read them!
RosemH
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Hello I'm researching the Parrishes for a family history on John Prescott and would be interested in making contact as Coming Home will be featuring his Welsh family and I'm trying to contact people who know of the family or have stories about them. Once the programmes made I'll be free to share any information I have too.
Thank You and Kind Regards
Gill Smith
Ruthin
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Hi Gill
I've got all the info already. There's some on one of my trees on my website :)
Gadget
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This may be of some relevance
My gt-gt-gt-grandfather Thomas EDWARDS, a farmer from Llanforda, near Oswestry, married Elizabeth LLOYD from Chirk in 1830. The Lloyds were wealthy Denbighshire landowners who also had significant holdings in Llanforda.
On the 1841 census entry for Llanforda, Phoebe PARRISH is listed as a domestic servant at the Edwards farm. She is 45, the same age as Elizabeth, so it could be that she is from the Chirk Parrish clan
cheers
Nudge
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Hi
I'm hoping someone here might be able to help me
I have traced my Parrish branch back to 1803/5 when William parrish was born in Wombridge Shropshire and then hit what I think is an insurmountable problem.
Williams records show his parents as Thomas Parish and Ann... Without a surname I really feel I'm stumped. Ive seen the original entry at Shrewsbury Records Office and it also just says Ann
I've looked around the area/time I think Thomas and Ann may have been married and come up with
1 . Thomas and Ann Howell m Shrewsbury 1794 (this only has one 'r' on pallots marriage on ancestry
2. Thomas and Ann HADLEY 1 11. 1790 Halesowen Worcester. 1 'r' on igi
3. Thomas and Ann HUGHES 17.1.1795 Chirk
This Thomas was b 1773 and has 2 'r' on the igi
I can't find any siblings for my William at all over several years with parents Thomas and Ann
It's really frustrating to think I can't trace any further😡
Thanks
Diane Parrish
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Hi
I wouldn't worry about the spelling - Par(r)ish seems to have been spelled in both ways by the same people/parish clerks!
My Thomas Par(r)ish and Ann Jones married in Chirk in 1815. This Thomas was born in 1790, Chirk and he was the son of William Par(r)ish (b. Madeley) and Mary Hughes (married Chirk in 1789).
I think that the Thomas Parrish who married Ann Hughes in Chirk , was William's brother - both born Madeley. I'd have to check my records which are in store in Scotland.
It would seem that your line is one of the others.
Regards
Gadget