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I have made a detailed study of the parish of Magilligan for the early modern period, [1600-1800]. In the period before civil registration the spelling of surnames was not standardised and there are often variations for a number of reasons: The names in these documents were entered by various officials who may have spelt the name phonetically in a way that made sense to them. The spellings of some surnames in the documents such as hearth rolls or Flax Lists are completely different from their modern equivalents. For example, the surname Brewster was rendered as Broster or Browster in most of the documentation for Magilligan.
And I have also noted the surname POLLOCK as POAGE, POAKE, POCK, POCKE, POGE, POKE, POLKE, POOK, and POOKE in various census substitutes in the period 1600-1800.
Magilligan surnames 1600-1800:
Abullon, Adams, Aken, Akin, All, Allen, Allin, Allison, Anderson, Armstrong, Aul, Aull, Bacon, Baird, Bailie, Barbour, Barnaby, Baxter, Beard, Begley, Bennett, Beresford, Berriman, Berrisford, Bigon, Blair, Black, Boyland, Brazier, Bresland, Brown, Broster, Browster, Bruce, Buchanan, Bullion, Butcher, Butler, Caldwell, Calhoun, Calwell, Callwell, Caldwell, Calhoun, Campbell, Canning, Canon, Cannon, Cargill, Carson, Carswell, Caruthers, Cassidy, Catherwood, Charleton, Church, Clarke, Clerk, Clinton, Clyde, Cochran, Coile, Colgan, Cook, Cooke, Coningham, Conn, Connell, Conner, Connor, Conyngham, Cowan, Coyle, Cox, Craig, Cramsay, Cramsey, Crampsay, Crawford, Cravens, Cree, Crisswell, Crocht, Crow, Cumming, Cunningham, Curry, Cushaglenn, Cust, Daniel, Darcie, Davis, Dealk, Deanes, Deeny, Deighan, Delap, Dennis, Diarmond, Dicky, Dirmond, Diver, Dogherty, Dohardy, Doherty, Donnelly, Doogan, Dougan, Dougherty, Dover, Drennen, Drummond, Dunlap, Dunn, Dyermond, Eaton, Ennis, Erwin, Farson, Fleming, Flimen, Flyming, Fowler, Fry, Fulton, Gage, Galt, Gallaughan, Gamble, Gibson, Gifford, Gill, Gillan, Gillen, Gilland, Glen, Glenn, Glendening, Goggins, Gorges, Graham, Granaghan, Green, Greg, Grigg, Haines, Hall, Hamilton, Hamson, Hampson, Hanna, Hassett, Hasson, Havlan, Haynes, Hayney, Hemphill, Henry, Hiland, Hill, Holly, Holms, Hopkins, Horner, Houston, Howard, Hully, Hutton, Innes, Irwin, Jack, Johnson, Kane, Kean, Kelly, Kelsoe, Kemkin, Kilmary, Killcriest, Kilmerry, King, Knox, Lane, Lawrence, Leake, Leathes, Leather, Leck, Lecky, Lee, Leek, Lenox, Lin, Lingard, Linton, Lochrey, Lochry, Loghlan, Long, Lurting, Lynch, Lyon, Lynton, Macknamara, Mackivor, Makrakan, Macrea, Madie, Magee, Magilligan, Magomery, Mainson, Major, Marshall, Martin, Maxwell, McAllman, McArthur, McAtire, McCain, McCallion, McCarter, McCausland, McClary, McClay, McClean, McClelland, McClernan, McClery, McCloskey, McColgan, McCome, McConel, McConncy, McCoy, McCormick, McCrakan, McCrackin, McCray, McCummins, McCune, McCurdy, McDermot, McDougal, McFeely, McFiely, McGeehan, McGivigan, McGranachan, McGrannahan, McGrorty, McGuggin, McGuy, McIntyre, McKane, McKeag, McKinny, McKinzy, McKnogher, McLaughlin, McMains, McMechael, McMullen, McMunity, McNeill, McPherson, McPoil, McSanic, McWilliam, Meacon, Mellon, Michaell, Michel, Mikle, Miller, Miskemin, Miskimmin, Mitchel, Monteeth, Moody, Moore, Moorehead, Mudie, Mulholland, Mullon, Murghland Muskimmin, Neille, Nelly, Nicholas, Nicholson, Nivenson, Nivins, O’Bonon, O’Brien, O’Byrne, O’Caen, O’Carran, O’Cathan, O’Doghertie, O’Dogherty, O’Gallogher, O’Hampson, O’Linn, Oliver, O’Lotharge, O’Lyne, O’Mullan, O’Sheale, Osborne, Park, Pattin, Pane, Payne, Pherson, Phillips, Plain, Pocock, Pogue, Priestly, Quig, Quigley, Quin, Ray, Read, Rey, Reynolds, Ridgate, Robb, Robinson, Rodger, Roger, Ross, Rowley, Rowth, Ruth, Scott, Shale, Shanon, Shearer, Sherer, Sherrard, Shiel, Shipboy, Short, Sinclair, Singard, Sinniard, Small, Smith, Snell, Span, Steevenson, Stewart, Stirling, Stoop, Stunkard, Sumers, Sweeny, Syniard, Tate, Taylor, Thompson, Thornton, Thorp, Till, Tittle, Tomlinson, Townsend, Tyler, Umry, Wallace, Wat, Ward, Warden, Wark, Webster, White, Whyte, Williams, Williamson, Wilson, Woods, Woodsyd, Work, Wray.
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An impressive list. In the course of your research have you come across any information on the Moodys of Gortmore Hall, Magilligan
Regards
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There were Moodys (Mudie) registered in Magilligan as early as 1700 (Alexander) and
1706 (Edward) and two in the 1740 Protestant householders' survey in Scotch Town but I have not found any direct evidence of Moodys in Gortmore, 1600-1800.
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Many thanks for your reply. The earliest I have is Abraham James Hopkins Moody who was born in 1809 in Magilligan, parents John Moody and Mary Hopkins of Bolea. A brother of Abraham, born 1826, was stated to be of Gortmore Hall. The Ordnance survey map shows a Gortmore House but not a Gortmore Hall and having driven along the road from Magilligan Station "up the hill" I cannot remember a large house.
Again, many thanks
Regards
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I take that to be the Abraham James Hopkins Moody who kept a diary (PRONI T2901/4/1) and died Coleraine in 1899.
As the first paragraph of his diary states Abraham Moody was born in 1809 in the townland of Clooney (he spells it Cloney) in the parish of Magilligan or Tamlaghtard. He died in 1899 in No. 11 Church Street, Coleraine (today part of Moore's shopping complex) having been a grocer, provision merchant, etc. in that house and shop from 1853.
His son John James was listed, living in Nursery Road, Coleraine in the 1901 census. Another son, Abraham, was listed in Waterloo Place in Derry/Londonderry with his mother and two sisters.
The full transcript of the diary is available in PRONI [T2901/4/1]. The diary has also been reproduced in The Bann Disc, The journal of the Coleraine Historical Society, Vol. 13, 2007, pp. 51-60.
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Brilliant: next time I am in PRONI I shall have a look at the diary. I believe it discusses brothers who emigrated to the US and Australia. I am also aware of the Bann Disc. I will see if Coleraine Library have copies.
Many Thanks
Regards
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Coleraine Library do have back copies of Bann Disc.
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you may already have this info.
marriage.ABRAHAM JAMES MOODY TO ELIZABETH HOPKINS 10-4-1849 @ LIMAVADY REG.OFFICE DRUMACHOSE,
NEWTOWN LIMAVADY, DERRY/L.DERRY.
births. FEMALE MOODY 5-7-1865. JOSEPHINE FOOT MOODY 2-12-1866 BOTH BORN COLERAINE,L.DERRY
parents. ABRAHAM JAMES HOPKINS MOODY & ELIZABETH HOPKINS
Title:
Forename: Abraham James Hopkins
Surname: Moody
Alt Surname:
Date Of Death: 11/03/1899
Date Of Grant: 20/06/1899
Effects: Effects £322 3s. 4d.
Registry: Londonderry
Full Abstract:
Probate of the Will of Abraham James Hopkins Moody late of Church-street Coleraine County Londonderry Merchant who died 11 March 1899 granted at Londonderry to Elizabeth Moody of Church-street Coleraine Widow.
regards mary.
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Coleraine Chronicle, 23 Sept.1848: At Coleraine, on the 17th inst., Elizabeth, the beloved wife of Mr. Abraham J.H. Moody, merchant, of a lingering illness which she bore with Christian fortitude and resignation.
(1st wife?)
Coleraine Chronicle, 17 Feb.1855: At Church Street, Coleraine, on the 16th instant, Mrs. A.J.H. Moody, of a daughter.
Coleraine Chronicle, 17 Oct.1857: At Coleraine, on Friday, the 9th October, Mrs. A.J.H. Moody. of a son.
Coleraine Chronicle, 25 Dec.1858: At Pine Cottage, Truro, South Australia, Mrs. John Moody. formerly of Magilligan, of a son.
Coleraine Chronicle, 9 Apr.1859: At Duck Pond, Truro, South Australia, on the 8th January last, the wife of H.B. Moody. Esq., late of Magilligan, of a son.
Note: Henry Bruce Moody m.17 Sept.1857 1st Dunboe to Margaret Watson, Freehall.
Coleraine Chronicle, 17 Mar.1860: At Light, South Australia, on the 11th Jan. of English cholera, William A. Moody, Esq., aged 40 years, late of Gortmore House, Magilligan (and brother to Mr. Moody of Coleraine).
Coleraine Chronicle, 17 Nov.1860: At Church Street, Coleraine, on the 11th inst., Mrs. A.J.H. Moody. of a daughter.
Coleraine Chronicle, 2 May 1863: At Church Street, Coleraine, on the 25th ult., the wife of A.J.H. Moody, merchant, of a son.
Coleraine Chronicle, 24 Dec.1864: At Light Brook, South Australia, on the 17th Oct., the wife of Mr. David Moody, of a son.
Coleraine Chronicle, 8 July 1865: At church Street, Coleraine, on the 5th instant, Mrs. A.J.H. Moody, of a daughter.
Coleraine Chronicle, 1 Sept.1866: At Truro, South Australia, the wife of Solomon Moody, Esq., J.P., (formerly of Gortmore House. Magilligan), of a daughter.
Note: Solomon Moody m.1 Apr.1857 Charlotte Toot.
Coleraine Chronicle, 27 Oct.1866: At Light Brook, South Australia, on the 31st July last, the wife of Mr. David Moody, (formerly of Gortmore House, Magilligan), of a daughter.
Coleraine Chronicle, 8 Dec.1866: At Church Street, Coleraine, on the 2nd inst., the wife of A.J.H. Moody, Esq., of a daughter.
Coleraine Chronicle, 13 June 1868: At Church Street, Coleraine, on the 8th inst., the wife of A.J.H. Moody, Esq., of a daughter.
Coleraine Chronicle, 29 May 1869: At Church Street, Coleraine, Annie Adeline, daughter of A.J.H. Moody, Esq., merchant, aged 4 years.
(female born 5-7-1865)
Samuel Butler Moody m.12 Oct.1864 Eleanor Hyde.
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The diary of Abraham Moody is most interesting and Volume 13 of the Bann Dicc gives comprehensive coverage:
Here I include a few of the family details but there is so much more:
30th December 1828
I, Abraham James H Moody was born at Cloney in the parish of Magilligan on the 17th day of August 1809.
By 1828 my family consisted of nine brothers and one sister, three sisters being removed by death and one brother. The last sister died of fever which I remember with regret at the age of 13. (must have been the year 1822 ). After her burial the majority of us took the fever. It was a time of severe trial but we all recovered.
1843
My second brother John took his departure to America and I, now 34, would need to look out for a permanent abode for myself. I took a house in Bridge Street in December 1843 and my marriage is to take place on 2nd January 1844.
1844
I was married to Elizabeth Shannon of Derrybeg on 2nd January 1844, came to Coleraine the next day and proceeded the day following to Belfast to purchase my goods. I opened a shop rented at £20 annually in Bridge Street on the Saturday following and took as my first day's sale on a market day £6. 12. 0. I should remark that I received £50 with my wife.
1848/1849
My dear wife's health had been gradually declining since the birth of Ruth and she departed this earthly scene on 17th September 1848, of consumption.
I was cast again on the world but I was determined to take as my second wife Elizabeth Hopkin cousin to my former wife and on the 10th April 1849 we were married. I bless God that so far it has been a happy union. I received £50 with her as a dowry.
1850/51
My two brothers Henry and Solomon sailed on the ship "Sir Edmund Head" from Liverpool to Australia on 6th June 1850. I received word of their safe arrival 105 days later on 19th February 1851.
In January 1851 the gold mines of Australia were discovered. My brother John left Magilligan for Australia on 17th July 1851. He boarded a boat in Plymouth about the 22nd of the month. He was married about ten days before to Mary Campbell of Benone, who was born in Yorkshire.
On Tuesday 1st November 1853 my brothers Samuel B. and Israel Joseph Moody left Coleraine via Belfast to sail to Liverpool per the Marco Polo for Melbourne. The vessel sailed out of the Mersey on Wednesday 9th November towed by two steamers down the river - booming of cannon and a band on board told of the departure of this far famed ship. She carried 620 passengers, 7025 letters and 2234 newspapers. 26th November 1853 I shipped 8 ploughs to Australia to the care of my brother H. B. Moody of Duckponds(?) Truro, Adelaide. The year 1853 has closed shrouded in a deep layer of snow; no such storm for over 40 years; mails detained for a week; markets very high.
1854
Marco Polo arrives at Port Philip in 74 days and 12 hours; run aground; no lives lost; sailed with 717 souls (crew included) and brought into port 716. 7th December received from Australia a bill of exchange in the amount of £69. 4. 9 for my ploughs. 19th December my dear old father died, aged 81.
1855
On 11th January 1855 I made a will. I thought it prudent to do so in these eventful times when cholera rages
1857
On 12th February Henry Bruce Moody returned from Australia to visit his native land.
On Thursday 20th and 21st August brothers sold out stock, etc. to start to Australia. On 1st April 1857 Solomon Moody was married in South Australia to Charlotte daughter of N. Foot Esq. D.L. J.P. Thursday 17th September H.B. Moody was married to Margaret daughter of John Watson of Freehall; left Magilligan Friday 18th for Australia via Liverpool. William and David left on Monday 21st. 1859
1878
Another dear brother is gone, died at Gaulear(?) on Thursday 14th February 1878, Henry Bruce Moody.
1885
October, my brother John died in Y.P. Australia.
1894
10th July 1894 my dear son Marcus died at Adelaide, Australia.
1899
Abraham James Hopkins Moody died on 11th March 1899 aged 90 years. [Entry by one of his daughters]
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My thanks to all of you. Your replies have been overwhelming.
Best Regards to all
Morrison Stewart
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Many thanks for your reply. The earliest I have is Abraham James Hopkins Moody who was born in 1809 in Magilligan, parents John Moody and Mary Hopkins of Bolea. A brother of Abraham, born 1826, was stated to be of Gortmore Hall. The Ordnance survey map shows a Gortmore House but not a Gortmore Hall and having driven along the road from Magilligan Station "up the hill" I cannot remember a large house.
Again, many thanks
Regards
I have copy of photo taken c1980s of what remained of Gortmore House (Hall as the family called it). Will try to attach here. I have it because Alexander James Hopkins Moody (AJHM) was my gt.gt.grandfather. Well it seams can't attach afterall. Will reset pic in jpg and get back to you in few days
Cheers
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Dian,
Many thanks. I was doing some private look-ups for another reseacher when I saw Gortinamima's Surnames of Magilligan and on spec posted my message. I know that this site is good at reponding but I was surprised at the amount of detail which I recieved. I passed the site details to my contact and she responded that this is a much better site than others which she uses.
Again Many thanks.
Regards
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I am looking for Warks in the Magilligan Parish area in the 1800's.
I have a James Wark I believe to have been born at Magilligan ,22 Oct 1811. I have no further information of James, but would really like to find his parent's and siblings.
Any help would be wonderful
Thanks
Cheryl
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I would be interested in any Wark info you have of this area.
Thanks,
Cheryl
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There is an early Wark connection to Magilligan through a marriage
in Ballykelly Presbyterian Church:
Jon Wark of Ballykelly & [Blank] Hemphill in Magilligan gave in their
names to be proclaimed in order to marriage Aug 16 1705 & were
married 7br [July] 18 1705.
So maybe your Warks came into Magilligan through the Hemphill
connectio. There were no Warks in the 1740 householders or 1796
flax returns.
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Gortinanima,
There are two Warks in the parish of Dunboe in 1796. I am unclear where the boundaries of Dunboe and Tamlaghtarde lay and how the boundary of Magilligan as an area was defined in those days. I believe areas such as Benone and Magilligan were defined in 1838 as electoral divisions under the Poor Law act and in 1852 the Dispensary act brought Bellarena into being as a Dispensary District. Before 1838 is it possible that the church lands of Magilligan could have lain in two parishes. I know that some townlands of Tamlaghtarde were taken to form the parish of Aghanloo. (unsure of date).
Regards
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There were no Warks in Magilligan in 1796
but Dunboe is contiguous with Magilligan
and it would be important to record
Warks in Dunboe as well as the rest of the
Roe valley.
I would imagine Downhill was the boundary
between Magilligan and Dunboe parishes.
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Thank you Gortinanima and kingskerswell, I really appreciatte your help and information. This is the first time I have ever researched in this area,not to sure where one is too start, I value any help.
Jon , that is an unusuall spelling, Jon and his wife didn't stay in the area then?
kingskerswell, where did you find the information of the two Wark's in the parish of Dunboe ?
Many thanks
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MissPriss,
Information comes from a website www.failteromhat.com You need to look under the Census/Directories heading.
This is the Flax Growers Register and lists all those farmers in Ireland who had some land ready to plant a crop of flax in 1796 The aim was to encourage the linen industry by providing a free spinning wheel or loom, depending on the amount of land.
If you have any problems send me a Personal Message, PM, and I will try to sort it.
Regards
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Gortinanima:
You are a real gem to have posted so many excertps of Mr. Moody's diary. Is there any way for me to obtain a copy of the diary from far away in Pennsylvania, USA? I am very anxious to learn background about events and living conditions in Magilligan and Dunboe parishes at any point during the 1800s, so I would love to know if Mr. Moody's diary mentions the Great Wind of January 1839, or famine/fever conditions at various times, or the actions of their landlord, Henry Hervey Bruce. Perhaps his diary is limited to only events important to his immediate family.
My Magilligan ancestors include Sweeneys, Cannings, Redgates, McAnally/McNallys, who lived at Clooney, Ballymagoland, Drumahorgan, Oughtamore, and Aughill, mostly. Since Mr. Moody lived at Clooney prior to moving to Coleraine, he might mention events affecting my ancestors, as well.
In particular, my g-g-g-grandfather James McNally of Ballymagoland died on October 20, 1841, at a young age (38). I'm wondering if a specific disaster/accident occurred on that date (which Mr. Moody might mention). Supposedly, my g-g-g-g-grandfather Sweeney (name believed to be Patrick Sweeney) died at age 119 at Magilligan. Perhaps this event might be sufficiently unusual to be mentioned.
I don't want to burden you with many lookups for me. I appreciate any advice you can give me on how best to review a full copy of the diary.
Thank you so much.
Barbara Miller
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Barbara,
Coleraine Historical Society's journal Bann Disc Volume 13
contains extracts from Moody's diary. They still have back issues
which you can purchase:
http://www.colerainehistoricalsociety.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=33
Also PRONI now have an online service where you can contact them
to photocopy the original document for you but there may be a waiting
list. You should have a look at their website.
Much of Moody's diaries are concerned with his time in Coleraine when
he set up a business:
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Gortinanima:
Thank you, very much. That gives me a good idea on how to proceed. I am very grateful for your expertise.
Barbara
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Thought I'd note the following Curry stray to New Brunswick, Canada:
d. Monday 10th inst., James Currey, age 36, late of Magilligan, Londonderry, Ireland [New Brunswick Courier, Saint John, New Brunswick (Canada). 15 November 1851].
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Greetings!
I am looking for information on Ellen Nougher/McKnougher/Nocher/Noger who married Thomas Murphy in the mid-1800's.
Her name as been spelled differently on each Family Search IGI birth listings for their children Thomas, Alexander, Elizabeth, Anne and Ellen. Supposedly the children were born in Antrim -
Any ideas? Thanks!
Debra
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Hi,
Going round St. Aidans R.C. churchyard this after noon I came across this Moody grave and Gortmore House reminded me of this posting.
John Moody, Gortmore House, died 19 Dec 1854 Aged 81
His wife, Mary, died 5 Oct 1859 aged 71
1 Thess. iv 4, 14v ( 1st Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 14)
Anne Adeline Moody died 22May 1869 age 3 years 10 mths
Elizabath (sic) Moody died 20 Aug 1872 aged 19 years
Both daughters of AJH Moody
AJH Moody J.P. born 17 Aug 1819 died 11 Mar 1899
Elizabeth, his wife, Died 13 Aug 1918 aged 92.
Regards
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Many thanks for your reply. The earliest I have is Abraham James Hopkins Moody who was born in 1809 in Magilligan, parents John Moody and Mary Hopkins of Bolea. A brother of Abraham, born 1826, was stated to be of Gortmore Hall. The Ordnance survey map shows a Gortmore House but not a Gortmore Hall and having driven along the road from Magilligan Station "up the hill" I cannot remember a large house.
Again, many thanks
Regards
I have copy of photo taken c1980s of what remained of Gortmore House (Hall as the family called it). Will try to attach here. I have it because Alexander James Hopkins Moody (AJHM) was my gt.gt.grandfather. Well it seams can't attach afterall. Will reset pic in jpg and get back to you in few days
Cheers
Hi Dian,
l was hoping to get a copy of Gortmore House photo,if l can please??
l have added family info to the site if you would like to check it out
[MOODY]
regards
Debbie
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Hi
Sorry its been awhile and not to shore how to add new message.
Can anyone let me know please if there are any SHANNON'S or HOPKINS buried in St. Aidans R.C. churchyard and how l can go about getting it
Thank you
Moody
Hi,
Going round St. Aidans R.C. churchyard this after noon I came across this Moody grave and Gortmore House reminded me of this posting.
John Moody, Gortmore House, died 19 Dec 1854 Aged 81
His wife, Mary, died 5 Oct 1859 aged 71
1 Thess. iv 4, 14v ( 1st Thessalonians Chapter 4 verse 14)
Anne Adeline Moody died 22May 1869 age 3 years 10 mths
Elizabath (sic) Moody died 20 Aug 1872 aged 19 years
Both daughters of AJH Moody
AJH Moody J.P. born 17 Aug 1819 died 11 Mar 1899
Elizabeth, his wife, Died 13 Aug 1918 aged 92.
Regards
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Hi,
The "Elizabeth" in your quote was a Hopkins. She married Abraham James Moody in Limavady in 1849.
Regards
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Hi
Thankyou for that pit of info most grateful
but l am also trying to find Elizabeth Shannon and Elizabeth Hopkins families both those Lady's married Abraham James Hopkins Moody in or around Coleraine or Magilligan NI
I am thinking if Abraham and his parents and some of there children are buried in St. Aidans R.C. churchyard then there is a go chance that both Elizabeth's families are buried there as we and maybe they have headstones there with info on them
Anyone can help l would be most grateful
Regards
Moody
;D
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Gortinamina, your research on the Magilligan parish surnames has been most interesting. I am researching Cummings of Ballycarton and McDermott of Duncrun ancestors. At least I will be ableto look for variations of that surname in various records.
Once again Thank you.
Regards.
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I have a list of headstone inscriptions for St Aiden's. Sorry no Shannons or Hopkins!
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I noted an early Shannon/Hopkins marriage in Drumachose [Limavady] Church of Ireland
c1729/30
Oct 12 James Shanan of this parish & Ruth Hopkins of ye p’ish of Aghanlow were mar’d by licence
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In the 1740 Protestant Householders' returns Harry Cummings was in Carnowry.
In a valuation of the Hervy Bruce estate in Magilligan dated after 1806 and before 1823
there was a Samuel & James McCummins in Tircreevan and an Edward McDermott in Drumahorgan.
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I have just read your post quoting passages out of Abraham Moody's Diary. Could you tell me more about it, is it available for reading? I am a direct decendant of Israel Moody mentioned in this same post. I would be most interested to find out more.
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McCloskey/McLuskey, Elizabeth?
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Do you have any information on the Deighans of Magilligan.
The furthest back I have is Neal born circa 1795 - I don't know who he married or how many children and I don't know if his family were natives of the area or incomers from further south
I have Neal b 1795, William his son b 1828 and Neal his grandson b1852 and Mary his great grandaughter b 1887
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1831 census [head of household]
Jas & Wm Deighan in Ballymaclary
Neil Deighan in Doaghs Upper Middle
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Hi,
There is a will abstract for a Neil Deighan of Doaghs who died in 1910. It can be found on the PRONI Will section.
Regards
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Thanks Gortinanima
I'm not cogniscent with the format and information on the 1831 census and didn't think there were any surviving censuses until 1901.
Does the census show other members of the Deighan household at the time and is it available anywhere?
Are there any other surviving censuses pre 1901?
Finally I saw on your original post that there were Deighan and surname variants thereof in the area between 1600 and 1800 - how might I find out more about them?
Kingskerswell
Thanks I found a short extract of the £20 he left.
Different times indeed.
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1831 census was really a sort of religious count- lists head of household, number of males and number of females, and religion (R.C., Established Church (Church of Ireland), Presbyterian and other).
For Magilligan area, as far as I know, next census is 1901 but there are abstracts from 1841/1851 census in Old Age Pension claims.
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I have a reference for a James Deighan in Ballymaclary undated [probably between 1806-1820] but this was probably the same James that was in the 1831 census which only names head of household.
The reference to James Deighan can be found in
PRONI D/1514/2/4/16 (Hervey/Bruce Estate Papers)
Manuscript valuation book c. 1800
This is a brilliant little book packed with information on a dozen townlands in Magilligan parish. There are details on denominations, detailed observations on the nature and quality of the land and land use. PRONI has dated the book c. 1800 but a careful examination of the list of tenants has led me to conclude that this date is a little early. The Reverend Father Patrick Lynch is listed in Ballymaclary and we know that he was Parish Priest of Magilligan in the years 1806-1823 (he died and was buried in Lavey in 1832). Fortunately, there is an excellent index detailing all the tenants of the various townlands.
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In the 1740 Protestant Householders' returns Harry Cummings was in Carnowry.
In a valuation of the Hervy Bruce estate in Magilligan dated after 1806 and before 1823
there was a Samuel & James McCummins in Tircreevan and an Edward McDermott in Drumahorgan.
What is this henry bruce estate? Would protestants be in their? I think that may be my g,g,g grandfather james cummins and if it is that proves hes from magilligan!
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It's Hervey Bruce (surname) not Henry Bruce- estate papers would list details surch as tenants irrespective of religion. See here-
http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_hervey_bruce-2.pdf
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It's Hervey Bruce (surname) not Henry Bruce- estate papers would list details surch as tenants irrespective of religion. See here-
http://www.proni.gov.uk/introduction_hervey_bruce-2.pdf
Thanks very much i was just wondering if this estate had presbyterians within it as i had always thought that the estates where taken by the english and then rented out to the native irish catholics. Hmm just seen their that they shifted to the clotworkers company maybe thats why my g g g grandfather moved to coleraine, hervey bruce seems to have owned all the land here.
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Gortinamina,
Have been away from searching this line but wanted to say "Thanks" for the parish listing... helps very much!
Was wondering if you have any information re: the McKnogher/Nougher/ Knoughar line, specifically Ellen Knoughar m. Thomas Murphy, Coleraine,
Sept. 27, 1861?
Thanks again!
Den
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Den,
The marriage was performed in Coleraine Registrars Office and a parent check on the IGI using the names Thomas Murphy and Ellen (no Surname) gives two children
12 Oct 1864 Annie Murphy, Bushmills, mother NOCHER
17 Sept 1866 Alexander Murphy, Portrush, mother Knougher.
21 Jul 1868 Martha Murphy, Portrush mother Knogher
24 Jun 1870 Elizabeth Forsyth, Portrush, mother Nougher
Regards
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Appreciate the look-up and confirmation! Missed the child Martha along the way but on the right track. NHow to look up census information.
Have a great day!
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Den, missed saying that the last two come from a subscription site.
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I can say that I have been lucky in the "translation" of the Nougher, Nocher, Knoughar / various spelling of this last name. I used familysearch.org for the births & christenings quite some time ago and only recently came back to this name (I am also searching Jones in England and Kessler in Germany). I tried the new beta format and was given the Knoughar adaption. I was hoping it would coincide with some of the already speculative information I possessed.
Alexander was listed on the 1900 cenus with his brother Thomas (my direct line) so I had to work backward.
The naming of the first son after the father or wife's fathers' name is a challenge. Now I have a step back in time that will help me move forward.
Thanks! :D
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Hello!
Regarding the information located, and elsewhere, if an image is not online but through Family Search it indicates the image, source and reference numbers, will going to the LDS Facility provide any more information than what is provided on line? Thanks!
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Hi,
I was in Coleraine library this morning and came across this document. It was entitled Census of Magilligan Presbyterian Church 1855 and was located in the Church records Reference Book, Appendix 9. I copied this family from it.
John Moody,died 1855, wife Mary Hopkins
Abram James gone to Coleraine 1843
John married Mary Campbell gone to Australia 1851
William and Henry gone to Australia 1848
Hopkins gone to California not heard of
Margaret Anne and Samuel B. to Australia 1853
Solomon gone to Australia - with Henry
Isreal Joseph gone to Australia with Samuel
David gone to Australia with William
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