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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: elmemmo on Wednesday 15 October 08 00:18 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am pretty new to the board but I am working on my Taylor family line. I am getting stuck and wonder if anyone has some idea's on where to look next. I am trying to find out what happended to the family members and how they ended up in Dublin in the first place. Here is what I do know.
From FHL films from LDS-
William Taylor (was a solicitor) married Charlotte Bennett on 2 Oct 1851 in Rathfarnham, Dublin, Ireland (father of groom.Alfred Taylor - solicitor father of bride. Charles Bennett - auctioneer) This was a civil registration but all of their children's Christenings are listed at Eustace Street Presbyterian Church. I also find it curious that during the time they attended that church the pastor's name was Philip Taylor.
I have Charles Bennett still owning land in Dublin in 1876. I also have an address on Dame St. ( I know nothing else about the
Bennett family)
As for William and Alfred they were both Solicitors and I have them owning land on Great Brunswick.
William & Charlotte's Children:
Elizabeth b.1856
William George b. 30 Mar 1857 Dublin,Dublin,Ireland
Charles b. 30 Jul 1858 Dublin,Dublin, Ireland
Augustine b. 6 Nov 1869 Dublin,Dublin,Ireland
Alfred b. 14 Nov 1861 Sanford, Dublin, Ireland
Harriette Charlotte b. 3 May 1863 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland
James Cavendish b. 21 Nov 1864 Rathmines, Dublin, Ireland
Adrian Peregrine b. 7 Apr 1866 Dublin Dublin Ireland
Maud b. 14 Oct 1867 705,Rathmines, Dublin, Ireland
I have both Adrian and James at a (boarding) Grammar School in Taplow in 1881
Then in 1883 Adrian and James sailed from Liverpool to Halifax where Adrian made his way to the US and Illinois.
Adrian was my great great grandfather.
Any guidance would be great!
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extract from Slater's directory of Ireland 1846 :
In the solicitor section :
Taylor John, 116 Grafton st
Taylor William, jun. 25 Dame st
Teevan Johnston, 22 Blackball st
Tayle Eliza, clothes dealer, 67 Mary's lane
Taylor Alfred, solicitor, 118 Great Brunswick st
Taylor & Co. land and general agents
as far as I can see the 'jun.' after Williams name refers to the fact that he is a junior.
also listed a few Bennets in Dublin -:
Bennett Bernard, livery-stables, 18 North Brunswick st
Bennett Charles, auctioneer, valuator, and house and
land agent, 14 Dame st; h. Garville avenue, Rathgar
Bennett E, barrister, 98 Lower Mount st
Bennett Frances, teacher of teacherof the piano forte, 11 Leeson st
the h. before the Garville Av. address refers to his residence
edit : Sanford mentioned in your post probably refers to Sandford which is a road/area near to Ranelagh & Rathmines in Dublin. There is also a place named Sandyford - but this is much further out in County Dublin.
Shane
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Shane,
Thank you so much for your help! I notice there is a Taylor on Dame as well as Charles Bennett. I think these families may go back a ways together.
Ellen
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hello elmemmo
do you have a george taylor b 1856/7 co wicklow married to mary b 1861 co dublin.
they had 8 children sarah b 1884 co tipperary, william b 1896 co waterford, harriett b co dublin, georgeb 1899 co waterford, ethel b 1903 co waterford, fanny b 1890 queens co the other 2 i dont have names for.
richard
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Hi Richard,
I do have a William George Taylor who was born 30 Mar 1857 in Dublin, Dublin, Ireland his parents were Chalotte Maria Bennett and William Taylor (I think Charlotte & William died in the 1880s). My set of Taylors were Presbyterian and I believe they lived either near Rathmines or Rathfarnham. William and his father Alfred were both Solicters. I don't know much about the children other than Adrian & his older brother Alfred. If you think there is a connection to your Taylors please let me know and I will get you the information I have.
Ellen
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i think harriett is my grandmother. i need to prove the link. flight to dublin next year to find marriage cert.
richard
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Hi Richard,
Sometime back we exchanged messages about the Taylor family. You had stated that you thought Harriette was your grandmother but needed proof and had a flight to Ireland coming up. Just wondering if you made the connection. I am still pretty stumped on what happened to all the Taylor children and getting any information past William and Charlotte. I just booked my trip to Ireland today so I will be going over in September. Any tips on research you could pass on?
Thank you,
Ellen
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Ellen
Shaw's Directory for 1850 shows the 2 solicitors as being in Gt.Brunswick Street
Slaters Directory for 1894 shows William Taylor resident at No.1 Sandford Terrace,Sandford Road,Ranelagh. This is confirmed by my source work based upon The Irish Times newspaper. The I.T. also show the death of Myra (widow of William Taylor) in 1893 at same address. Revert if these are your people and you want references.
From personal knowledge there was a fruit shop owned by E. Taylor on Sanford Road 1930-C. 1960
Regards
Quaxer
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Thank you so much for this information. I would love to have the resources. I am almost positive this is my Taylor family. The youngest children of Willam and Charlotte were born in Sandford. I think Myra is William George Taylor's wife (son of William and Charlotte). From my research I know that Alfred Taylor and his son William Taylor were solicitors located on Great Brunswick. I will be visiting Ireland next month and am very excited and would love to find my ancestor's gravesites.
Again thank you!
Ellen Memmo
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Dear Ellen
Saw your reply but must request you to be precise in you questions i.e.sources-Irish Times and or Slaters and or Shaw. The Irish Times shows April 30th 1885 on Page 2 in an advert. the namether William Taylor and on February 13th 1893 on Page 1 in Deaths Section Myra (widow of William Taylor) and further on February 14th 1894 in an advert on Page 8 William Taylor.
The children-note there is no such address as 705 Rathmines-I checked 105 Lower Rathmines Road and 105 Upper Rathmines but I have no reference to Taylors in my I.T. source work. For the other children I need at least a street name or a district (not too large-Sanford was small enough).
Enjoy your trip to Dublin and revert with fresh questions if you wish
Regards Quaxer
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Dear Quaxer,
Thanks for the reply. I logged on to the Irish Times pay site but I must not be searching correctly because I can's get the preview of the below to show up. I want to make sure I am searching properly before I comitt to paying. Could you give me some search tips for that site? As for the children I am still working on them. I have ordered some tapes form the Civil Registry so I can find more information. I know the below:
Elizabeth - No Records
William George - Solicitor
Charles - No positive identifying records
Augustine - No records
Alfred James - Settled in Rhodesia
Harriette - married a Solicitor (records ordered)
James- Liverpool to Halifax Canada with Adrian
Adrian - Liverpool to Halifax to USA (Chicago Ill)
Maude - No Records
Hopefully between the records I have ordered and the ITs I will be able to find more.
Thank you,
Ellen
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... all of their children's Christenings are listed at Eustace Street Presbyterian Church. I also find it curious that during the time they attended that church the pastor's name was Philip Taylor.
There isn't any such church or minister listed in records of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland. Is this the church you mean (see below)? If so, it was Unitarian, not Presbyterian.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/infomatique/2683674018/
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Hi,
It could be Unitarian but the FHL film lists them as Presbyterian Collection Eustace Street Church which no longer exists. It is the "The Ark" children's center now. Here is a link to the film I was looking at.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=40036&disp=Church+records%20%20&columns=*,0,0
Thank you,
Ellen
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Very strange. I checked a History of Congregations of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland and it's not listed- there's also no minister named Philip Taylor listed in the index- and then found the link I posted above showing it to be Unitarian.
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some additional information from Thom's directories
1850 - between numbers 11 and 12 Eustace St.
Presbyterian Meeting House
Rev. J.C. Ledlie, D.D. 31 Essex St
& Rev. Joseph Hutton A.M. ministers
the only other possible religious congregation that I see listed on the street is a 'Friends meeting house' at No 5
In 1877 the Presbyterian Meeting House is not listed anywhere on Eustace street and the Friends meeting house has a John P. Beale as registering officer..
Shane
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Alfred Taylor lived at 33 Great Brunswick Street in 1837 according to the voting registers in Dublin.
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some more information on the Bennetts and Taylors from directories
Thom's 1850
Alfred Taylor, solicitor and master extraordinary of
Chancery for England, &c 185 Brunswick st. gt.
William Taylor, solicitor, 185 Brunswick street, great
Charles Bennett, auctioneer and valuator, house and land
agent - sale rooms, 14 Dame st and Blakeney parade, Sandymount
not sure if these are connected but these are from the Rathfarnham section :
Thomas Bennett esq, Bloomville - Rathfarnham Road
Joseph Taylor esq, Rose Villa - Rathfarnham Road
John Taylor eq, Newbrook, Ballyboden
Thom's 1863
Charles Bennett and son, auctioneer & valuator
house and land agents, 6 Ormond quay and Woodstock Ranelagh
William Taylor solicitor, 14 Ormond quay lwr,
res. 3 Mountain view, Sandford
no sign of Alfred. Sandford is just south of Ranelagh.
some earlier details from Treble Almanac/Wilson's Directory (1829) :
Attorneys
Alfred Taylor, KCE*! 33, gt Brunswick st
* King's bench, Common pleas & Exchequer, ! admitted solicitors in Chancery Jan 1791
Not sure if that could be the same Alfred or his father.. but with the occupation, street and surname match I thought it would be worth mentioning.
Shane
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R
e message No.10 I hope that someone else can assist you with Irish Times computer problems as in such matters I have to bumble along
Shane's No.16 has opened up more Irish Times Entries for you and herewith the entries:
3 Sallymount Avenue Ranelagh
September 10th 1877 P.1 A birth to James Taylor and October 12th 1878 a death
4 Sallymount Avenue
November 22nd 1871 on P.1 an advert. Mrs Taylor Professor of Music
September 25th 1876on P.1 death of Elizabeth dau. of William Taylor
February 8th 1879 on P.1 death of Charlotte widow of William Taylor and seeFe bruary 22nd 1889 on Page
an advert.Quaxer
Once again I'm out of space
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Continued
14 Lower Ormond Quay
January 20th 1866 an advert on P.1 shows Messrs Taylor and Barber (solicitors
May 18th 1877 on P.1 death of William Taylor (solr.
6 Upper Ormond Quay
September 17th 1859 an advert on P.1 mentions Charles Bennett -Auctioneer
February 11th 1876 on P.3 in the Law Report Charles Bennett entitled to set off rent due against outstanding
loan to Sir Charles Domville (Bank.)
Regards Quaxer
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Well Quaxer you really have helped me open a can of worms!! I was able to get on the Irish Times site and look up some of the information you provided me with. Image my surprise and shock to see that William Taylor died in Gonzales County Texas in the US! What the on earth was he doing there?? This is now my quest to find out. I did find there was a very violent and bloody feud that was going on in that area Texas during this time and it was called "The Taylor-Sutton Feud".
Also I must thank you so very very much as I now know where my Irish relatives are buried and look forward to visiting the cemetery.
This board and everyones help is so great!
Ellen
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Dear Ellen
Let's hope that in this case there are more answers than questions!!
While I've been through Texas (don't visit in summer as in most parts the humidity is grim nearly like Calcutta before the monsoon) try auniversity library for help about the feud (or even the State Librarian-----I'm sure they have one as everthing is big there). Those feuds are usually well documented here and if you get a referral to somebody in the know then you're made.
Regards Quaxer.