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Title: John James Browne
Post by: sbreimer on Tuesday 14 October 08 22:01 BST (UK)

Hello, I am looking for information on John James Browne born about 1840 in Liverpool area.  Married Annie Dixon before 1866.

Thank you,
Sydney

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Tuesday 14 October 08 22:18 BST (UK)

Hi Sydney,

Could this be his marriage from Lancashire bmd site http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

1862     BROWNE John   DIXON Mary A   Manchester, Chorlton-on-Medlock, St. Luke   Manchester

and his birth registration from freembd: John James Browne
 1841    Sep Qu   Liverpool  Vol 20 p. 445


Barbara

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: sbreimer on Tuesday 14 October 08 22:27 BST (UK)

Dear Barbara,

Yes I believe that this is correct.  Annie is also known as Mary Ann. Do you happen to know if John James is on any census prior to 1862?

Thank you,

sydney

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Tuesday 14 October 08 22:52 BST (UK)

It would help if you had details from his marriage certificate or later census, his address at time of marriage, his occupation, father's name and occupation

Barbara  :)

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Tuesday 14 October 08 23:06 BST (UK)

If he's the one in Higher Bebington in 1871 with a son who was born in Wavertree, then this is a possible

1861 RG9/2737 folio 121 page 28/29

Church Lane, Wavertree, West Derby, Lancashire
BROWNE
John head M 63 Timber Merchant    Ireland 
Frances wife M 48
Dora Ann dau Unm 21
John J son Unm 19 Clerk Timber Trade
Richard B son 16 Clerk Cotton Broker
Valentine son 10 Scholar
all except father born Liverpool,
and on the next page
Winefred M ............       page torn so rest is not available 
Jane Cunley.............                    "
Mary ........................                    "
 

Barbara
 

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Tuesday 14 October 08 23:17 BST (UK)

Here's that same family in 1851:

HO107/2182 Folio  473 Page  4
11 St. James' Road, Liverpool
John Browne head m 52  Timber Merchant  Wexford Ireland
Frances         wife  m 38
Frances M      dau      10  Scholar
John J            son        9       "
Charles C        "          8        "
Richard B         "          6        "
Peter C            "          3        "
Mary E            dau       1
Valentine J     son        1 month
wife and children all born Liverpool
Mary Hughes serv  unm   29 House servant & Cook  Denbighshire Wales
Margaret Batter  serv "   17 Housemaid    Ireland Kilkenny
Maria Oleary          "    "   23 Nurse            Wexford
   
 

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: sbreimer on Wednesday 15 October 08 13:35 BST (UK)

Dear Barbara,

At first glance this looks like the right family.  John James's son was born in West Derby and the names Valentine and Charles are in the newer generations.  I don't know anything about Higher Bebington, but it looks like it is just off Church Rd, the address givenn in 1861.

Well now, I guess, it is off to Wexford Ireland for John Browne (Sr.)..thanks so much,

Sydney

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Wednesday 15 October 08 14:12 BST (UK)

Quote from: Ecneps on Tuesday 14 October 08 23:06 BST (UK)

If he's the one in Higher Bebington in 1871 with a son who was born in Wavertree

Quote from: sbreimer on Wednesday 15 October 08 13:35 BST (UK)

I don't know anything about Higher Bebington, but it looks like it is just off Church Rd, the address givenn in 1861

Here's the 1871 that I was referring to:

1871 RG10/3741 Folio  39 Page 19
Esplanade, Rock Park, Rock Ferry, Higher Bebington, Cheshire
John J Brown head m  29  Annuitant  Lancs  Liverpool
Annie M  "      wife  m  26                    Nottingham Newcastle
Chas R   "        son       5                     Wavertree Liverpool
John D    "         "          3                     Lancs Crosby
Alice Carroll servant s 17 Dom serv    Liverpool


Barbara
   
 
 

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: sbreimer on Wednesday 15 October 08 14:20 BST (UK)

Thanks again Barbara.  You have been a great help.  That is a match to my g-granfather (Charles Redmond).  Thank you,

Sydney

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Wednesday 15 October 08 14:34 BST (UK)

You're welcome  :)
Any other census needed for the family?

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: sbreimer on Wednesday 15 October 08 16:08 BST (UK)

How very kind!  I have many that I am pursuing which I will list for interest. 

I wonder if you have any information for the other names that are associated to John Browne and John J. Browne, i.e. Frances and Mary Ann Dixon.
Charles Redmond Browne (1866-19??) married Madeleine Pragnell whose family is a mystery to me. And yet another relative (different side of the family) is Edward Walter Bennett of Shaftesbury, Dorset, born about 1825 and moved to Newfoundland before 1855. He has been my biggest stumbling block.

Very kind of you to ask; any information would be appreciated.

Thanks again,

Sydney

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: Ecneps on Wednesday 15 October 08 17:16 BST (UK)

You will need to post a new query for Edward Bennett on the Doset board.

I think you will need Charles Browne's marriage cert if you don't already have it, to show Madeleine's father's name and occupation:
marriage Jun 1894 Pancras    1b   198
Browne    Charles Redmond    Pragnell    Maddeine
 
1901 census RG13/159  Folio 82  Page  20 shows Charles and Madelene living in Islington, her birthplace is given as Middlesex London and aged 28 - but I can't immediately see a birth for her, so again, a new post just about her on the Middlesex board would be a good idea - giving as much information as you have

Barbara
   

Title: Re: John James Browne
Post by: sbreimer on Wednesday 15 October 08 17:28 BST (UK)

Thank you Barbara.  Very much appreciated.

Sydney