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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: moominnana on Tuesday 14 October 08 14:20 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find out more information about my grandmothers brother James A Bryson, he was born 11th January 1900 in Greenock, It says I Broomhill Street Greenock but on the 1901 census it states he was living in Drumfrochar Road. My grandmother Helen McAlpine Bryson was born at 1 Broomhill Street also.
James parents were James Alexander Bryson [b.1876-1944] and Leah Wilkie [b.1876-1907] I have James birth certificate but can find no more information about him I wonder if he may have emigrated]
James father James Bryson remarried after his wifes death. He married an Elizabeth Torrance in 1908.
any help would be much appreciated thanks
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Have you seen the Watt Library's bmd list?
http://www.inverclyde.gov.uk/GeneralR.aspx?id=830&catid=1015
BRYSON Leah Wilkie, wife of James Bryson, died at her father's, 20 Sugarhouse Lane, Greenock on
28th.Sept 1907 (Greenock Telegraph 30.9.1907)
There's other Bryson's there but Leah's the only one I can identify as your family. No sign of James A. unfortunately.
However there's a likely marriage showing for a James Alexander Bryson in nearby Port Glasgow in 1924 have you checked this out? With his wife's name you could see if she died in Scotland.
There's only 3 hits for a James Alexander Bryson b. 1901 +/- 3 years, died 1924-2006, including one in Port Glasgow in 1966.
Lora.
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Hi
thanks for the reply. I have the BMD of Leah Wilkie, she sadly died aged just 31, just a few weeks before that her 7 week old daughter died so very tragic but not unusual I have found, I also have the BMD for most of her family and the Bryson family, its just the James born 1900 that is hard to find. I will double check the Port Glasgow one but I think I have looked at that already, but thanks very much for your help its much appreciated.
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James Alexander Bryson d. September 30th 1927. He was single and died in Kilmarnock, but usually resided at 4 Watt St, Greenock. His father, of Fullarton Terrace, Irvine, signed the death. Cause of death was extensive burns and scalds. :(
The RCE reads: "Injuries sustained on 29th September, 1927, in the [added: stoke] hole of the Steamship, King George V, and at a point in the Firth of Clyde near the entrance to Irvine Harbour, in the Parish of Irvine, by the bursting of a steam boiler tube, per verdict of Jury."
I would imagine a newspaper report from the time would give you more details.
hume24
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:'(
Brings home the hazards of working in ships. I should've thought of Kilmarnock that's where my ancestor died after an accident at Troon docks.
I've got the newspaper articles in the Scotsman, pm me you're email address and I'll send a copy.
Edward Kane who was with him also died.
Lora
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Hi Lora,
Just noticed Edward Kane's entry below James'. He was 40 and death details the exact same. :-[
hume24
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hi to both of you and thanks for the information it is greatly appreciated. I have only been on this site a few times and still getting the hang of it so Lori could you send me a pm then I can reply and give you my address as I am still not too sure how to do it.
Its very sad really not a good ending for this family, although James sister my grandmother lived to be 81
thanks again
Diana
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Hi Diana, I've sent the articles let me know you get them ok. I had a look for anything on the investigation into the accident but don't see anything reported. Might be being very cynical here but I'm not sure a pleasure steamer would enjoy the publicity of a report into its faulty boilers.
Lora.
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hi Lora,
I got the articles ok, thanks for them.
I noticed on the first one it did not even mention them by name and even the second one did not say too much. I agree with you they probably did not want too much publicity, I had a look to see if there was anything on google about it but did not find anything.
I only put that article on here this afternoon and I am really grateful for the help I have had.
thanks again
Diana
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you're welcome.
Yes I liked at the end of the 1st one how they seem more worried about the state of the ship ::)
(They didn't even get my ggg-grandfathers name right in their first report! and if I remember rightly he's simply 'a labourer named Brown' when they actually managed to get it right >:()
There must be a report in archives somewhere, maybe if you find out who owned the King George V? Or would it be the Clyde Port Authority?
Lora
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It was Turbine Steamers Ltd (1901 - 1935) who owned the ship. See this page: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/tramways/KingGeorgeV.htm
"Trouble with the boilers led to replacement in 1929 and again in 1935". ::)
hume24
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I have been looking on google and found a couple of articles about the ship and the turbines were quite new then I think that might have been the first ship with the new type, it says the water heated up to 750 degrees, what agony those two men must have gone through.
I also read that the ship cost £69,000 and the first trial trip was on 7th september 1927 so my grandmothers brother had only been on it for a few weeks.
I agree its shocking that they seemed more concerned about the ship than the men killed.
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hi I just wanted to say thanks to hume24 and Lora [damnonii] for their help in tracing my grandmothers brother, James Bryson, I have contacted various members of the family and none of them knew about this tragedy. Even my uncles [children of my grandmother] were unaware of this. So sad.
Thanks for all your help
Diana
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Hi
I have recently been looking into my family history and came across your post. I have found out that the James Alexander Bryson you have posted your comments about is my Great Grandad. I would be interested in the additional information you have regarding the family if that is possible.
Thanks
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Could this be James jnr in the 1881 Census?
1881 Census- 66 Dumfrochar Rd, West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
James BRYSON, married, 26, Ireland, Sugarhouse Lab
wife Ellen BRYSON, married, 25, Linlithgow, Linlithgow, Scotland
dau. Ellen BRYSON, 6, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
son James BRYSON, 4, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
son William BRYSON, 1, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
The name of the street is Drumfrochar Road (with an r) which is in the Broomhill district
There is another family of Irish Bryson living in the same Tenement, could be related.
1881 Census- 66 Dumfrochar Rd, West Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Thomas BRYSON, married, 41, Ireland, Sea Captain (Unemployed)
wife Margaret BRYSON, married, 36, Ireland
dau. Rose Ann BRYSON, 15, West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland, Dressmaker
dau. Margaret BRYSON, 12, West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland, Scholar
son Thomas H. BRYSON, 10, West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland, Scholar
son George A. BRYSON, 8, West Kilbride, Ayr, Scotland, Scholar
Happy Hunting
Eddie
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Hi Eddie,
My Grandad is Robinson Wilkie Bryson who is the other brother of Helen McAlpine Bryson. The family was from Broomhill street, Greenock.
C
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Hi,
My dad is called James Bryson and he was born in Watt St and he is James Alexander Bryson's Grandson. He has been googling and has come across this thread and has discovered that his Grandad James Alexander was in fact married twice...he never knew this... He really wants to find out about his Grandads child Helen Mcalpine Bryson. He wants to know about her life after her mother died. Did she stay with James Alexander or what happened to her?
My dad, James Bryson who is after this information now lives in Bristol. His laptop broke down last night as he was reading all the comments so he asked if i could try and get him some info and pass on his number for anyone to call him who knows anything.... or you can reply to me...
Thank you
Lucy x
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That might not be a good idea, posting a personal phone number on a public forum.
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Hi,
My dad is called James Bryson and he was born in Watt St and he is James Alexander Bryson's Grandson. He has been googling and has come across this thread and has discovered that his Grandad James Alexander was in fact married twice...he never knew this... He really wants to find out about his Grandads child Helen Mcalpine Bryson. He wants to know about her life after her mother died. Did she stay with James Alexander or what happened to her?
My dad, James Bryson who is after this information now lives in Bristol. His laptop broke down last night as he was reading all the comments so he asked if i could try and get him some info and pass on his number for anyone to call him who knows anything.... or you can reply to me...
Thank you
Lucy x
I am Helen Brysons granddaughter, I am doing this on my phone so will get back to you tomorrow on the computer.
Diana
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Hi Lucy,
I am Helen McAlpine Brysons granddaughter, I am the daughter of her son James. Helen married Edward Colquhoun. I will give you my email address which I rarely use then when I hear back from you I can give you my more details. (*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,to avoid spamming and other abuses.Please use the Personal Message (PM) system for exchanging personal data.
Diana
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Hi Diana,
Thank you for your message.
Your email was removed unfortunately.
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It is never safe to post your email on the internet, yours has been removed too.
Sarah
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Please help. How can me and Diana communicate properly? Is there an easier way?
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If you wish to send a private message to each other, you can do this by clicking the round button underneath the members profile name that says "pm" if you hover your mouse over the top.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Eddie,
My Grandad is Robinson Wilkie Bryson who is the other brother of Helen McAlpine Bryson. The family was from Broomhill street, Greenock.
Hi I'm just wondering if you are still on this site. I am the granddaughter of Helen bryson
C