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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: wildgoose on Sunday 12 October 08 14:46 BST (UK)
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could anyone help me locate 5 Nile St, Middlesborough as I would be interested to find out why my ggrandfather left the WRY and moved north.
Was it just to avoid the rentman?
1891 Census recs.
Dwelling: 5 Nile St.
Census Place: Middlesborough, NRY.
Charles PRATT, head, marr., 25, clothier?collier?, Normanton, Leeds.
Alice Kirby PRATT, wife, marr., 25, London.
Elizabeth, daur., 5, Normanton, Leeds.
Charles, son, 3, Normanton, Leeds.
Charlotte, daur., 1, Normanton.
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Hi Wildgoose,
Just behind the railway station
http://www.rootschat.com/links/04ic/
1891 census image does show his occupation as clothier
Barbara :)
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Hi,
Maybe it was simply the rate of industrial growth in that area meant that there were more opportunities for employment. The whole of what we now know as Teesside had sprung up out of almost nothing in a remarkably short time and people had been flooding into the area from all over the country.
(Or maybe he just realised that the North Riding was a better place to be! ;))
Jen
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I see he was back in Normanton in 1901, what does that tell us Jen? ;D
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Hmmm - tricky one that! They had no taste? ;D
But seriously, I struggled like mad, in one census, to find one of my families who should, according to all other documents, have been in or around the Bedale area of the North Riding. In the end, I ran them to ground in the Tees Tilery area - Normanby/South Bank, where the head of family was working as a labourer in the iron/steel works. Ten years later, he had gone back to Bedale where he was, once again, an ag lab. Plainly the urban style of life didn't suit them and they were fortunate enough to be able to go home to start again.
Perhaps it was simply that they couldn't settle in a new place.
Jen
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Whats a clothier? He spent all his working life as a collier (hewer)
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Clothier / Clothesman / Clothman: Made or sold clothing
Maybe just fancied a change of air and routine!
Barbara
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Hmmm - tricky one that! They had no taste? ;D
But seriously, I struggled like mad, in one census, to find one of my families who should, according to all other documents, have been in or around the Bedale area of the North Riding. In the end, I ran them to ground in the Tees Tilery area - Normanby/South Bank, where the head of family was working as a labourer in the iron/steel works. Ten years later, he had gone back to Bedale where he was, once again, an ag lab. Plainly the urban style of life didn't suit them and they were fortunate enough to be able to go home to start again.
Perhaps it was simply that they couldn't settle in a new place.
Jen
Don't forget that the Iron and Steel industry suffered several downturns when quite a lot of the furnaces where blown out so they would be no work especially for labourers. That would be a good reason to go back to where there was work especially if you had family there.
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I ran them to ground in the Tees Tilery area - Normanby/South Bank, where the head of family was working as a labourer in the iron/steel works. Ten years later, he had gone back to Bedale where he was, once again, an ag lab. Plainly the urban style of life didn't suit them and they were fortunate enough to be able to go home to start again.
Perhaps it was simply that they couldn't settle in a new place.
Jen
Sorry, I am new to this forum, and can't find how to send a pm to Genjen.
I don't know how far back you are going here, but Normanby used to be a rural area in the early 1800's.
Tiley is part of Stockton on Tees, to the west of Middlesbrough. South Bank and Normanby, are to the east.
;)
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Hi Emm,
You've found me! I think you have to make another couple of posts before you can do PMs.
I'm not going back as far as the early 1800s in this thread - it was the census of 1871 when this family was in tees Tilery and by then the area was becoming rather less rural. I don't know why I have Tees Tilery as South Bank or Normanby - there must be a reason - I'll need to look at my information. But I am happy to accept that I was wrong and that it was part of Stockton.
I grew up on Teesside, not far from Middlesbrough ( where I was born) so I am familiar with most of it and its history. My ancestors moved there from all over the place and were almost all employed in the iron and steel industry.
Cheers,
Jen
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Thanks Jen.
I did some searching, and found out about pm's.
Well, this is two posts now. :)
I was born in Normanby - then moved to Middlesbrough.
My father's family moved to Stockton from Staffordshire for my grandfather to work in the steel industry.
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One branch of mine also came to Middlesbrough from Staffordshire. I think there are a lot of us about. ;D
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Hi Emm,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
I was born in Normanby too. My ancestors moved to this area from Lincolnshire and Norfolk to work in the ironstone mines, men travelled from all over the country to find work there in the mid-1800s.
Barbara :)
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Small world, isn't it.
I should be able to send pm's now.
Oh, thanks for the welcome, Ecneps.
;)
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@ Genjen.
I have just discovered another Tilery.
:-[
SOUTH BANK, formerly called Tees Tilery, is a rapidly increasing and populous market town in this township, having a station on the Darlington and Saltburn line of the North Eastern railway, and is distant three miles from Middlesbrough. It is entirely a recent creation, which has sprung into existence since the establishment of the steel works of Messrs. Bolckow, Vaughan, & Co., Limited, and the works of the Clay Lane Iron Co., Limited. Another industry of the place which gives employment to a large number of the inhabitants is the manufacture of bricks and tiles, which is carried on extensively by Messrs. Johnson & Maw, the North Eastern Brick and Tile Co., and the Cleveland Brick and Tile Co. For parliamentary purposes, South Bank is included in the borough of Middlesbrough, but the remainder of the township is in the Cleveland division of the Riding. A large portion of the place is under the jurisdiction of the Normanby Local Board of Health, formed in 1865; and the following year gas works were erected by a limited company. The Town Hall, with Covered Market, was erected in 1878, at a cost of £5,500. It is an imposing structure of white brick, built from the designs of W. Duncan, Esq., Middlesbrough. The main room, which is used for public entertainments, will accommodate 800 persons. The Local Board and also the School Board have their offices in this building. The market is held weekly on Fridays, and is well patronised.
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Well there you go - I wasn't imagining things after all. Often when I am sitting at my lap-top, I don't have all my family files close at hand so can't refer to all my data but I was sure it was the South Bank area where my family had lived. We didn't venture north of the Tees very often!!! ;D
Thanks for that,
Jen
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I must admit, I'd never heard that, (or forgotten it probably), I only knew of the Tilery in Stockton, so that's really interesting information, thanks Emm.
Barbara :)
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Pleasure ladies.
Genjen - I live on the north side of the Tees, now.
:(
But, as the saying goes - You can take me out of Yorkshire, but you can't take Yorkshire out of me.
;)
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Pleasure ladies.
Genjen - I live on the north side of the Tees, now.
:(
But, as the saying goes - You can take me out of Yorkshire, but you can't take Yorkshire out of me.
;)
Both my sisters have done that terrible thing too. Whereas I have just gone further down the ancestral line and come home to Westmorland.
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Well, as I am finding out - one half of me is deeply rooted in North Yorkshire.
;)
I noticed a thread about unusual names.
Not a name, but - this side of my family is called Bean . . . and they were Market Gardeners.
:)
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With a name like that, they didn't have much choice, did they? ;D
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Excuse me for intruding but the name South Bank caught my eye. Would this be the same place as South Bank Yorkshire in 1917?
Not used to the English side of things , sorry.
Have a John McSorley from Glasgow marrying a Nora ? at Saint Giles , Durham on the 21st July 1917. He was in the Army at the time . Nora subsequently filed for divorce ( Army records on National Archives) . How do I find out her surname?
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Marriages
Sept 1917
Durham 10a/615
John McSorley
Norah Higgins
This looks like your couple. And yes, South Bank was in North Riding of Yorkshire. What is the connection with this family?
Jen
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Thank you Jen, The McSorley side are in my family tree. John was 'lost' but turned up in the National Archives Army records for WW1. Where can you find English Weddings on line?
Baird
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I found this marriage on:
www.freebmd.org.uk
It's good for anything up to around 1920-30 but after that you need to use something like Find My Past, for which there is a charge. But there are also people on Rootschat who have subscriptions to Ancestry ( me included) and who will happily do look ups for you.
Jen
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South Bank was in North Riding of Yorkshire. Jen
Known locally as Slaggy Island, eh Jen? (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-020.gif)
This is a great website: http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/slaggyisland/
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Thank you very much for the assistance. Got my information and a very useful site.
Baird
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South Bank was in North Riding of Yorkshire. Jen
Known locally as Slaggy Island, eh Jen? (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-020.gif)
This is a great website: http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/slaggyisland/
It was and the other local name was the one we gave to the people of Grangetown, who were all known as Gregors ( or was it Greggers?). They had a really bad name in Lazenby. Anything out of the ordinary was always blamed on the Gregors. ::)
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South Bank was in North Riding of Yorkshire. Jen
Known locally as Slaggy Island, eh Jen? (http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Happy/happy-020.gif)
This is a great website: http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/slaggyisland/
It was and the other local name was the one we gave to the people of Grangetown, who were all known as Gregors ( or was it Greggers?). They had a really bad name in Lazenby. Anything out of the ordinary was always blamed on the Gregors. ::)
Don't tell me you lived in Lazenby, genjen?
Small world.
We lived in Queen Street, some 30 years ago.
We were in the detached house which had a cottage out back.
When we moved there, there were stables. We were told that the undertaker lived in the cottage, and his horses were kept in the stables.
I never found out what our house had been used for!!!!!
:(
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I grew up in Lazenby. We moved there from Middlesbrough in 1952 and I left in 1969, when I finished my seven year sentence at Cleveland Grammar School. ;)
Went to primary school there, as did both sisters. Married in the church at Wilton and my parents are both buried there.
My mother lived there until she died earlier this year so my links with the village will be gone once her house is sold.
Small world indeed.
Jen