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I am trying to trace my wife's great grandmother Mary Jane Furnival.
She married Edwin Williams june 1902 in Brynford,Holywell , Flintshire,Wales
her age on the marriage certificate is 28, spinster - father John Furnival ( deceased) printer.
She is listed in 1901 census at Bryhyfryd ,Brynford ,Holywell, servant aged 28 born Manchester.
1891 census same place , servant aged 18 born Manchester.
In the 1881 census for Greenfield Holywell There is a Mary J Furnival aged 10 born Manchester , Mother Grace Furnival aged 49 seamstress born Manchester , Lancashire.
Also daughter Frances Furnival aged 7 born Manchester . But I dont know if these Furnivals are the same as Mary J Furnival would have been born 1871.
I have searched Ancestry for a John Furnival printer with a daughter Mary Jane but cant find anything.
I also cant find Mary Jane Furnival born 1873/4 Manchester.
Help !!
Please
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Hi BTee!
Have you seen the marriage of JOHN FURNIVAL and GRACE EDWARDS in Liverpool in JUN 1859 listed on both FreeBMD and Lancashire BMD? Also the death of GRACE FURNIVAL at age 51 in Holywell in MAR 1882 listed on FreeBMD?
Don't know if this helps -- hope so.
Kay in USA
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Hi BTee!
Have you seen the marriage of JOHN FURNIVAL and GRACE EDWARDS in Liverpool in JUN 1859 listed on both FreeBMD and Lancashire BMD? Also the death of GRACE FURNIVAL at age 51 in Holywell in MAR 1882 listed on FreeBMD?
Don't know if this helps -- hope so.
Kay in USA
Thanks for that I didnt have access to the first two but had found the death, at this stage I didnt want to link our Mary Jane with the Mary J daughter of Grace untill I knew more, just a case of finding out if they are all linked - the 'family' story is that Mary Jane was adopted and was actualy French !
Thanks again
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It is probably worth buying the birth certificate of the girl in the 1881 census; the similarities are close and ages are always suspect.
Mar 1871
Mary Jane Furnival
Manchester
Richard
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Hi again, BTee!
If one has a computer, one has access to www.freebmd.org.uk and to www.lancashirebmd.org.uk -- and neither website chargres a fee.
Also, I agree with Richard about obtaining the birth cert. Since Grace was a widow on the 1881 census, it may be the one way to find what was the father's occupation. If it's "printer", as it is on the marriage cert, that's some good evidence. At any rate, good luck.
Kay in USA
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Thanks to you both (Im just a beginner in this - cant you tell lol !)
I have allready applied for the birth certificate for the 1871 Mary J so fingers crossed it will have her fathers name and occupation on it .
Thanks
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Thanks for all your help Folks.
Just a quick update
I have today received the birth certificate for the 1871 Mary J Furnival
Just goes to show you cant trust ages on census and marriage certificates,
this has to be the right one
12th January 1871 15 Mary Street , Cheetham, Manchester, Lancaster (!!??)
Mary Jane Furnival
Mother - Grace (nee -Edwards)
Father - John Furnival 'compositor' ( type setter- printer)
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Hi BTee!
That's wonderful. Thanks for letting us know. I was hoping that you would.
Kay in USA
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Now another conundrum -:
What happened to her sister Frances ?????
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Hi again, BTee!
I don't know if this helps you, but I looked for FRANCES by searching for any FURNIVAL born in 1874 +/- 2 years for all years on the entire UK census. I found the following:
1891 census for Cheadle, Cheshire
FANNY FURNIVAL
age 16
born in Manchester
boarder
occupation: cotton winder
I could not find her anywhere on the 1901 census. Then I checked FreeBMD and found a FRANCES FURNIVAL who married REUBEN BENNETT in Stockport (MAR 1901 8a, 124). With that info, I found them on the 1901 census in Stockport, Cheshire. They had a daughter, age 9 days, named GRACE!!! Sounds right, doesn't it? Of course, the only way to be sure is to send for the marriage cert to determine whether her father is JOHN FURNIVAL the printer.
Good luck,
Kay in USA
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BTee:
It's me again. Here's an interesting tidbit for you to consider.
I found a GRACE EDWARDS (mistranscribed as GRAD EDWARD) on the 1851 census for Manchester, living at 15 Cock Gates in the Cathedral area. She was enumerated as follows: age 21, unmarried, lodger, occupation winder for (illegible). On the line below was JOHN EDWARDS, age 11 months.
What do you think?
Kay in USA
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If there is a connection, my rellies would obviously be distantly related. But I did want to mention my side:
George Furnival, born 1826, Warrington, England. Married in Manchester. Occupation (in Canada, after 1871): Printer and Stationer. (My Furnival family arrived in Canada c1871.) George was also a printer in Warrington. I do not know anything about his business in England.
George had a brother, John and George's father was named John (born c1799). I know the family originally had a tannery; I'm not sure who else might have been a printer. George's mother was born in Cheshire.