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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Huntingdonshire => England => Huntingdonshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ednalou on Saturday 11 October 08 16:33 BST (UK)
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The above person I am looking for is either daughter/son to John Lilley born 1815 Bedford to Ruth Wagstaff born about 1814 Kimbolton, Hunts.
On the 1861 census the name is Eliza, on the 1871, 1881, it is Elijah married to Mary A on 1881. Cannot find this person on 1891. Or is this mix up 2 different families.
Also I am looking for the parents of Ruth Wagstaff born at Kimbolton. I know I will have to put a message on the Bedford site for John Lilley for his parents.
I hope someone would be able me please.
Regards
Gillian
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Hi Gillian,
Do you have access to 1891? The reference is RG12/1243 35 1
They are still around in 1901: RG13/1469 7 5
Shout if you need transcriptions
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Thanks for that I will look it up.
Regards
Gillian
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re John Lilley born c1815. Why not check out the IGI at www.familysearch.org yourself, rather than posting a request on the Beds board? There are two John Lilleys born in Bedford - one in 1814, one in 1816
David
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Hi David
I looked at those on the IGI, but its just knowing which one was married to Ruth Wagstaff. I am wondering whether he was married before Ruth in 1844.
Regards
Gillian
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I doubt it as he appears to be single in 1841 living in Kimbolton. If you have access to censuses check 1841 for Lilley in Kimbolton. Using that in conjunction with the IGI it's fairly apparent who his parents are - see post on Beds board
There are burials in Kimbolton of Leah Wagstaffe Lilley aged 4 on 30 Jul 1850 and of William Robert N Lilley aged 1+ on 13 Aug 1850.
If you check freebmd on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl in St Neots registration district you'll find a number of entries for Lilley/Lilly.
Kimbolton parish register for this period isn't on the IGI or BVRI, nor is a transcript available from Hunts FHS. However the BTs have been filmed by the LDS so are available to order and view at your nearest LDS Family History Centre - list of Centres is on www.familysearch.org
The first Wagstaffe marriage in Kimbolton after 1754 wasn't until 1823 so I can't even manage an educated guess as to who Ruth's parents might have been.
David
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Thank you for that information David. I have John Lilley working for a William Lee on the 1841 census in Kimbolton.
Regards
Gillian
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But have you also got the other John Lilley and his children in Kimbolton? These appear to be John's father and siblings. Most of them seem to be tailors, like John. Like John they were baptised in Bedford, sons of John and Eleanor, per the IGI, extracted so reliable. The death of Eleanor is on freebmd in the Dec quarter 1838 in St Neots registration district, which included Kimbolton.
David
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Hi David
Thanks for that I have checked that out and I have added them to my trees. Do you think that on the my original message Eliza was mistaken for Elijah, as when you go on the census ten years later the age is correct and its down as Elijah.
Happy Tree Hunting
Gillian
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I did wonder that. I suspect that Eliza is an error by the enumerator.
David
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Thanks a lot David.
You must be awfully busy as you are always answering someone's queries.
Your doing a great job.
When do you find time to do your own family tree.
Gillian
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Just the opposite, I'm not busy at all! That's why I spend all day doing genealogy. Mine or someone elses. It doesn't matter which! So long as the problem looks interesting. But I only look at at Beds, Cambs and Hunts which is where my ancestors were from, and where I have a lot of parish register transcripts etc.
Most of my own lines have been exhausted or just fizzled out, so I spend a fair bit of time researching those that have got back past parish registers into medieval times. I have the same 16xg grandmother through both my father and my mother. One descends from her first marriage, the other from her second marriage. Some of these medieval people are well documented, particularly those from the gentry and aristocracy, so it's not as difficult as you might think.
But this morning I'm about to start on the salmon cakes for lunch (I have a 9 year old who likes good food!) so the Powtrells from West Hallam will have to wait until this afternoon!
Good hunting
David
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Thank you for your message.
Which names were you interested in as my Granddad on my mothers side came from Kimbolton, Hargrave, Pertenhall which are in your area.
I have just been in touch with another very very distant relative Reynolds from Pertenhall.
I met one of my very distant relatives and that all came from Rootschat. I had just started my tree about 3 years when I was taken into hospital for 7 weeks, I was seriously ill. I got a message from linmey whose Grandfather or Great Grandfather was brother who married my William Smith Wrighton from Hargrave. We have been in touch with each other ever since. While I was in hospital I got a card, my daughter wondered why I was sending myself a card because the handwriting was very similar and it was from Linda (linmey). When I was feeling a lot better and I was able to get upstairs I looked at my birthday cards, that my mother and grandmother sent me and when you look at their handwriting they are very much alike, my writing is the same as theirs. Also my fathers writing is very much like his mothers. Have you ever come across this before.
Well I will go now. Enjoy your salmon cakes
Regards
Gillian
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Hi Gillian,
Are you still interested in Elijah Lilley? I Googled his name and came up with your request. I am presently transcribing a tape made in 1978 of Elijah and Mary Ann's second daughter Florence who died the following year aged 99. She was still living in Kimbolton. She speaks in it of her grandfather with obvious pleasure. She confirms that her grandmother was Ruth Wagstaff "and Uncle Jim's wife was a Wagstaff. I knew Miss Lilley well and her niece gave us one of her chairs when she died. Is there anything else I might be able to help with?
Regards,
Shawhurst.
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Hi
Thank you for your message. I am always looking for information. You get to a certain point that you cannot get any further, so you put that part on hold for a while, then you get some more information from people like yourself that has got the information, so you can add more to it.
Any information would be much appreciated.
Regards
Gillian
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Hi, I have been looking through the census returns and parish records for Kimbolton that I have and have come up with the following
John Lilley 1816 m Ruth Wagstaff 1819. They had two children 1) James1852 m Jane Wagstaff. James and Jane had 1)Alfred G, who married Florence Mary bt 12-4-12 who married Frederick John Carrington at Kimbolton on 18-4-1936 2)Harry E 3)Frank A. who married Emily died 1969 and had five children Albert, Dorothy,Winifred, George and Robert. 4) Edwin 5)Arthur 6) Walter.
2) Elijah 1856 m Mary Ann? They had nine children Evelyn 1878, Florence 1880-1979 (this is the one I knew) John 1882, Charles1884, Wilfred 1886, Ada and Myra both bapt 28-9-1890 and Ivy and Mary both baptised 24-9-1893
I know some of Elijah's children married but have no details as they moved away. Hope this is of some use and you can make sense of it. Where do they fit into your tree?
Best wishes ,Shawhurst
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Thank you very much for the information.
I hope you had a lovely Christmas and have a Prosperous New Year.
Regards
Gillian