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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: boogarbooz on Saturday 11 October 08 10:29 BST (UK)
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I am at a dead end at the moment with my research, an am looking for any help possible!!
I was recently given some new family information about a an ancestor whom I have been trying to locate for ages, which I am grateful for, but am stuck again. Can anyone help?
This is what I have:
Henry Rampling was born about 1821, I am led to believe by both family info, and court records he was born in or near Sudbury Suffolk, to a James Rampling and a Sarah, maiden name unknown. James was supposed to have been born about 1793 in or around Sudbury.
James and Sarah had at least 5 known children:
Henry b. abt 1821
John Edward (chr St gregory's Sudbury 12/11/1827)
James (chr St Gregory's Sudbury 9/9/1825)
and 2 daughters, although I cannot confirm this.
Henry was transported to Australia in 1839 as a convict. James went to NZ, then also settled in Australia about 1854. Johh went to London, and I have located on the 1881 census, but I have found nothing on the parents, or on Henry's birth/ Christening, or on his supposed sisters/
Could someone please help me shed some light on this?
Thanks!
Sherrie
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Hello and welcome to Rootschat. ;D
See the following thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,332750.0.html
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The nearest marriage I can find on Boyds index is the following, but don't know if it may be a bit early.
1804 / RAMPLIN JAS / JUBY SARA / BURY ST EDMUNDS ST MARY /SUFFOLK
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Hi Sherrie
I wonder whether the answer lies in Long Melford. The NBI shows that in St. Gregory, Sudbury in the period 1826 to 1860 there were just 2 entries for Rampling:
Sarah aged 7 buried 31/5/1830
Sarah aged 36 buried 5/7/1833
The older Sarah looks like she is is James' wife. I looked on the IGI for a Sarah Rampling bc.1823 and found:
Sarah Ramplin bp.18/6/1823 Long Melford dau. of James and Sarah
plus found:
Mary Ann Ramplin bp.15/4/1818 Long Melford dau. of James and Sarah.
I can't check on the Hugh Wallis site as it seems to have disappeared at the moment (as discussed on earlier threads) so don't know if all records for the main church at Long Melford are covered on the IGI although I think not. There are some entries for an Independent and looking at The Cosford Database shows there was a Rampling family there - there were at least 2 couples having children in Long Melford in the late 18th C namely a Peter and Mary (Salter) married 1796 Long Melford (Boyds) and a John and Hannah (possibly Hannah Ost 1789 Glemsford which is just a skip away from L.M.). James Rampling the elder could have been a child of either of these couples.
I don't know if this is a red herring but found at Long Melford on 1841 Census a John Rampling 15 with a Charles Steward 55 and Hannah Steward 65. Found on IGI a Charles Stewart (think should be Steward) married a Hannah Rampleing 27/2/1822 Long Melford. Since Hannah would have been around 46 at this time I wonder whether she was the widow of John Rampling and that James may have been a son of John and Hannah, with John Rampling 15 with Charles and Hannah at Long Melford in 1841 being the John Edward Rampling b.1827 (only a year out) and therefore Hannah's grandson. Worth a thought! (Hannah Steward was buried at L.M. 25/2/1847 aged 71)
With the 2 daughters being baptised at Long Melford in 1818 and 1823 seems likely that Henry's should be there too. Certainly the Long Melford coverage is very patchy on the IGI.
Hope this helps a little.
Annette
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According to Suffolk Marriage index, Hannah Rampling was a widow when she married Charles Stewart.
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Thanks for all the info, it's definitely worth looking into, and is sounding very very promising!! The James Rampling/Mary Sharpe parentage as discussed in another thread I have looked into and discounted because the Henry to that marriage turns up in Yorkshire with the entire family on the 1851 census, which means it can't be that family, as my Henry was in Australia at that time. I have gotten into countless arguments with others who continue to follow that line, despite the evidence to disprove it.
The deaths in Sudbury could explain why I can't find them on the census, and the girls being born in Long Melford could also explain why I can't find them either!
Thanks again for all your help!
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Hi Sherrie
Extracted from the Long Melford baptism register (as we have Ramplins elsewhere in the area):
15 April 1818 - Mary Ann Rampling dau of James and Sarah, of this parish, shoemaker
29 oct 1819 - Henry Rampling son of Mary Ann of this parish
4 March 1820 - Henry Rampling son of James and Sarah, of this parish, shoemaker
25 July 1821 - Susan Rampling dau of James and Sarah of this parish, shoemaker
18 June 1823 - Sarah Ramplin (as written) dau of James and Sarah of this parish, shoemaker
No more baptisms to them in Long Melford.
Nicola
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Mum thinks she may have been through the later Sudbury registers so is going to check what Ramplin(g) entries there are in those so will advise what if anything is found.
Nicola
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Thanks for that! Henry's age definitely fits with everything I have found so far!
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From Sudbury St Gregory registers:
9 Sept 1825 James Rampling baptised to James and Sarah of Walnut Tree Lane, cordwainer
12 Nov 1827 John Edward Rampling baptised to James and Sarah of St Gregory Street, cordwainer
The burials have been posted but the full details are:
31 May 1830 Sarah Rampling dau of James and Sarah of St Gregory Street, 7 yrs
5 July 1833 Sarah Rampling wife of James of St Gregory Street, 36 yrs
No other signs of this family in Sudbury.
There is a marriage in All Saints as follows:
?9 July 1793 John Ramplin and Sarah Hayward.
Don't know as yet what happened to them. We've extracted a lot of information on Ramplin(g) from the Sudbury and surrounding parishes as some are linked to our Hitcham Ramplings. When get a chance will see if we have any further info on this family. I think its safe to say that they are one and the same because of the profession. There is no sign of a James Rampling baptised in Sudbury around 1793 so I doubt he came from the parish unfortunately. As there is no sign of any of them on the census apart from John, it would tend to suggest they could well be yours.
Nicola
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Sherrie
Did James remarry at all?
Nicola
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Thanks for all that Nicola. I don't know if James remarried, as I cant find him on any census as yet!
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Hi,
just a quick note from Australia to let you know that James Rampling married Eliza Jane Williamson (of newry Ireland)
in Auckland NZ on 17 December 1850. Their first child was Susan Ann my G Grandmother b 11 November 1851 in Auckland d 14 May 1946 in Melbourne Victoria. James parents were James b 22 September 1893 and Sarah b about 1897 and may be the Sarah died 1833 Sudbury.
Susan Rampling married John Porter and Mary Ann Porter married William Porter ( brothers) and lived in Halstead as farmers at least until 1860. Susans daughter Charlotte b 1841 died about 1857.
Not sure about original Sarah Rampling or a re- marriage as I have seen a photo of James (about to embark to NZ) with his father and a woman who may be his mother.
John Edward Rampling was always refered to as Edward and may be the GG Grandfather of Charlotte the actress. Red hair was rampant in the family.
All for now.
Maurice
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Hi Maurice!!
I live in Oz too!!
I was given some info a few years back which stated that James (b. 1825) was a convict who was sentenced to 15 yrs transportation to NZ??? Have never confirmed this though. Does this make sense to you?
Do you have any other information going back on the family, I am at a complete loss on it all!
Kind regards,
Sherrie
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Hi Sherrie,
I will give you the first generation of the Aussie Ramplings as a starter. James' Rampling name has died out but I think Henries Ramplings name lives on in NSW. James Rampling and Eliza Williamsons children are:
Susan Ann b 1851 Auckland d Brunswick Vic. 4 May 1946. Married John Sutcliffe 14 September 1871 in Newtown Vic. near Scarsdale near Ballarat.
James Henry b 2 June 1854 d 7 Dec 1885 (Cancer) Scarsdale. Married Alice Elizabeth Aust 1877.
Margaret Rampling b1857 Ballarat d 5 June1936 Brunswick Vic. Spinster but source of Rampling letters of James.
John Patrick b May 1860 Newtown d 17 Feb 1861 Scarsdale.
Alfred b 1862 Carnigan Vic d 4 Oct 1927 Vic. Married Eleanor Sinclair 1880, b 1861 d 1950 Paynsville. She was possible Ballarat's first Postmistress.
John Edward b 1865 Scarsdale d 2 June 1946 Brunswick Vic. Married Sarah Bridges 1888, b 15 July 1867 d 1853 Fawkner Vic.
Henry Lloyd Rampling married Louisa Palmer 1851 Armidale NSW.
Sarah J b1853
Henry Lloyd b 1856 Adaminiby NSW d 1938
James Turner b 1858 Armidale d 1946, married Agnes E Jardine.
Edward James b1860 Armidale d 1939
Lloyd b1862 d 1937 married Helen J Pauline
Sofia b 1866 Tamworth d 1954 married Obed Dawson
I live in Gippsland where are you?
Regards Maurice
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Hi again Maurice :)
Yes Henry's branch does still live on. My maiden name is Rampling, I am descended from Henry Lloyd (b 12th May 1856 in armidale, d 13th June 1938 in Barraba) who married Louisa Palmer.
There are still a fair few of us around from Henry's branch here in NSW. I live in St Helens Park, about 45mins sw of Sydney.
I have compiled a fair bit on the NSW branch (Henry's line) but don't have much going back to England unfortunately.
Regards,
Sherrie
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Hi,
I am the last of one Rampling line but I cannot connect to any of the other Rampling Trees
My g g gfather was a Richard Rampling,
In 1838 he was father to my g gfather John Rampling Chandler. born New Norfolk St Stepney to a Mary Chandler of Bridge St Southwark.
At the time he was a licensed victualler but I cannot find him anywhere.
If any friends from down under have come across a Richard Rampling I would be grateful for any info.
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Is that from a birth certificate?
Did John go by the surname of Rampling or Chandler, have you found him in the census?
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Hi Sherrie,
thought you would like to see a letter from the past. Porters writing to James Rampling on the Ballarat Gold fields.
Going out tonight so this will do for now.
Regards Maurice
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Hi Maurice :)
Thanks for that! It certainly was an intersting read :D
Unfortunately nothing of the family made it down my line, but with Henry being a convict I wouldn't have expected there to be anything anyway!
Sherrie
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Hi Sherrie,
I did not answer your question about James being a convict. My belief is that he wasnt as he was dressed normally for the photo with his family and he married in NZ a year or so after arriving. He was listed on his marriage certificate as a farmer .
Here is a letter from the James (b1893) to James Rampling on Ballarat Gold Fields. He must have got onto gold as he sent money back to the familys in UK. He was a qualified bootmaker according to the letters.
The grammer punctuation etc is hard to understand so I copied them as written. When they used ss as in fussy they substitute an f. Anyway I hope a few UK cousins are watching what I send.
James must have been close to the Eureka Rebellion as his children were placed in the chimney to protect them from bullets during the fighting. There is a reference to James' bad luck but no idea what it is about but this is probably the first letter back after Eureka (Dec 1854)
Hopefully distant cousins in UK see these and find the originals sent to them.
A bit of useless information is that Phillip Rampling, his Grandson, was a sailmaker and made the first Australian Flag which won the flag competition.
Regards Maurice
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Hi Sherrie,
a quick reply to send another letter to you. The originals are at Latrobe Library in Melbourne and in pretty poor state. I gave them over for storage and will see if they can be released as digital coppies for the web.
Regards Maurice
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Hi Sherrie,
another letter and last from James in the UK. Hopefully a UK cousin can check UK deaths in Lambeth after this for his death. He doesn't seem to be in the best of health.
Regards Maurice
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Hi Sherrie,
one last letter for you from the Porters. I don,t think they came to Australia but a couple of sons are missing and worth pursuing. Rumors came to me that Porters were on the golfields at Scarsdale which was later in the 1860s.
Regards Maurice
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Hi Sherrie,
back again but this time with the Rampling photo taken in 1848 before James ships to NZ. He is holding hands with the woman so makes one think its his mother and the Sarah buried in Sudbury in1833 in not our GGG.
I have notified some of your previous commentors about what I am sending and hopefully they can come up with some answers.
Puts a face to those letters.
Bye now Maurice
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Hi Maurice :)
Finally had time to sit down and read thorugh all the letters.... what a wonderful insight into their lives! Thank you so much for sharing them.
When I get time I'll definitely have a look inot where the Porters disappeared to, it might turn up something interesting!
Sherrie
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Hi Sherrie,
by the look at the hits on letters and photo it has been worthwhile sharing the info. They are family letters and of great value to us all so it was sad they were going unnoticed.
For others looking I have just found several Rampling convicts to NSW so will write them all down including our Henry.
Henry Rampling arrived 27 Feb 1840 on ship Woodbridge.
Henry Rampling arrived 10 July 1837 on ship Mangles.
James Rampling arrived 25 April 1815 on ship Indefatigable.
Murgay Rampling arrived 31 Dec 1818 on ship General Stewart.
These may link with someone looking for lost relatives.
Bye for now.
Maurice
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Hi Maurice,
I have found this thread really interesting as I have been trying to trace my family tree for some time. I too am descending from Susan Ann Rampling born in Auckland, NZ on 11 November 1851. I was of the impression that her father James Rampling was transported as a convict to NZ in 1842. Maybe I have this wrong?
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Hello Maurice and everyone connected here,
I am directly descended from James Rampling - he is my great great grandfather on my paternal side. I have a friend helping me with family history so I am using his account. I am fascinated by the photo of James and two others taken circa 1848 ( and the family resemblance is strong), however some things don't quite add up - James lost his mother Sarah Rampling ( nee Hurrell ) born 1897 d 1833 when she was 36 and James was only 8, so this cannot be his mother in the photo. Also James was transported in 1842 when has 17 years old, so I think this photo ( if it is him ) must have been taken in New Zealand. His wife Eliza Jane Williamson was 9 years older than him, so this could be her, just a really bad photo, the other man may be the person who married them. I have also read the letters from his father and sister back in England which are interesting, thank you for posting these. It has been mentioned that he hid his children in the chimney for their safety during the Eureka Stockade, so I am wondering who has seen letters written by James back to his father recounting these events. I live in Malvern, and my brother David is the last Rampling in this line as he has four daughters. Looking forward to any further information, kind regards, Jenny Fletcher ( nee Rampling )
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