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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Mayo => Topic started by: THamilton on Friday 10 October 08 23:05 BST (UK)
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Anyone related to the Gaughan's from Belmullet? Peter Gaughan (born about 1845) married Mary Munnelly (born about 1847). They left Shraigh, Belmullet, County Mayo during the Free Emigration of 1883.
They and their three sons, Michael, Peter and James, travelled on board the SS Nestorian to Boston, MA. They settled in Scranton Area, Pennsylvania.
Trying to find out the parentage of both Peter Gaughan and Mary Munnelly.
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If they married in Ireland the marriage certificate should list their fathers' names and occupations as well as residences of bride and groom at time of marriage.
Might also be details of both parents on death certificates- depending on when and where Peter and Mary died and depending on how much the infrmant(s) knew when registering the deaths.
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Hello Trish
My name is Sean Gaughan - Id be interested to hear from you at my email (*) to discuss some of the matters youve mentioned here Best wishes
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See message from moderator. Try and reach me via PM.
Trish
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No problem Trish - I can understand their policy! Anyhow I thnk theres a possbility that your gg grandfather Peter Gaughan may have been a brother of my g grandfather John Gaughan also from Shraigh - their father was also Peter. Have you come any records of an Anthony Gaughan (born approx 1889) -n Scranton area there at any stage after 1920 - possibly a nephew of your Peter Gaughan- wondering if he went there to visit there or stay wth family at any stage - he was in NY n 1920. Are there any Gaughan descendants of Peter Gaughan there in Scranton area today?
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Received marriage record for Peter Gaughan and Mary Munnelly. Peter was from Shraigh and his father's name was Austin Gaughan. Mary was from Tallaghan and her father's name was Michael Munnelly. They were married 15 Feb 1868 in Belmullet chapel (RC).
Anyone related?
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I am very interested in the information that you posted. I also have a marriage record from the Belmullet RC church for Michael Munnelly and Catherine Padden dated 6 Oct 1858 and a baptismal record for Francis Munnelly dated November 1862 with sponsors Patrick and Mary Munnelly.
Michael and Catherine were my gg-grandparents. They emigrated to the Pennsylvania coal mining country (SW of Scranton) in 1863-64. Francis is my great-grandfather. There are several of us in the US researching this surname. I would like to talk further with you if possible.
Marianne Manley Granoff
Albuquerque, NM
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Not sure if it is relevant, but Frank in my previous message married Annie McGrew in Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania in 1886. Annie's mother was Ellen Gaughan. I do not know anything more about Ellen's family, but she is listed as Irish in the census records.
Many times immigrants from the same place in Ireland lived together in the same villages in Pennsylvania.
Marianne Manley Granoff
Albuquerque, NM
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Hi Marianne -
You and I have crossed paths before, I think.
My Mary Munnelly was born about 1847. According to her church marriage record, she was from Tallaghan and her father's name was Michael Munnelly. I don't know her mother's name. (Although, I am currently searching the name Eleanor or Nellie Reap as a possibility)
In some hand written notes from a relative, now deceased, the siblings of Mary Munnelly were Rose, Kate, Michael, Patrick and Dennis.
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My Michael Munnelly may have been from Carrowmore, but I do not really know. He was supposedly born 1838-1840. I don't suppose you know if your Mary Munnelly was the youngest or oldest of her siblings? Because Patrick and Mary Munnelly were the sponsors at Michael's son's baptism in Belmullet, this information sounds very encouraging. I do, however, know how common those names may have been at that time. I appreciate your passing it on.
One avenue I have pursued is y-DNA testing. There are a lot of people doing "genealogy by DNA" now. Males pass on a set of distinct genetic markers to their sons at conception. Over several generations, these markers still look the same in later male descendants, for the most part. The markers do mutate very slightly over time, and some markers mutate faster than others.
I am one of the co-administrators of the Manley/Munley/Munnelly y-DNA Surname Project at Family Tree DNA. We have a set of people that have been tested who are all descended from Munnellys in Mayo. They have some marker values that are different, and quite a few that are the same. So far, all of the descendants that have been tested have one marker value that is very rare. That implies that all the Munnellys from Mayo descended from the same person about 350-500 years ago.
My brother has had his DNA tested. He is a straight line male Munnelly descendant from those Munnellys in the Belmullet area. I would love to find someone who is a straight-line male Munnelly currently in the Belmullet area who would agree to be tested. The testing costs about $150.00 USD
if the person joins the surname project. I might be able to cover part of the cost with money that has been donated to the project.
At any rate, if you come up with any additional information about Mary Munnelly's siblings, I would b very interested.
Best regards,
Marianne Manley Granoff
Albuquerque, NM
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If you are a Munnelly (or varient) and are on Facebook please visit and join the group I created. It is called: Munnelly Connection.
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Greetings. I am beginning my research. Mary Munnelly was my great-great grandmother. Married on 15 Feb 1868 to Peter Gaughan in Belmullet, County Mayo. She had a brother, Patrick. I think her father's name is John. I have good information on Peter's son, Peter J. Gaughan (b. 1872, d. 1935) and his descendants. I would greatly appreciate any info on the Munnelly-Gaughan family tree.
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I need to get 3 posts to send a PM. ... The 3 sons of Peter Gaughan & Mary Munnelly (Peter J. Gaughan/ Michael Gaughan b. 1870, d. 1940 Lackawanna Co Pa./ and James Gaughan b. 2 Nov 1877, d. 6 Jun 1945).
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Peter J. Gaughan married Celia L. Brown in 1897 in Scranton or Jessup Pa. They had just one son, Austin P. Gaughan. b. 3 Aug 1903, d. 11 May 1989 in Buffalo, NY.
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Re: DNA testing MANLEY MUNNELLY
There is a Surname Project at FTDNA.com called "FORY" which was begun to try to trace our Irish ancestry. The name FORY came from "the descendants of Bartholomew "Bartly" FORD + Bridget MEARS and also James FORD (1836 Quebec-1908 Chicago IL) + Bridget FOY. We know they came from Co Mayo, and the marriage of Bartly + Bridget was recorded 6 Jun 1833 in Kilmoremoy Parish. Bridget MEARS is described as "of Bunree" which is today within Ballina.
Bridget FOY was b 25 Dec 1839 Ireland and died 01 Jun 1892 Chicago. In the course of our investigation we have learned that her parents were Patrick FOY (1797 Co Mayo Ireland)-(1860 Deerfield, Lake Co IL USA) + Catherine MANLEY or MUNNELLY (b est 1801 Clooneslane, Kelmoremoy Parish, Co Mayo, Ireland) (d 1860 IL). Siblings of Bridget FOY appear to be Martin b 1830, Mary b 1832, Peter b 1833, John b 1834, Ann "Nancy" b 1835, William b 1842, Patrick b 1844, Margaret L. "Maggie" b 1845, Michael b 1846, and Thomas F. 1849-1923). Some of them also lived in Chicago and Lake Co IL, USA.
We are discovering DNA matches with MANLEY/MUNNELLY and would welcome others to explore this connection, as well as to FORD or FOY. It is a small project but is growing!
Please visit Project FORY and contact the administrator to join.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Fory/
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Thought this might interest you guys, Dick Gaughan the Scottish folksinger and institution! His father was from Mayo, http://www.dickgaughan.co.uk/biography/index.html
Skoosh.
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I am also a descendant of Austin Gaughan of Shraigh through their daughter Mary Gaughan and her husband Philip Heffron/Heveran. I have a couple of documents related to Peter Gaughan & Mary Munnelly's family. Please message me.
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GG Gaughan, did Peter and Mary's sons all die in Pennsylvania? I can't believe I lived in Pennsylvania most of my life and didn't know I had Gaughan relatives there!
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Hi, I am searching for any information on my 2x great grand parents Barbara Gaughan and James Hart born around 1840 in County Mayo. There Children immigrated to Pennsylvania in 1880 but I can't find any records that James and Barbara ever lived here. If anyone has run across anything in their research about James Hart or Barbara Gaughan I would really appreciate a share!! Thanks
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Dennis is an unusual name in the MUNNELLY family, which might be a clue for you. I have 3 in my tree: 1) Dennis (1856-1904);Son of James MUNNELLY (1827-1875)+Mary CAROLAN (siblings Mary, Cormack, John....) 2) Living (not him) 3) Dennis Charles MUNLEY (1882-1942); son of Patrick MUNLEY (1846-1923)+Julia BARRETT (1852-1941); b PA; lots of siblings incl. Mary b 1890 b Winton PA; lived Jessup PA; m Sarah CLARK; sibling Mary b 1890 or 1908; Dennis registered for draft age 60 but died that year.
Grandparents of Dennis b 1882 are Michael MUNNELLY (1820-)+Ellen "Nellie" REAP/REAPE (1820-). Another child was Mary (1845-1907) who m Peter GAUGHAN (1844-1908) who was son of Austin (1800-1889)+Mary PERKINS (1815-1890).
I have dna matches to 5 MANLEY/MUNNELLYs; my ancestor Catherine b 1808, who m Patrick Edward FOY. They em. to Waukegan/Chicago IL 1845 but cousins in PA. I have lots of GAUGHAN cousins, in my MEARS/MEER family.
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Barbara GAUGHAN b abt 1847 Co Mayo was dau of Michael GAUGHAN (1811-)+Rose (1810-1874). In 1861 age 14 Barbara resided Liverpool, Lancashire, England. Confusing info: her mother d Doolough, Co Mayo 31 Oct 1874, so some part of this is likely incorrect, unless perhaps she accompanied another family to England? That sort of thing was not uncommon. Another tree shows Michael with a different wife Mary (1813-), unless Mary & Rose were the same person. A 3rd tree gives Barbara parents Thomas GAUGHAN (1810-1892)+the same Mary (1813-).
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Hi, I am searching for any information on my 2x great grand parents Barbara Gaughan and James Hart born around 1840 in County Mayo. There Children immigrated to Pennsylvania in 1880 but I can't find any records that James and Barbara ever lived here. If anyone has run across anything in their research about James Hart or Barbara Gaughan I would really appreciate a share!! Thanks
Can you tell us the children's names and ages, it might be possible to find the children's births or baptisms and hopefully work back to their parents marriage.
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Hi, I am searching for any information on my 2x great grand parents Barbara Gaughan and James Hart born around 1840 in County Mayo. There Children immigrated to Pennsylvania in 1880 but I can't find any records that James and Barbara ever lived here. If anyone has run across anything in their research about James Hart or Barbara Gaughan I would really appreciate a share!! Thanks
Can you tell us the children's names and ages, it might be possible to find the children's births or baptisms and hopefully work back to their parents marriage.
Owen Hart Born 1863 Ireland- Died July 9,1915 In Pittsburgh PA
Annie Hart Born 1973 Ireland- Died 1935 in Pittsburgh PA
I am not sure if there were other siblings, I only found Annie through searching death certificates and I realized that my Grandmother had signed it. Thanks so much for the assistance!
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Ten years is a big gap, there may be more in between.
Ages on death certs can be out as they depend on the person giving the information but working with what you have there are two possible hits for Annie one 1873 another 1874 both registered in Castlebar so that's an area to start searching church records.
Registration of births didn't start until 1864 and I only see an Owen in 1865 in Manorhamilton which isn't in Mayo so hopefully the birth year you have is correct.
This link from IrishGenealogy tool kit shows the Reg district of Castlebar
http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/image-files/registrardistrictsmapnorth2.jpg
if you look at the map of RC parishes, you will see the Reg district covers a couple of parishes so a few to get through.
http://registers.nli.ie/
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Oh dear neither of those Annie Hart appear to be yours
FamilySearch has these two
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP39-84W Father Partick
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FPTF-64V Father Martin
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Thanks for looking- I just feel like I am at a dead end! Unfortunately all of my older relatives have passed away and we never talked about it enough to know if Owen had other siblings. Like you said there is a huge gap between Owen and Annies ages so I'm guessing there were a few but I don't know if they survived or made the journey to America.
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I found something: Thomas HART/HARTE m Mary GERAGHTY; residence given Derryfadda, Mayo. He d 1879 Castlebar, age 79. found here: https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-65111.html w info if you want death certificate. This may be clue where to look.
Also, John O'HART (famous genealogist) was native of Crossmolina, b 1824.
Acc. to a Henry Travers HART of London 1907, HARTs were from Donegal. There were a group brought in fr. Donegal as weavers for the flax, my ancestor FOY turned into a farmer of flax.
Martin HART of Glenhest (Addergoole?) d 1900 age 42; m Catherine CROFTON abt 1894 (children 1895-1901) Maria, John, Julia, Martin.
One more: Edward HART of Tawnag East, Kilmainemore, Ballinrobe, Co Mayo. He m Cath. Linsky of Ireland. Son William b 4 Aug 1819 Ballinrobe, who came to Ohio, USA and m Margaret CULL.
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That's awesome! Thanks for all the leads! I have run across John O'Hart in my research as he would probably be of the generation prior to my James but I can't find anything on his family or any connection links to James or Barbara. Thanks again for the help!
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I was just playing around with the free search for Mayo on RootsIreland. It's limited what you can do with the search but I can't get a result for Owen Hart.
Good few James Hart.
They have two marriage records for Barbara Gaughan between 1862 and 1872, (each search is +/-5) no way of telling who she married without a sub.
There is one marriage in 1867 in the Civil Index so I guess the other should be before 1864. I don't see a James Hart match for the 1867 marriage.
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I just came across more of the HARTs due to a dna match in my MEER/MEARS family to CONBOY. Louisa Eliza CONBOY (1820-1897) m John HART (1815-1894). They were both b Co Sligo just outside Ballina, Co Mayo, and emigrated to Pleasant, Switzerland county, IN, USA. His father Hugh HART b abt 1795. One of Louisa-John's dau is named Barbara Anna "Barbary" HART (1860-1943), no doubt namesake for Barbara GAUGHAN. I also learned some pronounce GAUGHAN as "Giffen"...the GH is often an "F" in Scotland and "K" in Ireland. So keep that in mind as you look GAUGHAN=GOFF=MCGOFF=MCGUFFIN=GOOKIN=MCGOOKIN....pretty crazy!
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WOW- I checked my DNA matches for the Conboy name and I have quite a few matches - so I think this could be a really good lead for me! I also noticed that Johns son was named James as well as their daughter Barbara- I feel like I need to explore the records for Hugh Hart in Sligo to see if this was possibly James's father too! Thanks again for your help!
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Cami, I tried to send you a PM but it didn't work and I can't do this w'out a personal contact. I have a very small dna project at FTDNA and there are 3 HARTs in it. I would like to put you in contact with each other. Can you find me on Facebook? Search for Libbet. I am also in a Co Mayo genealogy group and Munnelly group there which often can help answer Q's. If you can send me a PM here that might also work. You & I may already have a dna match as well.
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Terrilbaby -
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Thank you for the support!
I am looking for FORD, FOY, MANLEY/MUNNELLY, MEARS/MEER/MYERS all from Co Mayo. I have a very large collection in my tree including "prospective" but not proven related. From Mayo they all went to Canada, USA (IL, PA, MD, MA, NY mainly).
I have posted 10x already.
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Yes! I would like to be involved in anything that would help me on my search- plus I love finding new cousins. I had my DNA done through Ancestry so I'm not sure how to compare those results with anything outside of that site. I have to admit I'm some what of a novice at the genealogy thing. I checked out the Mayo page- love it! Fascinating to see the Gaughans that still live there! I bet our DNA would be a match!