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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: frek on Friday 10 October 08 08:16 BST (UK)
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When people died while living at Seaton Sluice (I have certs) where should I look for places of interment please, and possible Mi's.?
Have any of the possible Churchyards, cemeteries been transcribed?
Dates: 1851, 1856 and 1875, 1894, 1905.
Surname: Broderick or Brotherick and similar.
Any help appreciated.
frek
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genuki, northumberland gives Seaton Sluice as Earsdon - worth a look at their pages for other info.
Cemeteries
Burial Registers 1860-1964, Purchased Grave Registers 1860-1902 and Burials Grant Books 1910-1957 for Blyth Civil Cemetery are available at Northumberland Collections Service.
also Pigots directory for seaton sluice 1828/9 section available here:
www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Earsdon
Diddy
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Thank you for the information.
frek.
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have you tried the familysearchlabs website it has parish records for Northumberland and Durham which you can search yourself.I know that some Seaton Delaval folk were buried in Seghill Holy Trinity churchyard,maybe Seaton Sluice folk were as well.You could also ask on the look up board for a death notice in the local paper to find out where they might be buried,although only the last two dates you mention might be available.
Steve
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frek,
I think Diddy and Steve have covered your options.
Within the "ancient" Parish of Earsdon ( Seaton Sluice-formerly Hartley Harbour, lay within Hartley, one of the eight "townships" that made up Earsdon Parish) there were several burial places.
From early times the church graveyard of the Parish Church of St Albans was the burial site for folk within the parish.
Then from about 1849 the church graveyard of the Holy Trinity of Seghill ( Seghill was another of Earsdon Parish's "townships") was available.
St Cuthberts of Blyth was a "chapel of ease", a satellite of the parish church at Earsdon. And it's small graveyard was used from 1859 to 1864.
Then Blyth Civil cemetery was established from about 1860. Known as Links Cemetery.
Both of the above two sites in Blyth ( the southern part of today's Blyth) lay in the "township" of Newsham, another of Earsdon parish's "townships".
Although within the bounds of Earsdon Parish, there were several churches of other religious denominations, I don't think any had their own graveyards. ( The RC graveyard of St Cuthberts, Cowpen lay within the parish area of Horton).
So I think your deaths in 1851 and 1856 are going to be in St Albans or Holy Trinity. Ditto for the next three deaths, plus Blyth Links cemetery.
These burial records accessible in Northumberland County record Office (Woodhorn), Tyne & Wear Archives (Newcastle) and Newcastle City Library and other places (e.g. Blyth Library).
What were your folks names ?
Michael Dixon
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Thank you for all your help. Thats a fair few to check - I'm going to be busy!.
frek.
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I just came across this forum. My family lived in Seaton Sluice from the late 1700s to the mid 1900s. As others have suggested, I'd try St Albans Earsdon. I can't see any mention of The Church of Our Lady, which is a tiny church that was originally the family church for Seaton Delaval Hall, just up the road from Seaton Sluice. My great grandparents and some other relatives are buried there.
I've got quite an extensive family tree, but I'm afraid Broderick/Brotherick isn't a name that rings any bells. My family name is Dickinson.
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Ann, it looks as though we are researching the same families of BRODERICK/BROTHERICK from Seaton Sluice. Am also looking for burials 1856, 1875, 1894, 1905. Happy to share and help if possible.
Rupali.
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Hi Ann, it looks as though we are researching the same Brotherick/Broderick's. I am also looking for burials 1856, 1875, 1894, 1905. I'm happy to help and share if possible. Rupali.
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Hi Rupali,
I'm afraid the Broderick/Brotherick family barely features in my tree. In fact until I came here, I wasn't aware that it featured at all.
For general information however, I took a walk around the small cemetery attached to the Church of Our Lady this morning. There were a lot of the old Seaton Sluice names there that I recognised, but no Brodericks. That isn't to say they don't exist there, many of the inscriptions were illegible and I suspect that some of the graves themselves were no longer visible. I've been told that a list has been compiled of all the burials, so I'll see if I can obtain a copy.
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Hi My family have lived seaton sluice/old hartley since 1500s just about all burials until 1900 were at Earsdon cemetery(ST Albans) after about 1900 Seaton private churchyard was allowed to be used. You will find the odd ancestor in Whitley cemetery as well as Blyth links cemetery The church yard at Earsdon is in a poor state as most of the graves are on the slope of the hill and are difficult find and not safe to walk around. Andrea
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What surnames are you researching Andrea? My family were in Seaton Sluice from the late 1700s, so we may have some common ancestors.
Ann
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Hi Ann my family in Seaton sluice started with the Learmouths on to Twizzel Black Swan Robinson 1800s were Cooks Hall Richardson and langley Thomas langley (The Hartley Hero) being my great grandfather. his children married Hay Stott Humble Sharp Dickinson Clark Brown all from around the Sluice Old hartley new Hartley and Hollywell area. Andrea
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Some of those surnames are familiar, and I certainly know of Thomas Langley, although I think Dickinson is the only name who could link to me.
At the risk of sounding like "Little Britain", for a long time, my family were the only Dickinsons in the village. In the late 1800s, another and much more prolific family, also called Dickinson moved there, so you may be tied into their family rather than mine. One or two of them still live in Seaton Sluice. Do you have any further details of the Dickinsons in your tree?
Another member here is researching the Brotherick family, who were also living in Seaton Sluice at that time. We've established a link between her family and mine that I was unaware of. It was a tight community in the 1800s and there were a lot of intermarriages.
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Hi again The Dickinsons in my family are through my mothers cousin Sarah(Sally) Sharp marring Wesley Dickinson I,m told by the Dickinsons still iving at the Sluice that some of them were lay preachers in the Methodist church they had a garage next to the Delaval Arms which was pulled down and a row of houses are on the site now. my Grandmother lived at the Dovecote and Bertram place and my mother was born East End which is now a farmers field Miss Crisp was my teacher at Blyth Grammar school and my mother new the Elders very well. My mothers cousins still living in the area were Laidler Hay Sharp Gleghorn Dixon Langley Smith Stott Humble and Willey I,ll check out Brotherick to see if they are in my tree anywhere.. Andrea
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Hi Andrea,
It's the "other" Dickinson family that you're tied into, although if we go back far enough, there's a good chance there'll be a connection somewhere. I do have an unconfirmed marriage between Eleanor (Ellen) Sankey Dickinson and Joseph Sharp. Ellen was born in 1859.
The Miss Crisp you mention is probably John Harris Crisp's daughter. Her cousin, Mary Ann (Minnie) Johnson taught at the local school in Seaton Sluice for many years. Another cousin, Jen Crisp also taught, although she moved away from the area when she married William Batton. My grandfather, John (Jack) Dickinson, who was a second cousin to Miss Crisp and first cousin to Minnie and Jen also trained as a teacher, although he never worked as one. (I often wonder if his cousins, all of whom were older than him, had taken all the available jobs by the time he qualified!!) He actually moved to Hebburn to find work as timekeeper at Hawthorn Leslie's shipyard.
It fascinates me, that at a time when women were expected to leave school, marry and raise a family, that that particular generation of my family clearly believed in educating their daughters as well as their sons.
The Elders appear first in my family in my great great great grandfather's generation and then again in the next generation. They were seafarers and had moved to Seaton Sluice from Suffolk. When I first started researching my family history, some 25 years ago, I had some long talks with Nancy Elder, who, as a child, had lived next door to my family on Rocky Island.
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Hi Belhay
Do you have any other Sharp names in your family? My family are from Hartley / Murton / Shiremoor via Yorkshire and Durham - GGGranda William Sharp (not involved in Hartley Pit Disaster, later in Ashington), GGranda Luke Sharp, Granda Walter Sharp.
I recently went on a hunt in Earsdon cemetery as Luke and my other GGranda Hugh Millar are in there somewhere - it's a mess if you want to find graves (only as far back as 1930 and 1943!) but a great nature reserve!
Thanks, Mick Sharp
Sharp Millar Middleton Brooks
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Hi My mothers aunt was mary elizabeth cook langley who married Watson sharp at old hartley about 1900. They had children Watson Dryden Sarah Mary Ada Minnie. I,ve lists of sharps in the hartley/sluice area and can check out deaths for EARSDON when I,m down at Woodhorn colliery archives(Northumberland archives) Unlike the churches in my area the Earsdon vicar keeps the only copy of the plan of the cemetery and the church is not open daily so whenever I,m down visiting relatives I,m not able to get any information. Most of the graves from about 1900and up to 1960 at least were built into the side of the hill and the area has eroded so its quite dangerous to walk on. When I have time in the new year I,ll dig out the list off Sharps that I have.
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Thanks. I don't think we're related.
Was up at Woodhorn a couple of weeks ago and looked at the burial registers for St Albans - Luke Sharp (my GGranda) is definitely in the cemetery somewhere. I know there's a number you can ring to get info about the graves and if you'd like me to do and have a look for anything you want - I'd like to find out where Luke is as well!
I know what you mean about the dangerous graves - I did a bit prowling around last week and it's in a state.
By the way, you can search the Northumberland Archives online and I know there are a few photos of Watson Sharp's house:
http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/catalogue/Quicksearch.htm?submit=Search+Catalogue
My GGGranda William was only in Hartley briefly (I think!). He is living there in 1874 when he married my GGGrandma Elizabeth Dobie. However, his sister Mary married Richard Bloomfield and are living in Quarry Row by 1881 so he might have moved up there and stayed with her.
Let me know if you want me to get the Earsdon info.
Thanks, Mick
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hi thanks for the offer to look up information. I have photos of Watson sharps house thanks my mother was born at the West End Old Hartley so I,ve photos of the area and I still have cousins and a niece living there. The only person I,m stuck on and so is everyone else it seems is Thomas Langley born 1796.died 1845 I know he is buried at Earsdon but I don,t know where On his childrens baptism records he states Stonemason of Jarrow but his marriage differs each time.between Tynemouth St Hildas, Earsdon, All Saints newcastle and I can,t find a marriage at any of these churches. I seem to have everyone else from the Old Hartley area accounted for. Earsdon churchyard hasn,t always looked a mess. I used to go there often in the 1950s 60s and the graves were all in neat rows going down the hill I,m glad my mother isnt able to see the mess its in now.
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I was quite surprised as well. I used to live in Shiremoor and I think my dad took me there when I was small (60s) and I seem to remember it being okay. He had no idea his granda (Luke Sharp (d.1930)was buried there. His other granda (Hugh Millar (d. 1943)) used to live in the same area so I'm just assuming he's buried there as well. I suppose they could be buried on the hill but as they were quite poor I don't know if they'd have a stone.
The last time I was there was, I think, in the late 70s for a relation's funeral and it doesn't seem to have grown much!
I'll enquire about Thomas Langley when I go.
Mick
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It wasn't too bad 25 years ago when I found my great great grandfather's grave near the Hartley Pit Disaster memorial, but I could weep at the mess it all is now. The last time I was there that whole area was completely overgrown. You could no longer even see any gravestones, let alone read them. Winter is certainly the best time to have any chance of searching successfully.
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Too right, quite upsetting. There is an information board at the bottom of the vehicle track promoting the nature/wildlife aspect of the cemetery, which really isn't any good for people looking for ancestors! Hopefully the vicar will be able to point me in the right direction!
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I lived in the Cannon Inn at Earsdon and was married at St Albans church. My parents ashes are buried near the church door.
I visited on New Years day and was extremely shocked to see the state of the churchyard.
I feel for people trying to trace relatives graves.
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I've just spoken to the vicar at St Alban's and have been told that no actual maps exist. He was very helpful - the plots (dating back to the 1700s) were only numbered and no actual names were entered on a register! This is because they thought a) who'd be looking for ancestors two hundred years hence?, and b) people knew where their recently-deceased relatives were. So, unless you know a plot number, you won't find anything.
However, some students did some research and they did manage to cross-reference something with something else so he has a very incomplete list of who's buried where. Unfortunately not my GGrandparents.
Mick
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Hi All
I have just started to photograph all available gravestones at St Albans. As many of you will know the church yard is in an extremely poor state and this makes getting good photographs very difficult. Hopefully I should have all stones photographed and transcribed by spring and will be available at http://www.gravestonephotos.com/index.php . You never know you could get lucky and find a family stone.
Gary
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Good luck Gary. Will obviously keep checking the site.
Mick
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Hi Gary, that's quite a job you're taking on - good luck!
I've been meaning to go up there to see if the undergrowth has died back enough to see my great great grandparents grave again, as I'd like to take a photograph of it. I'd better get a move on and see if I can uncover it sufficently for it to be included in your records too.
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Hi Annied
You might want to take a few days supplies of food and a machete with you you could get lost. Its in a terrible state. It took me 3 hours to get 400 photos and just scanning through them quickly I would say 40% are unreadable.
Just by contrast I have been at Gateshead East today and it is in excellent condition. Why should there be any difference between them.
Gary
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Have to agree - it's a mess. The council part, at the bottom of the hill, is fine but anything above that is a jungle (including what I assume might be the 30s/40s section at the bottom of the hill). Mick ???
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Hi Mick
You can bet your life if Charles Dickens was buried there the place would be immaculate.
Gary
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Hi Gary,
I've just got back and now have pics of my immediate family's burial plot and also a cousin's. Didn't quite need a machete, wellies and rubber gloves did the job nicely, although I had a minor panic on my way back to the car when I momentarily thought my car and house keys had dropped out of my pocket when I was attempting basic gymnastics removing dead branches and ivy from the plots! Unfortunately, the pics of the Dickinson plot aren't quite as sharp as I'd hoped, so I'll have to go back sometime and try again. I think I'll wait until I have company though. I'm not nervous by nature, but it's extremely isolated there and I'd like to have a better look around without feeling the need to look over my shoulder all the time. (I have to thank you by the way, for putting the idea of going there NOW into my head!)
It was nothing like as bad as when I was there in the summer, but I'll post a general pic I took just so's people who don't live close by can see what we're on about. Come the summer, it'll be thigh deep in nettles along with everything else and completely impenetrable.
Along with those of my own family, I did notice several of the old Seaton Sluice names in the area around the Hartley Pit Disaster Memorial by the way.
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Hi Annied
Its Just as well you didn't bump into me yesterday, I must have looked a right site all wrapped up with my woolly hat on. You would never know what might pop out of the undergrowth. As you say it must be a nightmare in the summer when all the vegetation is in full swing.
Gary
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Well done Annie, glad you found your family's plots.
Those photos look really good but I think there are an awful lot of smaller stones that don't even make it up above the vegetation! Having said that, I'm now pretty sure that my great granda is more than likely in an unmarked grave. Gary, if you do come across a Mary Sharp (d.1929) or a Luke Sharp (d.1932) then please let me know.
Thanks
Mick
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Hi Mick
I have made a note of the names if I find them I'll let you know.
Gary
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Thank you very much Gary.
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Hello Gary,
I have a photo taken in the 1930s of the family burial plot of my gt-grandparents, Samuel and Jane BIRD, of Bates Cottages, Holywell. Unfortunately the angle at which it was taken doesn't give much clue as to its location but it was a huge headstone and I thought it would be simple to locate. I was horrified at the state of St Alban's churchyard when I first went looking (unsuccessfully) a couple of years ago. I tried again (unsuccessfully!) last October when things were marginally better as I think there had been a 'clear-up' day with volunteers earlier in the year. If you do come across a stone dedicated to the BIRD family -Elizabeth Jane (d 1905), Jane (d 1909), Samuel (d 1926) and Thomas (d1937)- I would be very grateful to hear about it.
Good luck with your work.
Kath
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Hi Kath
What was your great granda's occupation?
Before I went to the graveyard I would have thought that, being a miner, my great grandad would have been quite poor and could not have afforded a stone. However, there are loads of miners, blacksmiths, even joiners in there who have what I would call quite grand stones!
Makes you wonder what happens to them!
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Hi Kath
I have made a note of the names and I will certainly look out for them. I seem to recall seeing Bates Cottages but it is quite hard to flick through the photographs. It is much easier to transcribe the stones one by one into a database, in that way I can search for a given name. I look forward to finding your lost stone.
Gary
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Hi Annied
Its Just as well you didn't bump into me yesterday, I must have looked a right site all wrapped up with my woolly hat on. Gary
I was no oil painting myself!!
I remember getting quite a surprise when I found my family's plot and discovered it was a double one with an impressive headstone. My great great grandfather had been a bottle factory labourer and then, when the bottle factory closed down, a general labourer at the pit. He also had 8 children and money must have been extremely tight, so like you, I wasn't expecting anything nearly so grand. The Johnson's, to whom I'm also related and who have a similar background, are close by and their plot is much the same. My guess is that they'd all signed to to a savings/insurance scheme with the Co-op!
Mick, I originally found my great great grandfather's plot 25 years ago, so I knew pretty much exactly where to look this time. I'm sure I saw a Sharp headstone in passing, so will take a better look when I'm there next time.
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Thanks, Gary
There is a stone to a family from Bates Cottages, in an accessible place by a path, but unfortunately, not my lot!
Mick, My gt-grandfather was a humble miner, one of many who came from Norfolk to work in the North East. I was surprised when I saw the photo of the family plot he'd purchased, with a beautiful headstone and grave surround. Pity that it's now hidden somewhere in the so-called 'conservation area'. Th first time we went we were smartly dressed as we were going on to visit relatives in Holywell; last time we knew better and took wellies and old trousers!
Kath
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Hi Kath
I have just looked through the first 100 or so pics and have found 2 references to Bates Cottages, unfortunately neither one is the one you want. I will continue to look for the stone. Just to add further to the Grandiose of some gravestones. Many miners where killed at work and more often than not a Gravestone was erected as a result of fellow miners contributions.
Gary
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I used to live in Earsdon as a child and when I visited the Graveyard on New Years Day I had a look at the Hartley Pit Disaster memorial .
I and my friends used to spend many hours looking at gravestones in the old cemetary - being very interested in anything local.
I had earlier been looking at details of the disaster on the web and noticed some ROBSONS born in Backwoth and Earsdon. There was a Ralph ROBSON whose wife Ruth gave birth to a son CARR ROBSON on 22/7/1862 , some 6 months after the accident.
I have numerous CARR ROBSONS in my family , my gr gr gr garndfather JOHN ROBSON from Slaley who married Mary CARR in 1763 and St Giles in Durham where my gr grandfather CARR ROBSON was born in 1832. I know there must be other alliances between ROBSONS and CARRS giving rise to the name CARR ROBSON but as there seem to be so many of them in and around Earsdon and nearby mining areas I was wondering if anyone could give me any more information on these families.
Irene
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Hi all
This is probably the wrong place to have a rant but here it goes.
Having spent the last 4 hours trying to transcribe the gravestones in St Albans, Earsdon, I became so frustrated at the sheer neglect that I feel I need to rattle a few cages somewhere. The church yard is an absolute disgrace. Its a wonder anyone living within a 10 mile radius of the place can sleep of a night due to the rotating of the poor incumbents of said church yard. What a kop out to turn a sacred place into a nature reserve. There are 100s of 1,000s of acres of land that we can turn into so called "nature reserves" without encroaching on our church yards. Our forebearers worked, built, fought and died for the communities in which they lived and we owe it to them to keep there final resting places sacred and a place for their descendants to come and enjoy. It really galls me when local authorities can throw £200k on a bamboo bridge that no one can use in the name of "Tourism". Why not give 20 churches £10k each to sort out burial grounds. I would bet as many " Tourists" would come in search of their ancestors, and as such would spread so called "tourism income" across a wider area of the county as apposed to just one place. I apologize if I have upset anyone, well unless your in a postion to rectify aforementioned atrocity, but my intentions comes from the heart. I fully intend to pursue this matter. Lots of people make lots of money out of Genealogy its about time they started give us something back.
Rant over
Gary
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Gary
I have to agree with you on all of your points, and not only because I can't find my great grandparents in the graveyard. Anyone can turn anywhere into a nature reserve - you just neglect the area and put up a board saying that the area has been selected for transformation into a nature-rich reserve, then take all the credit from the local wildlife enthusiasts. There appear to be similar nature reserves all around that area, especially at nearby Backworth where former colliery land (where I would imagine many of the St Alban's churchyard miners worked) was ripe for reclamation.
A local librarian warned me before I went there that the part of the cemetery belonging to the church was a mess, but I would have thought that North Tyneside Council had some responsibility to maintain all of it to a standard where graves were actually visible? It is a burial ground after all, and a tie to our own personal pasts.
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Mick
As you might be able to tell I care passionately about graveyards. There is so much information to be had from Headstones. But more than that, it is our heritage that is being flushed down the toilet, and for what, It's certainly not progress more like regress.
Gary
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I Know this is off topic but I came across this fascinating history of Earsdon and surrounding villages. Its worth a read. http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/northumberland/earsdon.html
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What a great article.
A lot of the info on the village of Earsdon itself I already know but the info on the larger Parish of Earsdon is really interesting.
I am trying to find information about Earsdon village and its inhabitants around the time of the Napoleonic wars and perhaps earlier. Can anyone tell me where to look?
Irene
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Hi Irene
I am always looking for information. If I come across anything I will let you know.
Regards Gary
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Gary, I'm with you 100%. I'd like to keep my family's burial plot tidy, but I know that come the summer, it'll be completely inaccessible to me because it'll be surrounded by 3' high nettles. I'm one of the lucky ones in that the headstone is relatively clear of ivy and still easy to read.
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Hi Annie
Thanks for your vote of confidence. The first round of emails went off this evening lets see how long it is before they reply. I won't leave it to long mind you I still have 80% of the gravestones to photograph and I don't want to have to have Sherpa guide to help me do it.
Gary
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Gary, please PM me when you plan to go there next and if I haven't got anything on, I'll make another visit at the same time. Like I said in an earlier post, I'm not that keen to go there on my own as it's so isolated, but I'd like to get some sharper shots of the family headstone and have a better look around in the hopes that I might find some more of my relatives.
As we discussed earlier, a lot of the folk buried there, including my family, were very poor. It must have been a source of great pride to them to be able to leave a plot and a "grand" headstone behind. That it's all been left to fall into such an overgrown mess shows a lack of respect that takes the breath away.
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Hi all
A quick update re St Albans. First reply came back last night. Quote
"Thank you for your enquiry. The responsibility for the upkeep of the church yard rests wholly with North Tyneside Council. It has done so for 25 years. The council also has a responsibilty for topple testing gravestones and this work is on going, though repair and maintenance of headstones rests with the family and heirs of the deceased. If you have concerns then you can contact Bereavement Services at the Council."
Next step North Tynside Council.
Gary
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Hi Its great to see that so many of you are interested in Earsdon churchyard. I must have hundreds of relatives buried there having Learmouths from 1580 living at Old hartley. The only headstone which I can whithout risking limb is Thomas langley 1840 1885 which is one of the few by the church. Even so my husband had to use a stick to get past the nettles. You would think that the council workmen would have the sense to place the headstones with the names upward when laying them flat. A hint for the sharp famliy. most of them buried after 1900 are in Seaton churchyard. Names available for anyone interested. The Sharps are connected to the Langley dickinson dixon tully watson bewick smith stott hay willey learmouth cook hall swan blacks, families of old hartley and seaton sluice to name but a few. Old hartley was pronounced as Hartla And Seaton sluice as the Pans by anyone born there. the Astley Arms only ever know by the area the Boiling Well. The area was quite prosporous in 1800s shipping salt and coal and headstones for graves were easily come by due to the many stonemasons in the area (for anyone that is who had more relatives than a widow to pay for them) Andrea
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Hi Andrea
That is really usefull information regarding family names. I do notice a trend for certain families to be prominent in certain places. I was talking to a lady who was walking her dog in the church yard, she was born, bred and still lives in the village, and that she had over 300 members of her family buried at St Albans. She was extremely informative and an absolute pleasure to listen to. I never thought to ask her name.
Gary
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Yes, thanks Andrea.
I'm not sure what my family's links are with Hartley. Suffice to say that my great great grandad William was living somewhere there when he married Elizabeth Dobie in 1879 (at St Alban's!). One of William's sisters (Mary) married Richard Bl(r?)oomfield and was living in Quarry Row, Hartley, from about 1881. There is, I suppose, the possibility that she took her brother in for a while. Prior to this, my branch of the family were in Durham. I'm hoping there were relatives already in Hartley.
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hi I,ve looked at the census for quarry row new hartley 1881 and William Sharp of durham is not in the area He is however in the colliery rows at Ashington 1891 1901. There is a William Sharp in the Workhouse Durham 1871. I,ve checked through my Sharps and can,t find any connection with William of durham My mother moved from Old Hartley to quarry row New Hartley in 1921 and I have vague recollections of the row but it was up towards Hartley Pit. she had a wonderful memory and I should have asked her more about the area years ago. Andrea
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Hi Andrea
I,m not long back from St Albans. I came across a Gravestone for Anthony & Mary Sharp born around 1700.
are these part of your family? . Its one of the oldest stones I have come across at St Albans.
Gary
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Hi Andrea,
I noticed that you mentioned the surname Laidler in connection with your mother's cousins and you also said that your mother had a cousin named Dryden Sharp. Is there a connection to Matthew Laidler who married Susannah Dryden in 1837? They had a son named Andrew Dryden Laidler, born at Hartley in 1841, who in turn had a son named Andrew Laidler, born at Earsdon in 1888. In 1909 this Andrew married my great-aunt, Eveline Bird, daughter of the Samuel and Jane Bird whose gravestone I have been trying to find in St Alban's!
Kath
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re Laidlers My mothers bridesmaid was her cousin Elsie laidler of new Hartley but apart from the laidlers being called Mathew and Andrew and now having a large Fruit and Veg business I don,t know a lot about them. The reason men in our family were called Dryden had nothing to do with the surname although I know there was a Dryden family in Old Hartley Our family were named after the ship that my greatgrandfather was captain of when he died. SS Dryden. I haven,t yet found out if the ship was owned by the Dryden family of the area. I,m waiting for the 1911 census coming to tell me which Hay sister married a Laidler. Andrea
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hi anied could you please help me with my family tree im also a dickinson john ,james,thomas,margaret,wesley,benjamin some are at the seaton church
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Hi there, I'd be happy to help, but I think you come from a different Dickinson family - unless there were intermarriages I don't know of.
My family arrived in Seaton Sluice in the late 1700s and, to coin a phrase, were "the only Dickinsons in the village" for almost 100 years, which, incidentally, made them very easy to research. I think it was the 1871 census when another Dickinson family appeared, having migrated to Seaton Sluice from, I think, Lincolnshire. (I'm going back some 25 years here, as that's when I did the bulk of my research, so my memory of exact dates and places is iffy to say the least.) John and James are certainly names that appear through the generations of my family, but Wesley and Benjamin definitely belong to the other family.
I understand there are still members of the later family living in Seaton Sluice. To the best of my knowledge all the Dickinsons left in Seaton Sluice are descendants of them, although I'd be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong!
Do you live locally?
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hi I think these are the dickinsons yoiu are looking for
Frederick 1899-1931 married Dorothy Bell
Septimus 1896-1950
Joseph1892-1949
Thomas 1891
Henry 1888
Isabella 1886
George 1879
Ben 1886
John 1884
margaret 1881 alice 1876
Wesley 1903-1970 married my mothers cousin Sarah Sharpe
children are Watson 1926 Olive 1927 Elsie 1938 Marjorie 1944
Olive and another sister still live at Seaton Sluice
not up to date on the Earsdon news I,ll have to stop going on holiday but I,ll let you know a bit more of Dickinsons if you need
belhay
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yes they are please can you give me more info belhay margeret and thomas relatives at seaton delaval
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i live at west monkseaton
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hi again some of this information is mine but some was given to me by a relative of the dickinsons who contacted me on GenesReunited.
The relatives who live at Seaton sluice dont use a computer and aren,t interested in family trees but are quite happy to receive any information, however heres some of what I have regarding Margaret Jane1881 born leadgate durham married Henry Robson in 1904 death 1966 their daughter Ethel 1905-1991 who married Everett lentz 1921 Coulville Illinois and John Williamson 1922 buried USA
Thomas 1891-1961 married Margaret Collier 1885-1977
children were winifred 1912-1998 margaret 1913-1915 thomas 1918-1961 nancy 1920-1977 wesley 1926-1999
In the booklet seaton sluice and old hartley(in most Northumberland libraries) you,ll find a photo of watson sharpe wife mary elizabeth cook langley and daughter sarah sharpe who married wesley edwin dickinson. The family had a garage which is now housing right next to the Delaval arms. a couple of the men were lay preachers in the methodist church at old hartley(my mothers information)
Oh forgot!!! father of the gang was Benjamin dickinson 1854 of Brotherloft Lincoln death 1934 a methodist preacher and haulage contractor wife Margaret sturroch 1838 north shields married 1875 tynemouth
Belhay
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i live at west monkseaton
I'm just on Whitley Lodge, so if you wanted to come round and compare notes, you'd be very welcome, although I've never found any link between the 2 families.
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hi thanks for the offer. I live on the borders Norham but I,m down the Blyth area a lot. my son lives newbiggin and my sisters and brothers around blyth.. I,ve building work going on the next few weeks but I,ll see you around Whitley after that. I get most of my information from woodhorn colliery and berwick archives.. Belhay
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Hi, my grandfather was Thomas Dickinson of Seaton Sluice, my father was Andrew, Thomas, Edward Dickinson, Wesley (1999) I belive was my granfather's brother.
1st go at this, but I will get up to speed,,,
A Dickinson Whitley Bay now Blyth, would appreciate feed back,
THANKS
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Hi GazaD and welcome. There were 2 completely unrelated families both with the surname Dickinson living in Seaton Sluice from the late 1800s onwards. I think your grandfather probably belongs to the family mentioned by Bellhay and e. dickinson in earlier posts.
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Thanks for the response, I shall look into it further; as I become more familar with the site I have read through other posts, I think my immediate link is as you stated, as I believe the Dickinson's from Seaton sluice you have mentioned who have give you some information are my Father's (Passed) Aunts.
GazaD
A Dickinson
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Well done Annie, glad you found your family's plots.
Those photos look really good but I think there are an awful lot of smaller stones that don't even make it up above the vegetation! Having said that, I'm now pretty sure that my great granda is more than likely in an unmarked grave. Gary, if you do come across a Mary Sharp (d.1929) or a Luke Sharp (d.1932) then please let me know.
Thanks
Mick
I am also looking for Sharps - my grandfather was William Sharp b1913 in Durham. I have seen Luke and Mary Sharp somewhere in a churchyard. Possibly St Albans - I looked there years ago but it was before digital cameras and I have no photographs. I will check back in my old notes.
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I have a photograph of a gravestone in The Church of Our Lady at Delaval of a Sarah Ann Brotherick - formerly McCall (which is where my interest lies). She was the widow of Alexander McCall.
Angela
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Thanks for the response, I shall look into it further; as I become more familar with the site I have read through other posts, I think my immediate link is as you stated, as I believe the Dickinson's from Seaton sluice you have mentioned who have give you some information are my Father's (Passed) Aunts.
GazaD
A Dickinson
Your on the same dickinson family as me. Sally (sarah ) sharp was my mothers cousin and she married Wesley dickinson
belhay Some of the family still live at seaton sluice. belhay
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Hi my name is Wayne Broderick formerly Brotherick......im quite a way back with the family and believe i can help....
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wayne broderick here formerly brotherick.....maybe i can help
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Hi, can you enlighten me on Hannah Dickinson who married into the Elder's of Seaton Sluice? My grandfather's family were all from there and I think we are related (from the things I have read on this site)
Richard
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Hi Richard. It's good to come across a connection to "my" Dickinsons!
I don't have a complete record, as Hannah isn't in my direct line, but this is what I do have. (If you come across any additional details, please pass them on.)
The Hannah Dickinson to whom I think you refer was born in Seaton Sluice in 1829. She married John Elder on 10.4.1851. Her daughter Ann Dickinson Elder was born in 1853 and I have a note of a second, but unconfirmed birth, Mary Ann Elder in North Shields in 1860.
Hannah's parents were John Dickinson (my ggg grandfather), born 21.3.1795 at Seaton Sluice, baptised 28.3.1795 at Earsdon and Ann, born around 1822 at Seaton Sluice(I think Ann's maiden name may have been Sankey, but that's unconfirmed.) John died before the 1841 census but I don't have an exact date. I don't have a date of death for Ann.
Their other children were:
Mary, born in 1823 at Seaton Sluice, married at Earsdon on 1.5 1845 to William Elder, born 1822 or 23. Their daughter, Mary Susan Elder was born in May 1855 and died on 18.11.70. William Elder died 19.6.1861, but I don't have a date of death for Mary. ( I do have an unconfirmed note that Mary may subsequently have married a Mr Brown.)
John (my great great grandfather) was born at Cramlington and baptised on 3.4.1825. He married Elizabeth Forster, born in Seaton Sluice in 1827, at Tynemouth on 26.8 1848. John died 9.3.1883 at Seaton Sluice, Elizabeth died on 28.02.1896. They had 9 children that I know of. (I can give you details if you'd like them, but I won't clutter up this post with them as they're not in your direct line.)
Stephen, born at Seaton Sluice in 1836. I don't have any other details for him.
Hannah's grandfather was Robert Dickinson born in Grindon and baptised 11.5.1762. He married Elizabeth Davy, born in Cambois and baptised 16.6.1768. She was still on the 1851 census return for Seaton Sluice, but again, I don't have an exact date of death.
Unconfirmed, but probable great grandparents are John Dickison (note the alternative spelling) of Grindon Mill who married Alice Maughan on 25.6.1759
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Hi Kath
I have just looked through the first 100 or so pics and have found 2 references to Bates Cottages, unfortunately neither one is the one you want. I will continue to look for the stone. Just to add further to the Grandiose of some gravestones. Many miners where killed at work and more often than not a Gravestone was erected as a result of fellow miners contributions.
Gary
Hi Gary,
We have ancestors resting in Earsdon Cemetery. Names Thew, Taylor & Dixon to name a few. Did you happen to take any snaps of these names. We also have a connection to Bates Cottage, but would need to check my tree for that. We are many miles away in Australia. Hubby's father & Grandparents ect were born in Seaton Sluice.
Many thanks
Kind regards
Bev
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Hi Bev
I have got some indexes of the plots in St Alban's. We have formed a St Alban's Earsdon Graveyard Group, with the intention of making an online resource/database of the graveyard.
I'll have a look in the indexes to see if there are any Thews, Taylors, or Dixons. Do you have any dates for them, as the indexes cover the graveyard, not the Council-run cemetery at the bottom of the hill.
Thanks, Mick
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Thanks Mick,
I do have some dates and full names on my PC which I just shut down... I will look them up in the morning and post.
Regards
Bev
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Bev
We have got in the indexes:
Thomas Thew, d.9.7.1843, aged3
Margaret Thew, d.4.9.1865, aged 22
Philip Thew, d.18.3.1872, aged 20
Thomas Thew, d.30.12.1876, aged 65
William Shield Thew, d.21.9.1881, aged 14
Thomas E. Thew, d.12.11.1885, aged 20
Eleanor Thew, d.23.9.1898, aged 83
They are all buried in plot A146.
Thanks
Mick
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Bev
We have got in the indexes:
Thomas Thew, d.9.7.1843, aged3.
Margaret Thew, d.4.9.1865, aged 22
Philip Thew, d.18.3.1872, aged 20
Thomas Thew, d.30.12.1876, aged 65
William Shield Thew, d.21.9.1881, aged 14
Thomas E. Thew, d.12.11.1885, aged 20
Eleanor Thew, d.23.9.1898, aged 83
They are all buried in plot A146.
Thanks
Mick
Thank you Mick, Thomas & Eleanor Thew nee Dickson are 2x Gr. Grandparents. William Shield Thew is their Grandson.
William son of Thomas & Eleanor of above.
Annie Eliza Thew nee Milbourne died at New Hartley June 1898 63 years
William Shield their son
Thomas Edington son died November 1885 20 years,
Isabella Jane daughter died 1893 28
Maggie daughter died April 1895 25 years
Margaret Taylor abt 1834
Alice Taylor nee Oxen from Hartley Water Mill 1839
Thomas Taylor (husband)
Thomas Taylor (son) Drowned
Margaret Coxen (Daughter who died at London) 1834
James Taylor 1835
William Ingles Thew 1944
Mary Thew nee Knox 1946
Regards
Bev
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Eleanor Thew was a sister to my great great grandmother, Jane Dixon. I would love to correspond with you. I may have information for you that might be useful.
This is my first time logging in to roots chat so I'm not sure how to go about doing that so please have patience with me until I get this all figured out.
Thank you,
Jane Isabelle
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wayne broderick here formerly brotherick.....maybe i can help
I found this thread and am hoping you can help me. I have a Mary Brotherick born Dec 1856 Seaton Sluice and she married a Thomas Ramsay in 1878. I have her parents as Robert Brotherick and Frances Grant. I have unable to find a death for Mary. If you have any photos of the Brotherick or Ramsays I would love to see them.
Jenny
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Hi My family have lived seaton sluice/old hartley since 1500s just about all burials until 1900 were at Earsdon cemetery(ST Albans) after about 1900 Seaton private churchyard was allowed to be used. You will find the odd ancestor in Whitley cemetery as well as Blyth links cemetery The church yard at Earsdon is in a poor state as most of the graves are on the slope of the hill and are difficult find and not safe to walk around. Andrea
I have just found your post. I am researching a Thomas Ramsay married Mary Brotherick born 1856 Seaton Sluice. I am very interested in any information on these family's. I know Thomas and Mary had a daughter Jane born 1881 Seaton Sluice. If you have any photos of a grave stone or any photos of the above I would greatly appreciate a copy of.
Thanking You
Jenny Ramsay