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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: DevonJewel on Wednesday 08 October 08 11:03 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I guess we're still very much the novices, we've been working on our tree for about three years now and have a good tree back to 1814 but seem to be totally stuck there.
With Richard Bat(t)ley and wife Sarah christening their son Richard on 16 Sept at Burnham in Essex - father's occupation described as a Serving Man (so sailor or servant?).
I live in Devon so Essex isn't somewhere I can just pop into. I've written to a couple of people in the Essex local history but they personally didn't have any info.
We've been widening the tree in the hope of having a breakthrough but at present we seem to have been working at it the longest.
Any suggestions where we can go from here please ?
DJ
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A negative response I am afraid. I have checked Burnham on IGI and it is not listed. I have also searched BIVRI and could not find anything of help there either.
Knowing Rootchatters I would be very surprised if someone does not come up trumps for you.
Dont lose heart, for 11 years I had been trying to push my paternal line back when a couple of weeks ago a member put me on the right line and I found 6 new ancestors.
Good luck
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Hi,
Do you have a request for this under the name Bill on Genoforum in 2007??
If not someone else is researching this line. Has Richard as Richard Henry Battley, born 1814.
Trish
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Hi Yes, Bill is my eldest uncle's grandson and we are working on the tree together - and just can't seem to get past this at the moment. The tree gets wider and wider as we look at all the "side shoots" but haven't managed to get further back.
DJ
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Hi
Have you considered the marriage on the IGI for
Richard Battley
Sarah Ann Churchyard
10th August 1809
St George the Martyr, Southwark
Rosie
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Hi,
No that's a new one on me. I seem to have problems with IGI.
Tell me more any other children? Or would I be able to send for the document ? Would it give their parents' names.
Sorry, I'm exited, too many questions.
DJ
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:) :) :)
Hope its the right one.
Cheers,
Trish
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Hi
Have you considered the marriage on the IGI for
Richard Battley
Sarah Ann Churchyard
10th August 1809
St George the Martyr, Southwark
Rosie
I went and found it on IGI but tried to download it and my machine tries to stop it and then when I click to allow the download, its a file I don't recognise and can't open so - can you explain more please or do I have to go somewhere to see it?
Sorry if I'm asking the obvious but I want to learn.
If it is Richard's parents and he wasn't born till 1814 presumably there should be brothers and sisters older than him out there somewhere.
DJ
DJ
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Hi
Sorry I didn't come back to you earlier, I'd answered your query during a break from decorating ???
From the Hugh Wallis site it does not appear that the IGI has any baptisms for this church. I don't think that you can download anything constructive from the IGI it is really more like a finding aid, more information is generally only obtainable from the Parish registers. Perhaps someone is able to do a look up for you, I am afraid my research isn't normally in London so I am not sure where the PR's would be for this parish but I'm sure someone on here could help if you post a look up for it.
Rosie
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I'm pretty sure that the parish registers fro Southwatk are held at the London Metropolitan Archive, Northampton Road, EC!. I can't be certain because their website is, at the time of writing, not available. But when it is up you should be able to check it out for sure
The website is back online. If you just google LMA it should be 4th hit. Click on that and follow the link for London Generations and follow instructions there. Loads of registers for Saint George Southwark
You may also be interested in link to the digitisation project with Ancestry referred to on that site
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The Battley/Churchyard marriage is on Pallots index. It states that Richard was of the parish of St. Gregory in London, they were both single and the marriage took place by licence.
Marriage Licence Allegations Index - Vicar-General 1694-1850
The marriage is listed here on the Originsnetwork. It costs £10 to purchase a hard copy of the licence. I havd no idea what details it might include.
Licence date = 17th July,1809
http://www.originsnetwork.com/
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Thanks for the info Sue,
Look like it's worth following up although I don't know how I can definitely connect it to our earliest known record of Richard Battley and Sarah (surname not stated) at the baptism of their son Richard in 1814 in Burnham Essex.
I would have thought they would have had more children before 1814 perhaps girls as the son was called Richard, but I suppose they could have had an older son perhaps named after Richard's father if that was the done thing then.
Any other thoughts on a way forward or of positively linking it all - I know I'm asking a lot!
The only other clue we have is the 1851 census (which I don't have) where Henry Battley aged 7 is staying with his grandmother called Sarah White HO107 Piece 1511 Folio 80 Page 4 - so presumably Richard Battley has died and she has remarried and Mr White has died - or I suppose it could be his mother-in-law.
I'm sure there must be a way through - somewhere.....?
DJ
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I don't know if you have any of this information. Between 1851 and 1861 Richard Battley jun. gained another wife. In 1851 he is married to a Harriett, found the following marriage on Boyds marriage index.
1825 / BATLEY RIC/ SAVILL HARRIET / WESTMINSTER ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE / MIDDLESEX
If you haven't got the census details, let me know and I will post them for you.
I also couldn't find any Battleys/Batleys in Essex in the 1841 census, so perhaps Richard senior could have been a sea faring man of some description.
When putting the name Richard Battley/Batley into Boyds index, the majority of marriages come up in Yorkshire. :o :D
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Thanks Sue,
We know that Richard emigrated to Australia on the Orleana in 1840 and married Priscilla whilst there and they returned to England in 1843 and their son Henry was born at sea on the way back home to England. Some of her relatives remained in Oz and we've had great help on Roots with their Australian records.
We've noticed that most Battleys hail from Norfolk/Suffolk or Yorkshire but we still haven't found the necessary connection - most frustrating!
Julia
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Found the following marriage on findmypast.
Jonas White
Sarah Batley
6th March, 1835 = Chelsea
doesn't say shes a widow though.
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Possible death
Jonas White
1838
Mar qtr.
Strand (1837-1913)
Vol: 1
Page: 409
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Hi Sue,
Those two records look really interesting and Bill has kindly offered to send for that certificate.
The Harriet marriage in 1851 census that you mentioned would have to be son Richard (b1814) and he should still have been married to Priscilla at that time but I would appreciate seeing it if it's not too much trouble.
We are still floundering to find a marriage which can be linked to Sarah and Richard in 1914 in Burnham it might well be Sarah Churchyard but how does one make progress and not just guess?
Should I be asking for look ups for other births in the years between son Richard's birth in Sep 1814 and try and see if I can work backwards with earlier births 1810-1813 soon after the wedding in 1809?
All suggestions welcome please. I do appreciate everyone's help.
Many thanks
DJ
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I can think of one possibility that might lead you to believing they might be the right couple. In 1851 it says Sarah was born in Burnham. You could see if a Sarah Churchyard baptism appears in the Burnham parish records at the approx time Sarah would have been born.
If they are the correct people, maybe Sarah went to London to work and met Richard. Perhaps she went "home" to have her baby christened. Has anyone checked Burnham parish records to see if any more children of them were baptised there.
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I can solve the Richard/Harriett mystery. In 1851 Richard appears at the bottom of one page and Harriett and the rest of her family appear on the next page. Its put in such a way as to look like they are married when they are not. Harriett and the children had Allen after their names and I thought this was perhaps a middle name. On searching 1861 the Allens are a differnt family entirely, so we can rule them out, sorry for the confusion.
:'( :'(
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Hi Sue,
Please can you tell me more about the 1851 census was Richard with wife Priscilla and daughters Amelia and Priscilla? His eldest son was with grandmother Sarah White at Covent Garden.
We've not checked the Burnham records presumably you can only do that in Essex - or is it possible on line? I keep hoping to get a few days to get down to Essex but having not checked old records before I might need a few pointers.
Thanks again
DJ
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This was the nearest I could find for 1851.
BATTLEY
Amelia - 29 - wife - born St. John Westminster, Mddx.
Amelia - 4 - born St. George, Southwark, Surrey
Priscilla - 1 - born St. John, Mddx.
HO107; Piece: 1479; Folio: 224; Page: 40;
St. John, Westminster
I don't know if Burnham is on line, but if you start a seperate thread asking for a lookup, maybe someone going to Essex Record Office, may look for you. Or if there is an LDS centre near you, you could order the films in.
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Hi Sue,
That's good to get the 1851 census confirmation, many thanks.
Talking of LDS centres - our nearest is Plymouth and early Spring I thought I'd go down and have another search having not used it since I joined Findmypast.
There were lots of builders' lorries in their car park and I thought they must be extending or something and started to wander in and was stopped by a man in a hard hat who informed me that they'd gutted the place and it should be up and running by the end of 2008! Thawarted again! But not much longer to wait now.
Thanks for your help.
DJ
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Hi Sue,
Sorry, me again, :-[ may I ask one more favour. You mentioned Richard in the 1851 census so it sounds as if he and his family are separate at the time. Could you possibly tell me where he was.
Many thanks,
Julia :)