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Hello there
Is anyone able to look at a marriage certificate at all?
I am looking for the information on marriage certificate of Peter Shoebridge and Phillidelphia Vinall in 1823. It is on Pallot's marriages.
I can order a copy from the Centre for Kentish Studies but am a bit loathe to pay the 7 pounds which is about $20 Aus (which is now doubt a fair price I may add), as I do not know if it will have any further information other than their names on it.
Can someone advise me here please
kind thoughts Jenn
p.s
I started this off in this topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,327334.0.html
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Hi Jenn
You could try contacting Tonbridge or Tunbridge Wells libraries - I'm not sure exactly which copies of registers they have :-\
http://www.kent.gov.uk/LibrariespublicUI/
Casalguidi :)
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Hello there
thanks for that link
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hi Jenn
As I was at the archives today I looked up the marriage.
PR Saint Peter and Paul Church Tonbridge
Marriage register Page 139 Entry 416
5 April 1823 married by banns
Peter Shoebridge bachelor of this parish and
Philadelphia Vinall of this parish
Peter Shoebridge signed his name
Philadelphia Vinall made her mark X
Witness names are hard to make out.
The Banns Page 228 Entry 1185
Peter Shoebridge of Prospect Row Tonbridge and
Philadelphia Vinall of Brook Street Tonbridge
Banns called
9 March 1823
16 March 1823
23 March 1823
Linda
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Hello there
Many many thanks for doing that for me words cannot not say how much I do appreciate it. I must apoliogise for not reply ing quicker but my computer has been down for the past week.
I had ummed and ahhed over whether to apply for a copy but have had much advice over that fact that probaly parents etc would not appear.
A coincidence in all of this but my birth date is actulaly the 5th April.......a bit spooky
So once again thanks and don't hesitate to ask if you need any help this side of the world.
Jenn
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Hi there -
I have a contact in Australia who told me she had seen your post looking for stuff about Philadelphia Vinall.
Firstly, I must apologise to you if you have already seen my post, I thought at first you were looking for Philadelphia Newnman under one of her married guises! Hers is the family I have searched well into the 20th century. However, since she was your Philadelphia's mother, no harm done with the back ancestry.
I don't know quite how to go about you viewing my tree. It is posted on Genes. Do you have a Genes account? If not perhaps I could send you what it is you need with regard her family. I have a few Shoebridges - namely Peter's brother & cousin Frances - in other marriages also.
I have no idea where exactly you are in your research either. If you would like to get in touch, please do so. I have only joined here to get in touch with you, so I am hoping you still need information
Regards
Suzanne
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Hello there
thanks for getting in contact with me, I have also answered you on the other thread.
Yes I do have my tree on GU
So you have my Phillidelphia Vinall in your tree?
I have Peter's brothers and sisters and back a bit mostly thanks to the amount of Shoebridge trees out there that go back
Kind thoughts Jenn
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Hi Jenn I am a Shoebridge in England, I have the Shoebridge family tree from the present day back to 1570 if you are interested,
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Hi Jenn forgot to mention Peter Shoebridge was the son of my G.Grandad ( 4 times )
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thanks Keasy for getting in touch with me
you need to do another posting before I can send you a PM
Jenn
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Hi again Jen
I understand you wanting a marriage certificate for the marriage of Philly and Peter Shoebridge. However, there were none at that time. Government records did not begin until 1837 so I am afraid you are not going to find one.
All I have is as follows:-
Firstly the marriage as echoed by Linda below
PR Saint Peter and Paul Church Tonbridge
Marriage register Page 139 Entry 416
5 April 1823 married by banns
Peter Shoebridge bachelor of this parish and
Philadelphia Vinall of this parish
Peter Shoebridge signed his name
Philadelphia Vinall made her mark X
Witness names are hard to make out.
The Banns Page 228 Entry 1185
Peter Shoebridge of Prospect Row Tonbridge and
Philadelphia Vinall of Brook Street Tonbridge
Banns called
9 March 1823
16 March 1823
23 March 1823
Secondly, my own bit of research
# There were three Philadelphia Vinalls born between 1800 and 1808 in Sussex #
(1) Philadelphia Mary Vinall baptised 23 September 1803 Buxted Sussex [*here]
Parents Alexander Vinall & Philadelphia (late Allcorn neé Newnham)
She married Peter Shoebridge son of William Shoebridge 5 April 1823 at Tonbridge
(2) Philadelphia Vinall baptised 6 November 1803 Fletching Sussex
Parents Stephen Sandals & Esther Vinall - illegitimate - 'base child'
(3) Philadelphia Vinall baptised 25 Septembr 1808 Cowfold Sussex
Parents George Vinall & Philadelphia (nee Billingsgate)
PLEASE NOTE -
# Another bogus Philadelphia Vinall has been added as 'shared information' to the IGI - Family Search Database #
This entry is incorrect. The entry says:-
Philadelphia Holmes Sandals Vinall baptised 25 September 1808
(the date of the baptism of the daughter of Philadelphia Vinall the daughter of George Vinalls & Philadelphia (nee Billingsgate))
But her parents are written as Stephen Sandals & Esther (nee Vinall).
As can be seen from the parish record above. Stephen Sandals and Esther Vinall were not married when Philadelphia was born. She was listed as a 'base' child - illegitimate - even though her father's name was included in the parish record.
The REAL Philadelphia Holmes Sandals (no Vinall) was born 14 July 1800 Fletching
Her parents were John Sandals & Elizabeth (nee Holmes)
[An entry on Ancestry has been altered to read:-
Philadelphia Holmes Sandals Sandals]
# Marriages of 2 Philadelphia Vinalls #
(1) Philadelphia Vinall married Peter Shoebridge 5 April 1823 Tonbridge Kent
(2) or (3) Another Philadelphia Vinall married Stephen Knight in Cowfold Sussex
on 13 April 1833
*Details of this Philadelphia Vinall's marriage from Ancestry Parish Records on file
Name: Philadelphia Mary Vinall
Gender: Female
Age: 19 years
Spouse's Name: Peter Shoebridge
Age: 21 years
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1823
Marriage Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England
*1841 census about Philadelphia Shoebridge
Name: Philadelphia M Shoebridge
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Gender: Female
Civil Parish: Tonbridge
Hundred: Tonbridge Lowey
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: Southboro
Occupation: .
Registration district: Tonbridge
Sub registration district: Tonbridge Wells
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Shoebridge 40
Philadelphia Shoebridge 38
Emma Shoebridge 15
Alfred Shoebridge 10
Catherine Shoebridge 7
Sophia Shoebridge 6
George Shoebridge 3
Wm Crundwell 30 (lodger)
*Details of Philadelphia Shoebridge's death cert
Name: Phildaelphia Shoebridge
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Tonbridge
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 5
Page: 597
Hope this is of some use to you.
Regards
Suzanne
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Hi Jenn Received your message if you are on GenesReunited you should be able to view my tree.
I"ve only just come on Rootschat and found it of great interest, I hope I can help you.
Keith
P.S. My name on GenesReunited is Keith Shoebridge born 1937
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Many thanks to Suzanne for such a detailed message thanks so very much
It is really appreciated.
Keith thanks for that I should be able to view your tree on GU
thanks Jenn