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Title: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 07 October 08 01:47 BST (UK)
Hello  there

Is  anyone able  to  look at a  marriage  certificate at all?

I am  looking  for the information on marriage certificate of Peter Shoebridge and Phillidelphia Vinall  in 1823. It  is on Pallot's marriages.

I  can  order a  copy  from  the Centre for  Kentish Studies but am a bit loathe to  pay  the  7 pounds  which is about $20 Aus (which is now doubt a fair price I  may add),  as  I  do  not  know  if  it  will  have any  further information  other than  their names on  it.

Can  someone advise me here please

kind  thoughts Jenn

p.s

I started  this off in  this  topic
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,327334.0.html
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: casalguidi on Tuesday 14 October 08 23:01 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn

You could try contacting Tonbridge or Tunbridge Wells libraries - I'm not sure exactly which copies of registers they have :-\

http://www.kent.gov.uk/LibrariespublicUI/

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 14 October 08 23:04 BST (UK)
Hello  there


thanks  for that  link 

kind thoughts Jenn
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: Linda_J on Friday 17 October 08 18:17 BST (UK)
Hi Jenn

As I was at the archives today I looked up the marriage.

PR Saint Peter and Paul Church Tonbridge
Marriage register Page 139 Entry 416
5 April 1823 married by banns
Peter Shoebridge bachelor of this parish and
Philadelphia Vinall of this parish
Peter Shoebridge signed his name
Philadelphia Vinall made her mark X
Witness names are hard to make out.

The Banns Page 228 Entry 1185
Peter Shoebridge of Prospect Row Tonbridge and
Philadelphia Vinall of Brook Street Tonbridge
Banns called
9 March 1823
16 March 1823
23 March 1823


Linda
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: tropicalj on Thursday 23 October 08 06:04 BST (UK)
Hello  there

Many  many  thanks  for  doing  that for  me  words cannot not say how much   I  do appreciate  it.  I  must apoliogise  for  not reply ing quicker but  my  computer has been down  for  the  past week. 

I  had  ummed and ahhed over whether to apply  for a copy but  have had much advice over  that fact  that  probaly parents etc would not appear.

A  coincidence in all  of  this but  my  birth date is  actulaly  the  5th April.......a  bit spooky

So once again  thanks  and don't hesitate  to ask  if  you  need  any  help  this  side of  the world.

Jenn
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: mostlySquire on Wednesday 31 December 08 21:08 GMT (UK)
Hi there -
I have a contact in Australia who told me she had seen your post looking for stuff about Philadelphia Vinall.

Firstly, I must apologise to you if you have already seen my post, I thought at first you were looking for Philadelphia Newnman under one of her married guises! Hers is the family I have searched well into the 20th century. However, since she was your Philadelphia's mother, no harm done with the back ancestry.

I don't know quite how to go about you viewing my tree. It is posted on Genes. Do you have a Genes account? If not perhaps I could send you what it is you need with regard her family. I have a few Shoebridges - namely Peter's brother & cousin Frances - in other marriages also.

I have no idea where exactly you are in your research either. If you would like to get in touch, please do so. I have only joined here to get in touch with you, so I am hoping you still need information

Regards
Suzanne
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Post by: tropicalj on Wednesday 31 December 08 22:12 GMT (UK)
Hello  there

thanks  for getting in contact with me, I  have also answered you on  the other thread.

Yes I  do have my  tree on GU

So  you  have my Phillidelphia Vinall in  your tree?

I  have  Peter's brothers and sisters and back a bit  mostly  thanks  to  the amount of Shoebridge trees out  there that go  back 

Kind thoughts Jenn
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: keasy on Sunday 06 January 13 22:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenn I am a Shoebridge in England, I  have  the Shoebridge family  tree from the present  day  back to 1570 if you are interested,
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: keasy on Sunday 06 January 13 22:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenn forgot to mention Peter Shoebridge was the son of my G.Grandad ( 4 times )
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 07 January 13 03:19 GMT (UK)
thanks Keasy  for getting in  touch with  me

you need to do another posting before I  can  send you a PM

Jenn
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: mostlySquire on Monday 07 January 13 10:50 GMT (UK)
Hi again Jen

I understand you wanting a marriage certificate for the marriage of Philly and Peter Shoebridge. However, there were none at that time. Government records did not begin until 1837 so I am afraid you are not going to find one.

All I have is as follows:-

Firstly the marriage as echoed by Linda below

PR Saint Peter and Paul Church Tonbridge
Marriage register Page 139 Entry 416
5 April 1823 married by banns
Peter Shoebridge bachelor of this parish and
Philadelphia Vinall of this parish
Peter Shoebridge signed his name
Philadelphia Vinall made her mark X
Witness names are hard to make out.

The Banns Page 228 Entry 1185
Peter Shoebridge of Prospect Row Tonbridge and
Philadelphia Vinall of Brook Street Tonbridge
Banns called
9 March 1823
16 March 1823
23 March 1823

Secondly, my own bit of research

# There were three Philadelphia Vinalls born between 1800 and 1808 in Sussex #

(1) Philadelphia Mary Vinall baptised 23 September 1803 Buxted Sussex [*here]
Parents Alexander Vinall & Philadelphia (late Allcorn neé Newnham)
She married Peter Shoebridge son of William Shoebridge 5 April 1823 at Tonbridge

(2) Philadelphia Vinall baptised 6 November 1803 Fletching Sussex
Parents Stephen Sandals & Esther Vinall - illegitimate -  'base child'

(3) Philadelphia Vinall baptised 25 Septembr 1808 Cowfold Sussex
Parents George Vinall & Philadelphia (nee Billingsgate)

PLEASE NOTE -
# Another bogus Philadelphia Vinall has been added as 'shared information' to the IGI - Family Search Database #
This entry is incorrect. The entry says:-
Philadelphia Holmes Sandals Vinall baptised 25 September 1808
(the date of the baptism of the daughter of Philadelphia Vinall the daughter of George Vinalls & Philadelphia (nee Billingsgate))
But her parents are written as Stephen Sandals & Esther (nee Vinall).
As can be seen from the parish record above. Stephen Sandals and Esther Vinall were not married when Philadelphia was born. She was listed as a 'base' child - illegitimate - even though her father's name was included in the parish record.

The REAL Philadelphia Holmes Sandals (no Vinall) was born 14 July 1800 Fletching
Her parents were John Sandals & Elizabeth (nee Holmes)
[An entry on Ancestry has been altered to read:-
Philadelphia Holmes Sandals Sandals]

# Marriages of 2 Philadelphia Vinalls #
(1) Philadelphia Vinall married Peter Shoebridge 5 April 1823 Tonbridge Kent
(2) or (3) Another Philadelphia Vinall married Stephen Knight in Cowfold Sussex
             on 13 April 1833

*Details of this Philadelphia Vinall's marriage from Ancestry Parish Records on file
Name: Philadelphia Mary Vinall
Gender: Female
Age: 19 years
Spouse's Name: Peter Shoebridge
Age: 21 years
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1823
Marriage Place: Tonbridge, Kent, England

*1841 census about Philadelphia Shoebridge
Name: Philadelphia M Shoebridge
Age: 38 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Gender: Female 
Civil Parish: Tonbridge 
Hundred: Tonbridge Lowey 
County/Island: Kent 
Country: England 
Street address: Southboro
Occupation: .
Registration district: Tonbridge 
Sub registration district: Tonbridge Wells 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Peter Shoebridge 40
Philadelphia Shoebridge 38 
Emma Shoebridge 15 
Alfred Shoebridge 10 
Catherine Shoebridge 7 
Sophia Shoebridge 6 
George Shoebridge 3 
Wm Crundwell 30 (lodger)

*Details of Philadelphia Shoebridge's death cert
Name: Phildaelphia Shoebridge
Year of Registration: 1849
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Tonbridge
County: Kent, Sussex
Volume: 5
Page: 597

Hope this is of some use to you.

Regards
Suzanne
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: keasy on Monday 07 January 13 14:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Jenn Received your message if you are on GenesReunited you should be able to view my tree.
I"ve only just come on Rootschat and found it of great interest, I hope I can help you.

         Keith

P.S. My name on GenesReunited is Keith Shoebridge born 1937
Title: Re: Shoebridge Marriage Please.
Post by: tropicalj on Tuesday 08 January 13 03:15 GMT (UK)
Many thanks  to  Suzanne  for such  a detailed message thanks so  very  much
It is really appreciated.

Keith  thanks  for  that  I should be able to view  your tree on  GU

thanks  Jenn