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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Timbottawa on Sunday 05 October 08 04:10 BST (UK)
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Can someone please advise on the approximate date of this photo, given the gentleman's clothing?
Thanks
Tim
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What a handsome gentleman :D Who is he ???
The gentlemen of the day had to wear those collars...it must have been a pain in the neck literally :( Maybe that's where the phrase came from ???
mab
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That's what I'm trying to establish, mab. I have been offered two possibilities - one possibility is the father, and the alternative identity is his son. If I can narrow down the date of the photo, it should be easy to establish to which generation he belongs!
Cheers
Tim
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PS ... in my school days I had to wear a wing collar. Surprisingly, you quickly got used to it, and didn't notice this hard starched band around your throat!
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Is the photo mounted in a photographers frame and if so does it give a photographers name ??? Men's fashions weren't as mobile as women's fashions so it could be anytime in a bit of a range :-\ Do you have any pics of this same gentleman with ladies ???
mab
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Let us know who he is so we can do a bit of research :)
mab
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It's all a bit complicated, mab ... the answer to your question is "yes" ... if he is the father! Here is a photo from 1909 with lots of ladies. The father appears in this photo, and he was 38 years old at the time ... the problem is, I don't know which of the men he is!!! He is one of the four gentlemen standing at the back!
So, given that in the original photo he is somewhat younger (I think) ... perhaps around his early 30's, the question is whether the original photo dates from around 1900 or around 1930. I think I know the answer, butI am no expert!
Thanks
Tim
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What a fabulous picture to have...a wedding I think......oh the ladies hats ;D
mab
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Tim, Tim, do you have the original of the second photo? What an incredibly beautiful one! Is it from Ottawa?
If you do, please scan it in colour, at 300 dpi, and post it in its own thread! I'd love to see a tidy, and especially with that nasty overhead pipe removed A little colour would be nice, too. Lovely, lovely photo.
Cheers,
China
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I would say he's the gentleman second from the left in the back row.
China...what took you so long ;D
mab
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heehee :D mab, are you refreshing the page every 30 seconds? ;D
We need some side-by-sides for comparison. For the hair, I'd say that's him too, but look at the noses...the 1st pic shows a man with a curvy, retroussé nose, but the gent in the group pic has a very straight, aquiline nose...
Off to bed now, night all :D
C
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Thanks mab, it is a fantastic photo, isn't it? I love the hats, and even the small details like the matching ladies' gloves! But it is a pity about the pipe. The wedding was in Bridlington (I don't really have any connection with Ottawa, other than having lived there for a while).
There is actually a separate thread in the Common Room at the moment concerning which brother is which, but thanks for your vote, although my own opinion is different, I think he is the first standing man from the right!
But anyway, going back to the original, isn't this photo more likely to date from 1900 than 1930?
I've scanned the wedding at 300dpi, but even after some cropping it is 770kb, which is over the limit for posting. Is there some trick I can use?
Cheers
Tim
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Don't crop, reduce. Doesn't your photo editor have a Resize function? Reduce the % of the photo until it's below 500kb, save, and post. You'll have to rename the photo slightly...adding a letter or number to the filename will do.
Really off to bed now, night.
C
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Sorry Tim ... China will look at it tomorrow .......she's the expert and I'm the novice.......I'm off to bed as well :-\
China .....I don't really necessarily agree with you re the nose ..... :P ::) I'll think about it ;D
mab
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Great, thanks China and Mab!
Oh dear ... I'm at my technological limits here ... I've compressed the photo, I hope that's the appropriate step!
Cheers
Tim
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What a super photo.Some wonderful expressions..and those hats!
My guess is this around the turn of the century about 1905.1909 ahem!
jim
PS.Didn't realise it was the 1st. one for dating.
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1909 photo taken
gentleman age 26
all the ones i looked at seem to be about this time
sylvia
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Thanks Sylvia ... so can we conclude that the photo is around the turn of the century, rather than around the 1930s, and that therefore the gentleman in the photo is almost certainly the father, rather than the son?
Cheers
Tim
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What a smashing photo. I shall look forward to seeing what happens when the lovely restorers are let loose.
Kesannah
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I have a photo of Dad and Uncle one with wing collar and one with the same collar as the chap in your photo.
My photo was taken about 1910
Kesannah
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Tim....post....colour....scan... ;D 300 dpi, resize don't compress, and not cropped. If you have trouble, email it to me as a jpg.
There is at least one mushroom hat in that photo and I want it ;D
Cheers,
China
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Just to put in my pennyworth, I see much greater similarities between the man in the original photo and the man standing between the ladies in the wedding party. Such great similarities, in fact, that I might be tempted to say that they could be one and the same man.
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Had a go at that lovely wedding photo
Terry
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That looks nice, the colour is very natural. Tim will be pleased.
I wonder if sks could remove the overhead pipe which is apparently drilling the lady on the right through her hat...it's bugging me ;D ;D ;D
Cheers,
China
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removed :D
Terry
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There are still some of those dreadful collars in my 1913 book, but they are giving way to a softer style, so not later than 1913 I would say.
You can imagine how my eyes lit up when I saw that wedding photo....
Cor watch out, I'll splash you with paint......
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Too excellent, Terry, thank you :D
Where is Tim, he's missing all the fun ;D
China
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Ladies and Gents,
Sorry for my silence - I was in Vietnam on a business trip for a few days and suffered a computer accident while there, meaning that I was out of action for some time (in case you are wondering, spilling beer over your laptop's keyboard does NOT improve its performance!).
Anyway, all is repaired now, I am back home, and I attach a colour scan at 300 dpi (compressed) of the original photo for all you Photoshop folks to play with.
MKG ... thanks for your observation - there is a thread in the Common Room entitled "Which brother is it", which poses the question as to which of the two brothers - the one standing between the ladies, or the one second from left is the same of a series of later photos of one of them. Your observation is consistent with replies posted on that thread!
All the best
Tim
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.... then the computer crashed....
Back up and running and I managed to haul this one out of the debris.... I've spent more time looking for the thread than I have on the picture, but it was nearly finished so shouldn't be long now.
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and here it is
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What a beautiful picture and what superb colouring
PaulaToo.
How on earth did you manage this and a computer crash?
The other restores are lovely. This is a superb picture anyway.
Rabbit B ;D
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Mystery to me Rabbit....but then, that's the story of my life...
Nah, had most of it done before.... had more trouble finding the thread than anything else ;D
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Well Paula,
I am very glad that you found it and I suspect that Tim will be as well!
Rabbit B ;D
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Hi Paula,
That's great! The groom (tallest man) is my great uncle. I shall forward the photo to his grand-children, who, I am sure, will be delighted.
All the best
Tim
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It's one of those photos we all wish we had the likes of, Tim.
I'm so glad I could rescue it, and finish it... and eventually find the thread to post it.
Lovely picture.
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Paula, I love what you have done with this lovely photo. I would love a photo like this.
Kesannah
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Me too Kesannah, it's superb.
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I wish I had a photo like yours,
It certainly looks Edwardian to me, c1910 would be my guess.
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Looks like the man in the individual photo is the same as the man in the group photo Second from Left. Leagen
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It certainly looks Edwardian to me, c1910 would be my guess.
It's 1909.
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Hello All,
Thanks for your continuing interest in this thread. As the thread is now quite long, I thought it would be useful to summarize the issue.
The lovely wedding photo which everyone has been purring over is not the issue! It is dated 1909. It was introduced at a later stage of the thread - the title of the thread refers to the photo in the very first posting, which is of a single gentleman, who has been identified by two different relatives as either a great uncle of mine, or that fellow's son.
Based on feedback so far, I have concluded that that photo is closer to 1900 than 1930, and therefore a photo of the father, rather than the son. There also seems to be a general opinion that he is the same person as the man standing between the ladies in the wedding photo, although a small number of posters feel that he is the man second from the left.
All the best
Tim
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Hi Tim
I just read that the wedding photo is not your issue, but as I had already coloured it, I thought I might as well post it. Teach me to read a thread more thoroughly next time :-\ ;D
Lovely wedding party, why are mine never this interesting?
Lones
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Thanks Lones, that's a great job! The wedding photo is, of course, of great interest to me, so many thanks for your efforts, but the dating of the photo is not in doubt!
Cheers
Tim