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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: Brie on Friday 03 October 08 13:13 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace back from a Malcolm Capper b c1847 in Lurgon. He was married to Ellen b. c1849 in Lurgon. They had 3 children born in Lurgon between 1871 and 1874 before moving to Liverpool sometime before 1879.
I think they will have been Protestants. Where would I have to go to find Malcolm and Ellen's marriage? And is it possible to find any registration of their births given the dates? I cannot visit myself but I wondered if there was somewhere where records are kept that I could write to.
Thanks
Brie
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Brie,
I have found two marriages
Malcolm Capper married Helen Ridgeway on 27 Jun 1869 in Armagh Church of Ireland
Malcolm Capper married Marian Lucas Thompson on 24 Dec 1873 in St. Annes Church of Ireland Belfast
The first one looks a better bet but it is Armagh and not Lurgan
Regards
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Hi Brie.
Re the info I sent you by PM, if you go onto the armagh ancestry search site
http://armagh.brsgenealogy.com it will cost you 5 euro to see the record. It may show names of their parents(usually father's only) and witnesses etc
Babs
Glad it helped ;D
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Brie,
Some more info taken from the Griffith Valuation of Armagh in 1864
Cappers William x2, Joseph x2, John x2, Abraham and David. All parish of Shankill (Lurgan area)
John and William. Parish of Seagoe
Adam C. Parish of Drumcree
John and Anne. Parish of Armagh
Regards
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Thank-you both,
Kingskerswell, it is Helen Ridgway. Aljepeka found the children of Macolm and Helen and they match my records. Helen was the last missing grand-parent of this generation so I am very pleased to have pinned her down.
Thanks again
Brie
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I have just purchased the marriage details from the site suggested by aljepeka. Malcolm's dad was Joseph Capper, a grocer and Helen's dad was William Ridgeway, a bootmaker. It looks as if Jopseph could be on of the two that Kingskerswell has found.
Thanks
Brie
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Brie,
A little more info on the earlier generation. Once again from Griffiths
Joseph Capper Townland-Tannaghmore, Lurgan, Union Street
Joseph Capper -Leghaghory
William Ridgeway -Derry, Lurgan, William Street
Regards
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hi brie,
if you want the actual certificate for malcolm and helens marriage this link will tell you what you need to know to go about getting it.
http://www.groni.gov.uk/
you mightn't learn more but its always good to get a cert if possible :)
tony
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if malcolm was born c.1847 with a joseph as father then this marriage may be worth taking note of;
joseph capper married bridget hill 14-nov-1846
waringstown church of ireland
donaghcloney parish
lurgan district
tony
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Thanks everyone. Plenty of food for thought. I think the next move is to find Malcolm's birth details/certificate to try and get his mum's first name.
Brie
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William and Rachel Capper were witnesses at my grandfather's marriage in 1885 in Lurgan Methodist Church. and my grandfather was witness at their wedding. I will PM you with an email address of someone who has a lot of info on Capper in that area. RosemaryJoan
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Brie
I have a connection to the Capper family of Armagh. My gggrandfather's sister Jane McIvor married Joseph Capper in1906 in belfast. Census returns show that joseph was born in Armagh but no exact location. He was a grocer too. I think there is some connection to your Capper family.
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Hello,
I am sorry but I seem to have missed the most recent messages.
Rosemary Joan I will follow that lead up thank-you. I just need some time to marshall all the evdience I have and work out my questions. Then I will contact the person you mention and let you know how I get on.
Liscoole, there may well be a connection. However, by 1906 the branch of Cappers I am interested in had moved to Liverpool. The head of this family was Malcolm Capper who was born in Lurgan in 1847 and who moved to Liverpool in the early 1870s. His father was Joseph Capper, a grocer (I believe in Ireland) but he will be older than your Joseph Capper (unless your Joseph married very late in life) though he could easily be a relative. I don't know at this stage whether or not Malcom had any brothers. I expect so and your Joseph could be a brother or a nephew. If I find any more about this family I will let you know.
Best wishes
Brie
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I am looking for a john capper born armagh around 1870, i have traced him in belfast on 1911 census being aged 40, but his death cert says he died 1917 aged 50. listed as rc and a widower so i would like his birth or marraige which i'm assuming was in co armagh. he had a son james born 1891 in armagh then another son john born c.1893 in belfast so he moved to belfast around this time. thanks
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mmcc,
I cannot find your 40 year old John Capper in Belfast on the 1911 census!!
Regards
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mmcc,
I cannot find your 40 year old John Capper in Belfast on the 1911 census!!
Regards
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001537962/
If this is the right one then the surname is spelt CAPPA.
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Thanks TF13, found him now. It gives another problem. I can find three possible marriages but none are Roman Catholic.
9 Apr 1887 John CAPPA married MaryHutchison in Armagh Church of Ireland
25 Dec 1882 John CAPPER married Margaret Green in High St. Mrthodist Church Lurgan
29 Nov 1890 John CAPPER married Margaret McMinn in High St. Methodist Church Lurgan.
Regards
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The name capper was commonlly spelt wrong it is listed as cappa in the 1911 census, 30 roumania street the daughter sarah is my great grandmother, i am trying to trace back john snr. he is aged 40 on the census but 50 on a his grave so he was either born 1867 or 1871. thanks for help.
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sorry just seen the other post, thanks, your right the relegion dosent match, but the original grave document john capper bought in 1897 has the address 58 penrith street (largley protestant area), when i checked the 1901 census for that address the weatherall family lived there who were born in armagh and methodist 3 of the children have the same cristian names as my cappers, possibly cousins? or i'm clutching at straws. and street directories have him living in the falls road area from 1903 on. appreciate any other help
m
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The 1887 marriage of John Cappa is available to view on Armagh Ancestry for 5 euros.
http://armagh.brsgenealogy.com/index.php
RosemaryJoan
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Mary Cappa died in 1899 (LDS Civil Index) and her burial details are on
http://www.ancestryireland.com/index.php?ai_home
According to civil index she was born in 1867.
I think it is worth a look at the marriage in Armagh Ancestry.
RosemaryJoan
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Hello
I have a Joseph Capper, born Nov 1825 inWaringstown, Donaghacloney, Down, Ireland
His father was Matthew Capper (1777 – 1851), and his brother John Capper, was a Wesleyan Methodist minister. So this line of the Capper family was Methodist / protestant which may be why you are seeing the Lurgan Methodist connection in some marriages mentioned in this thread. If you would like more info on the family, let me know (I can put in touch with a descendant of Rev John Capper)
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Hi
I read your post about the Rev John Capper, son of Mathew Capper/Catherine Carey.
I have reason to believe that John had a brother named Thomas, Born Waringstown in about 1825 or so. Any idea about how I could get hold of John Capper's decendant, in the hope of some much needed information?
Any help would be appreciated please,
Thank you
Wayne.
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Hi
I read your post about the Rev John Capper, son of Mathew Capper/Catherine Carey.
I have reason to believe that John had a brother named Thomas, Born Waringstown in about 1825 or so. Any idea about how I could get hold of John Capper's decendant, in the hope of some much needed information?
Any help would be appreciated please,
Thank you
Wayne.
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Hi
I read your post about the Rev John Capper, son of Mathew Capper/Catherine Carey.
I have reason to believe that John had a brother named Thomas, Born Waringstown in about 1825 or so. Any idea about how I could get hold of John Capper's decendant, in the hope of some much needed information?
Any help would be appreciated please,
Thank you
Wayne.
C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Capper Armagh
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m62/
other locations from list on left.......
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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Hi,
Is there anyone here who might have information about the Cappers from Waringstown, Ireland? I am trying to find out what happened to Thomas Capper b abt. 1823 in Waringstown, son of Mathew Capper and Catherine Carey. I think he may have emigrated to South Africa in the 1840's, and was a tailor most of his life, but anything to point me in the right direction would be most appreciated please? Are there any other descendants of this Capper couple I may be able to contact?
All help will be gratefully received please, and sorry for the disturbance if I am barking up the wrong tree!!
Regards
Wayne Capper
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Could this be your Thomas Capper?
Death 1900 Queenstown, Cape Province, South Africa (unfortunately parents not on form and occupation given as 'nil' likely due to his age)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2F9-6YDM
Daughters Mary Jane & Elleanor Amelia (father Thomas Capper, tailor, mother Ellen) bapt. 1862-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSH-VKNS
Daughter Isabella Ann bapt.1881-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2MKF-7P5
Possible daughter Sarah-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLYD-NF6X
Son Edward Charles Capper died 1928- wife and lots of children listed-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK2-RZQ6
There will likely be lots more information to be found online. Suggest you start a new topic on this board (SOUTH AFRICA) if you think the above could be the person you are looking for-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/south-africa/
Note: once a new thread is started I can repost these details there to avoid others having to search for the same information.
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Yes, thank you so much, you have hit the nail right on the head:- the links you provided all relate to the 'Thomas Capper' family in South Africa. I have found many documents and events in South Africa, starting in about 1850, that link them together. The 50 million dollar question though, is how to prove that this is the same 'Thomas Capper' who was born in Waringstown, and who was one of the many sons of Mathew Capper and Catherine Carey. The death record of the South African 'Thomas Capper' says he was European, and we can calculate from it that he was born in abt. 1824, which corresponds quite well to the Irish 'Thomas Capper', but after that I have become bogged down trying to prove that they are indeed the same man. I know that the 28 year "TC' married an Irish girl (Hellen Corns) in Fort Beaufort, South Africa in 1853, who's father Charles Corns was serving in the same British regiment as 'TC' (91st Argyllshire Highlanders) which helped protect British settlers from warring Xhosa tribes. But that's not really proof that TC was Irish himself, or from Waringstown. The death record of TC's son, Edward Charles Capper, says that TC was British. I am totally stuck, and I am hoping someone in this group may know what happened to the Irish 'Thomas Capper', so that I can lay this matter to rest !!
Thank you so much for your help thus far and for your valuable expertise, I am very grateful.
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Could this be your Thomas Capper?
Death 1900 Queenstown, Cape Province, South Africa (unfortunately parents not on form and occupation given as 'nil' likely due to his age)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2F9-6YDM
Daughters Mary Jane & Elleanor Amelia (father Thomas Capper, tailor, mother Ellen) bapt. 1862-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSH-VKNS
Daughter Isabella Ann bapt.1881-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2MKF-7P5
Possible daughter Sarah-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLYD-NF6X
Son Edward Charles Capper died 1928- wife and lots of children listed-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGK2-RZQ6
There will likely be lots more information to be found online. Suggest you start a new topic on this board (SOUTH AFRICA) if you think the above could be the person you are looking for-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/south-africa/
Note: once a new thread is started I can repost these details there to avoid others having to search for the same information.
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Have you found a marriage record? it might list names of his parents or some other useful detail.
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Have you found a marriage record? it might list names of his parents or some other useful detail.
Yes, I have Thomas Capper's marriage record, but there is nothing about his past history. Date was 20 Nov 1853, Thomas Capper (28), Bachelor, Tailor, married Ellen Corns (15) spinster, Fort Beaufort, South Africa. After Bahns, St Johns Presbyterian Church, in the presence of Thomas Corns and Sarah Graham.
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Hi Wayne
Did you get my message? Inbox me your email or if you are on Facebook - join the group North Armagh Family History. Look up Bev Capper - she knows the Capper family really well. If you aren't on FB, then send me your email and I can get you in touch. What I have from her shows that Thomas born 1822 is from Waringstown, she does not seem to have record of what happened to him - you are a promising lead! Anything to show your Thomas was associated with the Methodist Church?