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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: dragon266 on Friday 03 October 08 10:01 BST (UK)
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Hi all any one have any links to martins living in Nottingham have traced family back to a William Martin 1816 married to Sophia Marsh son Robert Ignatius 1839, Daughter Clara Martin 1841,Son William Martin 1845, Daughter Elizabeth Martin 1849.
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Hi dragon,
Sorry I can't help you with this thread, as I am on the other side of the world, but just to welcome you to Rootschat. Beware this is addictive .... but it is fun.
Cheers
KHP ;D
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Welcome to Roots Chat ! :)
I'm a Martin researcher myself. I've got back to 1805 with mine ! :) (Mine are all SE London & Kent, see below).
The problem you'll have is that there are so many of them. Most came over from France in the Norman invasions - Martin is the most common name in France (see the rankings table below)....
Rankings:
France: 1st most popular
Canada: 4th most popular
Australia: 9th most popular
Spain: 9th most popular (some say higher than that)
United States: 16th most popular
Argentina: 26th most popular
England & Wales: 28th most popular
Belgium: 31st most popular
Scotland: 37th most popular
So, it's quite likely that the further you manage to go back, the closer you'll get to Dover, Kent, where most of the Martins landed. Once you're in Kent, it's a case of not seeing the wood for the trees ! :-\ Most of the Martins in France are supposed to be descended from St. Martin.
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Thanks for the Information wasn't aware of where name originated from back to 1816 so far but that has took a long time as had a wall of my grandfather. Dad was only child his dad died when he was young so wasn't a source of information. Found a lot of information from other contacts its amazing how helpful every one is.
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Yes, I had much the same problem - my father's mother died when he was 6, and he had a very unhappy childhood, and he ran away from home as soon as he could. He never kept in touch with his family, and the only thing I had when I started his side of the tree was a photo of his parents (whose name I didn't know), and I vaguely recalled that he was born in Islington, North London. Unfortunately, my mother and father had both died by the time I started researching my tree.
The people here are a great bunch, and they can help you out a lot, and they don't laugh when you make blunders (and I've made some classics !) :)
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Great to hear problem I having now is trying not to spread to far as getting great results from census but tend to get carried away and have a load of info.
You had much success with your tree ? :D
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I've gone back to g. g. grandfather on the Martin side (1805), and I'm waiting for some Bromley Kent parish records to arrive at the LDS centre to try to get back some more. My g.g. grandfather and his brother were married to two sisters from Hertfordshire, and the birth place for one brother is recorded on the census as "Middlesex, London", and the other is "Plaistow, Kent" (a suburb of Bromley, now part of Greater London). The Martin males in my tree were all bricklayers and labourers, so they tended to move around a bit.
I've had rather more success with other branches, but it's very frustrating to only get back as far as 1805 in your family name :-\
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Have't ventured out of 1800's yet still using census records only fairly new on whole subject.
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Hi there Dragon,
I have a William George Martin, b1815, Lyons, France (not verified yet) married to Sophia Marsh Chr 25-Aug-1816, St Mary's, Nottingham.
Children:
William George, b abt 1835/36 (YOU SUGGEST 1845 - WE NEED TO CHECK SOURCES), Nottm, m to Emma Mills, 5 children listed. One of these, Emma Augusta, b abt 1873 married Herbert Hattersley (b Sheffield abt 1872). One of their sons, Frederick Roy Hattersley, married Enid Brackenbury and had a son Roy in 1932 (former Deputy Leader of Labour Party).
John Francis, b abt 1837, skant information.
Robert Ignatious, b 03-Aug-1839, Chr 18-Aug-1839, St Barnabas, Nottm. Married twice, Mary Ann Mann (2 sons) and Elizabeth Ann Baines (10 children).
Clara, b abt Mar-1841, Nottm. Believed to have married into Gerrard family (soapmakers).
Elizabeth, b abt 1848/49. Skant information; lodging at Narrow Marsh in 1851.
I found a William Martin in 1871 but Census said born L'pool. maybe an enumerator error if it should have been Lyons? I inherited someone else's "research" that suggested he was a lace draughtsman. BMD has a death entry 1890Q4 in Nottm, age 75, could be him. The same research suggests that William's father was b abt 1790, also in Lyons.
Robert Ignatious is my rellie. If on of the others is your rellie we probably need to swap more details.
Sherwood.
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I have Martin's from Nottingham in my family tree, although not sure if anyone can help me in this regard.
I have Mary Ann Martin, born in Nottingham abt 1830 marrying Thomas Fox at St Mary's, Nottingham, on 16 July 1854. The marriage certificate indicates her father was William Martin who was a Tailor. I have her on the 1861 census where she indicates she was born in Nottingham and her age to be 31, giving her a birth year of around 1830. Unfortunately i can find no christening records or other census records to match. She died in Mar Q 1867 in Southwell, Nottingham.
Can anyone help with any further information concerning her family or earlier records?
Thanks in advance.
TB
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Hello TB… :)
Baptism at Nottingham St Mary - 25th October 1829
MARY ANN MARTIN – father William, mother Elizabeth – fathers occupation Tailor; abode Milton St.
There are a few other baptism’s with parents as William & Elizabeth but none with abode as Milton St or occupation as Tailor.
Sheila.
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Sheila
Ever helpful as concerns my Nottingham requests! Thank-you!
Do you have a marriage date for William and Elizabeth or details of any other siblings?
I would also like to find them on the 1841 and 1851 Census.
Thanks for your assistance this is gratefully appreciated.
TB
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Not sure about a marriage for William & Elizabeth but here is a start…
1841 – H0.107/870/1/25 – Milton St, Nottingham
William Martin, aged 35, Tailor, born in county = NO
Elizabeth Martin, aged 50, born in county = NO
Mary Martin, aged 11, born in county = YES
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Thanks again Sheila
Could not find that for looking! Wonder if they are still in Milton Street in 1851 - can't see any obvious listing though.
Interesting to see that they were both not born in County - could make it difficult to trace them! Not sure how. Perhaps his trade might help - would Nottingham trade directories for the time give any pointers?
TB
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I haven’t had much success in tracking them down after the 1841 census….did find this but anyone’s guess if it is William;
This could be a red herring?
1851 – H0.107/2132/646 - 2,Cur Lane, Nottingham St Mary = (in the household of Thomas Webster)
William Martin, lodger, Un, aged 50, Tailor, born Newark, Notts.
If you would like to check the 1851 for who is on Milton St - this link is very useful and could help =
Nottingham Registration District, 1851 Census Street Index
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Nottingham_Registration_District%2C_1851_Census_Street_Index
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I haven’t had much success in tracking them down after the 1841 census….did find this but anyone’s guess if it is William;
This could be a red herring?
1851 – H0.107/2132/646 - 2,Cur Lane, Nottingham St Mary = (in the household of Thomas Webster)
William Martin, lodger, Un, aged 50, Tailor, born Newark, Notts.
If you would like to check the 1851 for who is on Milton St - this link is very useful and could help =
Nottingham Registration District, 1851 Census Street Index
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=Place:Nottingham_Registration_District%2C_1851_Census_Street_Index
I have looked at the link and it appears i need to check HO 107/2132/73-75. Cannot see any obvious Martin's there sadly.
I also note that William Martin appears to have been born in Foreign parts - is this someone else from France.......
TB
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I have just stumbled across your queries regarding the Martin family. I am a relative the great grandson of robert ignatius Martin and Elizabeth Baines so I am also connected to the Niutt,Cresswell and Murdoch families. I would be interested in exchanging info.
billsnowdon.
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Hi all any one have any links to martins living in Nottingham have traced family back to a William Martin 1816 married to Sophia Marsh son Robert Ignatius 1839, Daughter Clara Martin 1841,Son William Martin 1845, Daughter Elizabeth Martin 1849.
I have very strong links to the Martins because Robert Ignatius Martin is my great grandfather.Will gladly share information. Bill.
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Bill we have have spoke since on Genes Reunited only just found this sat in my spam folder. Thanks for all info you sent me really usefull. Been looking for more information on william martin no luck so far if anything turns up will let you know.
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Dragon, you probably already have these but here goes anyway
marriage Radford St Peter
31-12-1835
William Martin and Sophia Marsh
Baptisms Nottingham, St Barnabas R C
parents William Martin and Sophia Marsh
2-4-1837 John Francis birth 20-3-1837
18-8-1839 Robert Ignatius birth 3-8-1839
28-3-1841 Clare birth 14-3-1841 ( Mothers surname March)
There is also a baptism at Nottingham St Mary with the abode as Water Lane and father William Martin a lacemaker, no mothers name listed 10-1-1836 William George.
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28-3-1841 Clare birth 14-3-1841 ( Mothers surname March)
larkspur sorry confused by above mothers surname march whos mother clara is daughter of william and sophia
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don't be confused just a transcription error, or even a mistake in the entry, it is near enough to be the same lady.
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William George Martin (who married Sophia Marsh) is one of my direct ancestors - still trying to find out whether he was born in Lyons, France, and firm up the date of 1815. I'm decended from his son, Robert Ignatious Martin (b 03-Aug-1839). Seems to ba a strong connection with Nottingham lace industry (draughtsmen in the family).