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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Barnes75 on Tuesday 30 September 08 19:23 BST (UK)
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Hi
Could someone tell me where i will be able to find the burial records for Landican Cemetery, Birkenhead, Cheshire. Have found out that a lot of my ancestors are buried here.
Also was there a diphtheria epidemic in Birkenhead in 1921. How would i go about looking for a burial at Flaybrick Cemetery would have been in a communal (paupers) grave would there have been any records taken.
Thanks
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Hi
depending on where you are, Birkenhead library is the place to go. Landican opened 1934 and the library hold records until about 2000. Although records from 1960 do not show address. Also they have no cremation records.
The library also holds Flaybrick cemetery records. it is quite easy to search these.
I think that Cheshire record office would also hold them,,, but only ever look at them in Birkenhead library.
Maybe if you gave a name and date, someone could help you.
Mel
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Hi Barnes75,
The last time I looked at Flaybrick Cemetery records they were on microfilm at Birkenhead Central library reference section
I cannot remember whether the Landican records are there or whether they are at the cemetery itself as Landican is still in use.
At Flaybrick the burials are all in date order even if they are in a communal grave. If they are in a private grave it is easier to find out who else is in the grave.
When I have looked through the records it is a slow process.
The e-mail address of the library is:
birkenhead.ref@wirral-library.net
If they are not prepared to look through the records for you let me know and I will see what I can do.
Regards
Brian
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Hi Mel
As i live in Milton Keynes i cannot get up to Birkenhead.
The details i have are as follows:
Esther Cockerill B1917 - D1921 Buried at Flaybrick Cemetery (Communal Grave).
Edna Cockerill B1925 - D1960/1961 Buried at Landican Cemetery (Not to sure how many more relatives are buried there but am told this is where they were buried).
Thanks
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Hi all
Birkenhead Central Library does have burial records for Flaybrick and Landican. (I think Flaybrick opened about 1864). They're both on microfilm - it helps to know the religion (as the films are recorded according to date and religion.)
The records are also held at Wirral Archives - they've recently moved to the Cheshire Lines building in Canning Street Birkenhead - thought it might be useful to know.
I've enclosed the link.
http://www.wirral.gov.uk/LGCL/100009/200111/content_0002044.html
Regards
Neptune
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The records are also held at Wirral Archives - they've recently moved to the Cheshire Lines building in Canning Street Birkenhead -
But it isnt actualy in canning street ;D ;D
The entrance to the archives is at the back of the building,if you have a car thats O.K there is a car park and new signs.If you go on foot the best way in is through the gate at the side of the building,(front of) otherwise you go full circle if you follow the how to get there instructions ;D ;D
Celia
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Barnes
I see you havent had a reply to you burials yet do still want the look-up?
Celia
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Hi
As I said in the Pm this morning, I was going to the library.
I found Esther
ref 35979
Buried 26 Sept 1921 aged 4 daughter of Thomas.
Residence 99 Grange Road, Birkenhead
Public Grace section 7 no 377
Before I went to the library I looked up for the reference of Edna, but could not find one on the GRO. I looked in the C O E in Landican and she is not buried there. Maybe Non Conformist or maybe Catholic.
Maybe she has married and or died at a different date. (I searched 1959inc - 1962).
If someone can find the qtr and year, I will have another look for you.
Regards
Mel
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Been waiting for a reply from Barnes but i never got one ::)
;D ;D
Celia
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not buried there
Maybe Edna was cremated ;)
Celia
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Celia,
I can't even find a death registration for the time that Barnes said. i even checked for different spelling. So either died at a different time or was married!!!
Mel
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Mel
Barnes hasn't replied to her topic since September 30th maybe they are away ;).Or they are not getting the "You have received a reply notification ;) Best to wait for more specific information on the topic, you cant do a blind search without a religion,well you can ;D, but it's time consuming as you know ;D Question 1 where did death year information come from.Without any feedback no one can help,Its very strange there is no registration. The nearest cockerill death I found was 1950/51? but the name was different.
Anyway hope somebody finds the burial.
Celia
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Hi Celia an Mel
For some reason i haven't received any replies for this subject. I received a two pm messages yesterday and replied to one had a look at the other but have only just managed to find the very little information i have on this person. What i can say that she was born in 1925 in Birkenhead that she died D1960/1961 Buried at Landican Cemetery this information was provided from a distant relative. We have very little information for this lady cannot find a marriage for her so gathered she didn't marry. Also the person who provided the information of when she died didn't say she married. Edna was never mentioned by my grandma so i have very little information for her. Will have to have another look for her. Sorry that i have lead you both on a wild goose chase looking for Edna.
Thank you both for your kind help.
Thank you Mel for finding Esther.
I'm not sure of what faith my ancestors where but have been told all my Cockerill's that died in Birkenhead where buried at Landican Cemetery.
Thank you again for all the help provided.
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I know my Grandmother was buried in Flaybrick Cemetery in about 1925, and I understand she was in a public grave. Is Flaybrick an RC Cemetery? I ask because I have recently traced some members of my birth family as I was adopted. My newfound family swear no-one in the family back then was RC. I would appreciate some help on this one.
Thanks
Jo
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Hi Jo
Flaybrick has 3 denominations, Church of England, Catholic and Unconsecrated as does Landican, but that didnt open until 1934.
regards
Mel
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im in the same boat here. i live in aylesbury and cant get up there. ive been told that st marys churchyard in birkenhead was dug up and the bodies reinterred in landicon cemetary. i still have to check with st marys though as a blogspot site tells me there are two halls there, though the transcriptions given do not contain these graves.
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The two Hall inscriptions are on the St. Mary's Site, they were just a little hard to find.
However a new Search box has been added, which will find your surnames a lot easier now.
http://stmarysbirkenhead.blogspot.com/
Also the site contains the majority of the inscriptions for the Landican reinternments from St. Mary.
I believe the early marriages for St. Mary's will also be appearing on the site.
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thanks for the reply. as it turns out neither of these is the hall in question and it sees hers is likely to be one of those moved to landican. fingers crossed anyway :)
joel
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Can anyone help me please.i am trying to locate the grave of my great grandparents John and Ellen Devine Buried in landican.the cemetery office have given me the grave number but i have been unable to locate it maybe the gravestone has been removed it which case i would like to mark it in some way.any ideas please. i am unable to visit the cemetery in the week when the office is open
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If you cannot find the grave because there is no gravestone,
to locate it you will need a grave map which landican will/might supply you with.There might never have been a headstone or it was destroyed.It depends how old it was.Unless you can work out which way the stones go in numbers .It will hard to find without a grave map,Different cemeteries start the numbers from say 1 on the edge and go up to the middle.Others might go across.
Celia
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Hi croftsylvia & a big welcome to Rootschat
The Cemetery Office should have given you a Section number & a Grave number, you will need both.
If they did what were they? from it we can tell where about in the cemetery the grave should be.
As Celia said they might not have a stone. It's unlikely that if they did, it's been removed, if badly unsafe it would have been Laid down, or given a stake to support it.
Let us know if we can help further.
If the grave is unmarked (ie no headstone) the cemetery office should ::) if asked nicely put a marker on grave so you can find it when you visit, so try them again if you can
Regards
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The Cemetery Office should have given you a Section number & a Grave number, you will need both.
I was presuming they had ::)And theres me me always saying "Never Presume" ;D Don't forget you need the religion when looking for burials,Unless a they are in a pauper's grave.
Celia
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Thanks for all your help.the grave number i was given is 10/764c.my family tell me that there was a gravestone on the grave.Landican were kind enough to send me a map.but as you say it is difficult to work out which way the graves run and they seem to chang direction part way doen the line
sylvia.
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croftsylvia
Would you like me to have a look on my next visit?
Were they CofE?
Regards
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Hi Sylvia
Can you please post a name as I have lots of random photos taken from Landican cemetery, and I have walked around section 10 lots of times, so you might just be lucky.
Regards
Mel
edit: have seen your did post the names, sorry.
Anyway have looked at my photos and cant see one for your Devine family.
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Thank you any way.They are buried with their son-in- law Samuel walker and as he died first his would be the first name on the head stone.I have contacted the cemetery office to see if they can give me any more information and perhaps put some sort of marker on the grave.From what the family tell me Ellen Devine was an extordinary women and i would like to mark her grave in some way to show she is not forgotten
regards
Sylvia.
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Hi,
Visited the cemetery on Friday afternoon, and boy did the rain come down on me.
I was surprised by the state of section 10, I'm used to going around Flabrick cemetery, and seeing the mess but Landican should be better looked after.
As you said the numbering system seemed all over the place and I could not find the grave, but I did spend 40 minutes trying. There were a lot of graves without stones or markers to show the number, a few layed flat (inscription downwards & too heavy to lift) and quite a few sunken graves with broken stones.
Sorry not to have been more fruitful.
Regards
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thank you for looking for me.i have contacted the cemetery office but not had a reply as yet.i may need to take an afternoon of work and go to the office and ask them to show me where the grave is.
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Hello as I am currently based in the States I am struggling and wondered if someone could help I'm trying to find my great grandparent's burial place. I wouldn't think that it would be difficult to find them, but it is. My great grandfather, Samuel Kirkham died 16 Mar 1912 in Birkenhead. His address at the time was 13 Vincent Road, Liscard. His wife, Sarah Amy Kirkham died 23 July 1931, also in Birkenhead, I think they are registered under the Wirral area could anyone point me in the right direction on how I could find out please this is the last piece of the puzzle for me.
Regards Jill
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Hello Jill
Everyone living in Wirral is registered in Birkenhead head ;D,a lot of people think that where the B.M.Or death was registered, that is where they died not so :).If Samuel & Sarah lived in Liscard they are more likely to be buried in Rake Lane cemetery which is in Liscard they would have been registered in the sub district wallasey at the time.That then went to Birkenhead. Would you like me to see if they are there,If so do you know what religion they might have been.Because The religions are on there own film
Celia
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Hi Celia that is so kind of you thank you. I do believe they were C of E. Really appreciate it.
Kind regards
Jill
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Hello Jill
If I can do that tomorrow I will,if not it will be monday.
Celia
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croftsylvia
I have noticed you havent given any years of death for Ellen Devine what was it.
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Jill
I looked in Rake Lane Non.Con First ;D and C.O.E but no burial found.I had a quick look through some books and found there are 9 graves for Kirkham in the cemetery.
There were not many churches with Grave yards in the Liscard or surrounding districts,What there was have all been built over apart from a couple that i know of. The only other Main Church is the very old St Hilary In Liscard.
I have 4 pages of burial for that church but i only went to 1827,I never did get past that ;D
It is very hard trying to find burials,I have three big fat folders.I only know where my grandparents are buried (Rake lane) And thanks to my cousin Cathy My G.Grandparent.
Other than those which i am happy to have,I don't bother with them,as long as i know when they died ;D I will keep you Kirkham on file and Have a brows around the books on the rainy day. Which is most days ;D
Celia
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Thanks Celia, really appreciate all your help.
Kind regards Gill
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Celia sorry i have taken so log to reply.Ellen died 16/07/1956.I have been to Landican today and still can't locate the grave.however i must say that that part of the cemetery is in a very bad state.Headstones tipped over etc..i would value any help you can give me .I have e,mailed Landican to ask if they can mark the grave in some way not holding put much hope.The problem is that i work during the week and the office is closed at the weekend.
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Hi Sylvia
I don't know if you've had any luck finding your grave yet but I was in Landican today at a family grave so walked over to section 10(in the rain!!).I agree with everyone that the section is not very well kept and the numbering system doesn't seem to follow any sort of logic.
We were just about to give up when my other half found number 763 - then we found 766 so worked out where 764 should be. There wasn't a headstone but when we moved the long grass away there was a small black vase with the name Samuel Walker on it hidden by the grass. No wonder it was hard to find - and you wouldn't expect to find those numbers at that end of the section.
If you go - it's at the far end of section 10 - look for a big maroon coloured tree and it's directly in line with that tree.
There are two grey gravestones either side - Harold Cowderoy and Fred Codman. I have taken a photograph so you can see but can't attach it here because of the size restrictions - but could e-mail it to you.
Apologies if you have already found out the information.
Regards
Neptune
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Neptune
Thank you so much for finding the grave for me .I have been to the cemetery today and using your directions was able to find the grave.It has taken over a year to find it and now i need to tidy it up and put some sort of marker on it.Purely by coincidence i also got an e.mail from Landican today saying the would provide me with a map of that section if i called into the office.Better late than never i suppose.Again thank you for your help
regards
Sylvia
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Hello I am new to the site but would be interested to know whether I can find records of cremations at Landican. I have several relatives who were cremated there before Crematoriums were built in Chester or Wrexham. The cremations I am looking for were in the late 1950s and early 1960s.
Any information would be appreciated
Helen
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Hi Helen
Welcome to Rootschat -
I don't think that there are any records for cremations other than those held at the office in Landican cemetery - which aren't available to view.
If you ring the office with the full name of your relative and approximate date of cremation they should hopefully be able to check the records for you.
Here's the telephone number - 0151 677 2361.
Hope this helps
Regards
Neptune
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Thanh you for your help, I shall try ringing the office. Do you know if there is an E Mail address for them. Thanks
Helen
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Hi Helen
I couldn't find an e-mail address for the office at Landican but you could maybe try contacting them via this link -
http://www.wirral.gov.uk/LGCL/100003/200032/content_0000450.html
Regards
Neptune
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Thanks very much for your help.