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I'm looking for a James Walker ( born about 1850-52 ).
Thanks
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Me Again,
I still wonder if James was Illegitimate.
I found a JAMES LOW being born at Banchory Devenick,
Kincardine. 1855 to mother Elizabeth Low.
I have found the only marriage of a Elizabeth Innes Low to George Jamieson 1855 Forglen Banff.
Maybe Elizabeth had a fling with George Walker, and this romance hasn't come to marriage., but James always knew who his father was.
Even though George Jamieson raised him.
I have the same situation where my fellow was called after his mothers name, but when he grew up he dropped her surname and was always known by his father surname, even though his mother never married him. :)
Tell me what you think.
kenjo
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This is certainly possible and some good info to follow up on.
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Maybe Elizabeth went away to work and met a George down there.
And in regard to the census, you can go to your nearest Mormon Church and order in the film you need, for only $5.oo. ( I am from Australia) They fill get it in for you and you will have about 3 weeks to read it, at their centre. before they send it back, I will try and find out how many children Elizabeth has with george Jamieson. to pinpoint where she is in the census. Are you able to order the marriage cert yourself, with Scotlandspeople. 1855 is the best year for certs.. because they have a lot more on them. They say the date of birth of each, and lots more. VERY HELPFUL.
That they married in 1855.
Kenjo.
P.S. amended
George Jamieson 36 yrs married Elizabeth Innes Low24 yrs, on 8 dec 1855.
Elizabeths parents were John Low, deceased and Elizabeth George. She was from Forgue, born and usual residence.
Cobairdy. Forgue. ( in the 1841 census it is Comisty)
In 1841
Forgue,
Elizabeth Low 8yrs is at home with Elizabeth Low 45(I think)
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In the 1881 Census,The Jamiesons are living at New Deer, at Hill of Knaven.
Gorge Jamieson 65yrs born Rathen. Farmer of 35 acres
Elizabeth " 47yrs Forgue
Alexander " 12yrs New Deer
John W : 10 yrs New Deer
Helen Low 6ys Niece Rothiemay, Banff.
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These are their children I could find.
William Jamieson born 20 Mar 1857 Turriff
George " 9 Apr 1859 Turriff
Peter " 30 Nov 1866 New Deer
Alexander " 27 Feb 1869 New Deer
John Wallace " 20 Nov 1870 New Deer.
I wish there was a child born 1861, to say which census to hire. There should be more children, but I can't think of any other names to match. in the IGI.
I think you would be extremely luck, for James to still be at home in the 1871 census. So you will have to ask someone to lookup New deer , or Turriff for the family in 1861, or hire them.
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In monumental inscriptions for Forgue on stone no 106
These were all in the same plot.
Elizabeth George 28-1-1864
Elisabeth Low------------
Elsie Reid 16-2-1885
George Low 28-9-1899
Elspet Reid 25-4-1919
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Can you tell me what you read that said James Walker was from Foveran?
Amendment again...........
Found another birth.. Ann Cruckshank Jamieson, born 20/7/1862. New Deer. born to George Jamieson and Elizabeth Innes Low.
So from this I would order both Turriff and New Deer 1861 Census. I was worried that they actually went and lived in a totally different town in between the others.. Now that she has had Ann, their. they should be found in one of the 2 towns.
Tell me what you think
Regards
kenjo
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I'll have a read through this and come back to you, but at first glance it looks extremely promising. I'll probably have a look on Scotlands people as well.
The reason I say James Walker was born in Foveran is the 1901 census I looked at on Scotlands people.
No gaurantee this is correct though is there - people made mistakes and gave wrong info sometimes.
just out of interest, where did you find your info about Elizabeth Low and George Jamieson?
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Hi Shelagh2,
I just found your other messages about the Benzie family.
I have found your James Walker in the 1881 census.
and look what he says this time. ;D
1881 Drums Foveran.
James Walker 28yrs forgue
Christina " 27 Foveran
James 5 "
George 4 "
David 2 "
So this good. At least this links with his mother's home.
In regard to the Marriage of his mother .I bought the cert.
I will send it to you if you can open attachments.
I also bought the birth, but sadly it is impossible to read.
You could ask Scotlandspeople to interprete it.
The James Low on it was illegitmate, she said she was 24yrs, as she did when she married(although she is not)
She said she was from somewhere in aberdeen (i think)
but I can't make out where she was when she gave birth.
kenjo
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How stupid of me not to notice on the Benzie message that the 1881 census stated that James Walker was born in Forgue :-[
I will follow up on James Low born Forgue and check if he appears later at the same alongside James Walker.
I had previously looked for George Walker in Foveran and couldn't find one that fitted, maybe because he also was in Forgue.
Shelagh
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Firstly, I must apologize to maclennan25. I found the 1881 census, then stumbled across the messages about the Benzie family, from shelagh2 message bank. and you can't read the replies from there, sorry, maclennan25, you found all the walkers first. I didn't realise.
:-*
Now back to shelagh2
I found an interesting thing about a"George walker"in the 1881 census. There is one living at 'little haddo foveran'. with all his family. but he and his family came from and were born "BANCHORY DEVRICK, KINCARDINE."
he was 59yrs. he has an unmarried son called James, with him that was 25yrs, wouldn't it be interesting, if this George is your fellow, and your James has gone with his family to foveran, just to be near daddy, maybe your James put his age up, all his life, so not to be confused with his half brother. [and to be first in line.
THIS IS ALL HIGHLY SUSPECT, but you have to cover everything.
kenjo
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I had already spotted the George Walker at Little Haddo Farm when looking for George Walker death certificates.
George Walker died 1903, aged 88, widow Mary (formerly Findlay)
they married 1851 in Banchory Devenick !!!!
Another coincidence is that the 1901 census show a George Walker farmer retired , aged 82, on the same census page as my James Walker
Thanks for all this info and I'll do some more digging
Regards
Shelagh
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Hi,
Just to confuse you further, I have a James Walker (Grandfather), who was the illegitimate son of a George Walker. (See below)
Register of Births for the Aberdeen District of Old Marchar Parish in the County of Aberdeen
Birth Certificate details:
1: Name and Surname: James Hardie or Paterson (Illegitimate)
2: When and where born: 1896 April 21st 4h a.m. 123 Huntly Street Aberdeen
3: Sex: M
4: Name, surname and rank or profession of father: George Walker
Name, and maiden surname of mother. Date and place of marriage: Elizabeth Ann White Hardie, Widow of William Paterson Cab-Driver, who died in Aberdeen (old Marchar) 30th October 1892
5: Signature and qualification of informant, and residence, if out of the house in which the birth occurred: Elizebth A W Paterson Mother
6: When and where registered and signature of registrar: 1896 May 7th at Aberdeen Signed James Meston
Registered in the district of Peterhead
Death Certificate details:
1: Surname: Walker
Name: James
2: Sex: M
3:Occupation: Fish Buyer (retired)
4: Marital Status: Married
5: Date of birth: Year: 1896 Month: 4 Day: 21
6: Age: 84 years
7: Name(s), surname and occupation of spouse(s): (1) Elsie Jane Adams (2) Lily Finlayson or Anderson or Logan (3) Mary Barron
8: When and where died: 1981, February Eighth, 0315hrs, Cottage Hospital, Peterhead.
I'm still trying to find relatives of bothe George Walker and elizabeth Ann Hardie. Any connections I wonder?
Best regards,
Julia (Thompson)
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Hi Shelagh2,
I just found your other messages about the Benzie family.
I have found your James Walker in the 1881 census.
and look what he says this time. ;D
1881 Drums Foveran.
James Walker 28yrs forgue
Christina " 27 Foveran
James 5 "
George 4 "
David 2 "
So this good. At least this links with his mother's home.
In regard to the Marriage of his mother .I bought the cert.
I will send it to you if you can open attachments.
I also bought the birth, but sadly it is impossible to read.
You could ask Scotlandspeople to interprete it.
The James Low on it was illegitmate, she said she was 24yrs, as she did when she married(although she is not)
She said she was from somewhere in aberdeen (i think)
but I can't make out where she was when she gave birth.
kenjo
Can anybody fill me in any information on the Benzie/s family .I would like to add any information to my tree of some 17,000 names. Thanks Rick& Judy Benzies Canada
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This is all rather interesting...Kenjo, is there any way you can email the SP images to me? I'd love to have a go at reading them.
The Helen Low, 6 yrs, niece, in Jamieson 1881 household is d/o Elizabeths brother, Peter George Low and Ann Cameron.
I've been working on this Innes bunch (but got tangled up in LOWs and HARPERs):
1 John Low m Unk - 6 children
2 John LOW 1782 m Eliz GEORGE - 7 children
3 Elizabeth Innes LOW 1832 m George JAMIESON - 6 children
4 James LOW or WALKER? 1855
2 Alexander LOW 1786 m Elizabeth INNES 1799 - 5 children
3 Isabella LOW 1823 m Wm MEARNS - 13 children
Elizabeth INNES b 1799 was d/o Alexander INNES 1754 and an unk Elizabeth LOW (!!)
Elizabeths brother:
Alex INNES Jr 1800 m 1 Ann WILSON - 2 children
m 2 Margaret HARPER - 8 children
Margaret HARPER 1802 was d/o Andrew HARPER and an unk Margaret LOW (!!)
It gets even more convoluted...
I have this tree at worldconnect, search keyword: iwforgue
I'll need to update it though
cheers
Pat Innes
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Hi momnipresence,
Lovely to hear from you..
It would take me a bit to find this certificate, but if it really is important, then if you give me your address,(by personal message) then I could ask SP, to do another copy free and post it to you, because it was so hard to read.
shelagh2, have you bought the 1861c yet?
regards,
Jo
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Every image you view at SP is saved so you don't have to look for, and pay for, them again.
In the past I've had success with saving images from my viewed images folder at SP and emailing them as attachments.
My problem these days is that I must have 40 pages of searches at SP!!!
Thanks
Pat
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Hi Kenjo and Momnipresence
I have kept digging and think I've got somewhere, let me explain.
The birth certificate of James Low that Kenjo found states that his mother comes from Kincardin O Neil - so she is not the Elizabeth Low from Forgue.
(Scotlands people sent me a new copy which is readable).
I contacted ANESFHS and asked them to look for my James Walker or Low on the 1861 census with his mother Elizabeth who would by then be called Jamieson. (married 1855 to George Jamieson)
Bingo
They couldn't find any James Walker or Low with mother Elizabeth aged about 8-10, but found a James Walker McIntosh son of Elizabeth Jamieson
There is a birth for James Walker McIntosh on IGI (born 1851, christened 1852), father George McIntosh, mother Elizabeth Long. As there are no Long's on the 1841 census I assume this is a misinterpretation of Low.
Anyway I believe Elizabeth Innes Low is my great great grandmother , so Jo are we related?
Regards
Shelagh
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Hi Shelagh,
What a great adventure you have had, :P
I dan't think we are related, but it has made a great read.
Good luck,
Joanne. :D
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All the above questions have now been answered, or led to more questions. Thanks for all the help.
Regards,
Juliabibi, (the original poster)
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Hi GreatGrandaughter,
I merge your two profiles if you like so that you can access your old profile, is it shelagh2?
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi,
No,
it was juliabibi
Thanks
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I have now merged you old profile ;)
Sarah